He doesn't strike me as the type to hang around as a backup QB with a clipboard if his game ever deteriorates to that point. Assuming Belichick sticks around that long, I can't imagine any other coach having the balls to bench him.
Guessing $32M+ in signing bonus, payable "today", base salaries of $8, $6, $4 & $2M, with a roster bonus payable in 2019 of $10M or something. 4/$60M+ total package. Cap hit goes up $1M in 2016, then down over the life of the contract, with TB getting "fair" compensation, based on his recent deals and obvious lack of need to be at the top of the salary structure.His current cap hit for 2016 is $15 million($9 million in salary and $6 million in signing bonus) and it is $16 million($10 million salary and $6 million in bonus) in 2017. I wonder if they will spread these $12 million in bonus money evenly out over the now-4 years of the life of the contract which would lower the cap hits by $3 million in 2016/2017.
There's nothing about how the Patriots or Tom Brady do business that suggests this extension will have a chance of hamstringing the team. Brady doesn't need the money and the Pats didn't have to give him the extension now.Like I said - this all depends on the particulars - if it doesn't add much bonus money it may not even be a 'real' extension - it may just be a way to spread the bonus money around while he retires in 2 years, and help their cap in the meantime - or it could add a bunch more bonus money and have the chance of being an actual problem. The numbers are everything here.
Anyone have a link to the numbers? I'm not seeing them anywhere.
BBTL: Come for the news, stay for the one-liners that make me laugh in embarrassing fashion in team meetings at work.Increases his trade value.
That's interesting---I'd be surprised if they did a deal that made 2016 cap hit go up, I've been assuming the reason to do it now is to make it go down in the short term. We'll see; one nice thing about this org and how they manage the cap is that either is viable for them...this is not a situation like with Drew Brees where there's huge short-term pressures that almost necessitate some move.Guessing $32M+ in signing bonus, payable "today", base salaries of $8, $6, $4 & $2M, with a roster bonus payable in 2019 of $10M or something. 4/$60M+ total package. Cap hit goes up $1M in 2016, then down over the life of the contract, with TB getting "fair" compensation, based on his recent deals and obvious lack of need to be at the top of the salary structure.
Agreed. The reason I'm guessing this year ends up being the most expensive is that it allows extensions for Collins, Hightower, Butler & Jones to grow into the space created by giving Brady his final contract payday now.That's interesting---I'd be surprised if they did a deal that made 2016 cap hit go up, I've been assuming the reason to do it now is to make it go down in the short term. We'll see; one nice thing about this org and how they manage the cap is that either is viable for them...this is not a situation like with Drew Brees where there's huge short-term pressures that almost necessitate some move.
There's nothing about how the Patriots or Tom Brady do business that suggests this extension will have a chance of hamstringing the team. Brady doesn't need the money and the Pats didn't have to give him the extension now.
And personally, I'd rather have Tom Brady sitting around collecting checks for an extra season or two than see him leave to play for someone else before he's done.
Id be willing to bet with near certainty this is a team friendly deal given the assumption that Brady is still a good quarterback in 2018 and 2019. Im not sure how much Id bet that he is still actually a good quarterback in 2018 and 2019. Id almost never bet against Tom Brady but Id almost never bet on a 41 year old quarterback successfully leading a team through an NFL season, so no idea how to reconcile those two.There's nothing about how the Patriots or Tom Brady do business that suggests this extension will have a chance of hamstringing the team. Brady doesn't need the money and the Pats didn't have to give him the extension now.
And personally, I'd rather have Tom Brady sitting around collecting checks for an extra season or two than see him leave to play for someone else before he's done.
Wouldn't that be funny if it were possible:Is the team allowed to structure the deal such that, for example, his salary in 2016 is the minimum allowed, so if his suspension gets reinstated it wont really cost him much? I'm sure the real goal is cap space, but that would be a nice touch.
Man sometimes you guys are such Debbie downers you could suck the fun out of a blow job.Not a fan at all. Brady is still playing at a very high level, but QBs just seem to drop off a cliff when they go - and there's a not-small chance that happens before the extension even begins. (of course, how big a problem that is all depends on what the numbers are)
If you could be assured that a quarterback who will be 39 before next season begins is a lock to hold up physically, then I'd agree with you. But would even a second-round pick be enough of a return to go with a journeyman or rookie as Brady Insurance?No speculation here about what this does for Jimmy G? I know with the shadow of the 2nd circuit appeal hanging over their heads there isn't a plan in the works already but assuming things go well I think this makes it quite likely JG gets traded in the next 13 months.
They could use a couple more picks due to the picks lost from DeflategateI have no idea why they'd want to trade Jimmy G.
After the comp picks roll in, they'll have enough picks...what's irreplaceable is the first-rounder, and Jimmy G. won't fetch anything in the first 50 selections. At least he shouldn't.They could use a couple more picks due to the picks lost from Deflategate
It's already seen as a weak draft for quarterbacks. Even if your scenario was possible, what's the point of trading a QB with a couple of years training, then using that pick on someone who might be the same player?If they trade Jimmy G they could get a decent draft pick and use it to pick another backup QB who's got a good shot at being as good as Jimmy G.
That just may have been a joke. Maybe even a Ryan Mallet based joke.It's already seen as a weak draft for quarterbacks. Even if your scenario was possible, what's the point of trading a QB with a couple of years training, then using that pick on someone who might be the same player?
This much is clear: Garoppolo is not going to finish out his rookie contract in New England. Trading him now could get the Patriots the 29th or 32d pick now (at best), but would likely weaken them at an important position. Waiting it out another year could keep the Patriots strong at quarterback in 2016, and net them a bigger haul on the trade market next offseason.
So the Pats are going to trade for a top 10-20 pick and pay for the value of that pick, then have that pick just go up in smoke and then they'd get 29? Never mind the 2nd overall pick.The Patriots could recoup their 29th pick.
The Patriots don’t have a first-round pick right now, thanks to Deflategate. They lost the 29th overall pick. But their punishment states that if they have two first-rounders, they lose the higher of the picks. So if the Patriots were able to convince, say, Cleveland, Houston, or Philadelphia to give up its first-round pick for Garoppolo, the Patriots would get the 29th pick back.
Boy, I hope the $20 to $40 million signing bonuses speculated in Miguel's examples are wrong. Why would the team do that? Every one of those dollars goes against the cap for an over 40 player. I think it's unwise to bet against Brady. But putting tens of millions of dollars on the cap three years in advance for a player who will be over 40 is a very heavy bet.Id be willing to bet with near certainty this is a team friendly deal given the assumption that Brady is still a good quarterback in 2018 and 2019. Im not sure how much Id bet that he is still actually a good quarterback in 2018 and 2019. Id almost never bet against Tom Brady but Id almost never bet on a 41 year old quarterback successfully leading a team through an NFL season, so no idea how to reconcile those two.
Please clarify - Miguel's calculations with a $20M bonus show salary cap hits of roughly $13M annually. Are you calculating differently?Boy, I hope the $20 to $40 million signing bonuses speculated in Miguel's examples are wrong. Why would the team do that? Every one of those dollars goes against the cap for an over 40 player. I think it's unwise to bet against Brady. But putting tens of millions of dollars on the cap three years in advance for a player who will be over 40 is a very heavy bet.
It's pretty straightforward. Jimmy G has minimal trade value right now because he hasn't played much--the only exception being that perhaps someone who has been in the Pats organization recently believes in him from practice, etc and trades for him(this happened with Schaub and Hasselback years ago even thought they hadn't played much).. Maybe in a year he has trade value because he shows more in preseason or regular season action.I don't see how JG's value is higher if we wait another year. He'd have 1 year left on his rookie deal rather than 2 and unless he goes to the new team with a wink nod extension agreement, they'd be getting him for one year. As bad as QB play is around the league, can't imagine he'd resign with a team like Cleveland if the starting jobs in Houston, Dallas, New Orleans. Denver, Chicago, etc are in play.
Granted but scenario 2 won't apply to Jimmy in a year. He'll be no game action guy with one year left on his contract. That is worth less than present value.A rookie QB with no game action and two years on his contract is worth a lot less than a QB who's shown he can play and has a year on his contract.
We don't know if scenario 2 applies next year or not. Brady can always sprain an ankle and miss a month.Granted but scenario 2 won't apply to Jimmy in a year. He'll be no game action guy with one year left on his contract. That is worth less than present value.
And I'm not saying current value equals Cleveland's 2nd pick. He's a depreciating asset unless Brady goes down and he proves he's a competent NFL starter.
To use one of my all time favorite or unfavorite expressions, can't decide, take it for the source from whence it came.Man sometimes you guys are such Debbie downers you could suck the fun out of a blow job.