2015-16 Bruins Post Mortem

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If I was going to pin the blame for the team's performance this year on anyone or anything, it would be Sweeney. He may have been in a shit spot, but everyone knew that we needed to address the defense, and that need only for larger once Dougie was traded. Sweeney simply failed to build a defense that could contend, and that more than anything else is why the Bruins couldnt make the playoffs.
 

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He'd be giving up his contract if he did that, no? Of course he'll be hired in a cocaine heartbeat so...
what I'm saying was they would give him the option to go out without being fired because of all he did here. Either way he'd be gone is what I'm saying, this just saves face a little. Francona was let go too in this manner but we all know it was a firing technically
 

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Sure, I guess that is a possibility. I'm leaning towards them bringing him back though. I don't think they'd have him and Sweeney talking together unless he's back. I know we went through this with Chiarelli a year ago, but the difference is Chiarelli didn't have a press conference with his boss sitting next to him. Julien is.

Also re: Sweeney and the Hamilton trade. It has leaked out in the wake of the Maloney ouster in Arizona, but according to Friedman, the Bruins believed they had a Hamilton for #3 trade done at the draft last year. Maloney got cold feet. Not that it excuses the inability to address the defense for the rest of the year, but it does provide some context to the great 2016 draft day debacle.
 

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Haggs was just on T&R and was asked what's going on. "I don't really have any feel or instinct about what's going to happen." Your Bruins beat write, boys and girls!
And now he just dropped a Claude can't develop kids so maybe he isn't the one to lead a rebuild nugget.
Sigh. Why couldn't nhl have hired him and left us Amalie.
 

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Haggs was just on T&R and was asked what's going on. "I don't really have any feel or instinct about what's going to happen." Your Bruins beat write, boys and girls!
And now he just dropped a Claude can't develop kids so maybe he isn't the one to lead a rebuild nugget.
Sigh. Why couldn't nhl have hired him and left us Amalie.
On Twitter he credited Jimmy Murphy with a scoop on Claude staying. It figures that those 2 support each other.

CSNNE has good beat writers on everything but hockey. You would think they would want to have somebody close to being on par with Curran and McAdam.
 

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The cynic in me says Cam and Don probably see keeping Claude on-board as preserving someone to dump their failings on(if/when the time comes). Regardless, I'm glad to hear because I don't think there's anyone else out there that could do as well with the roster as it's currently constituted.
 

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There's also this. Grain of salt and all that: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/04/14/claude-julien-staying-boston-bruins-head-coach/

Murphy reported Wednesday night that, according to “numerous conversations” with sources close to the situation, Julien could be “safe” but team president Cam Neely “is not.” He added that, while anything is far from confirmed, he believes that Neely will “quite possibly be designated to a new role away from hockey operations.”
 

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Jimmy Murphy was on TSH this morning saying that Claude stays and Neely will be moved out of having hockey/on-ice decision authority. Interesting if true, but Jimmy Murphy gonna Jimmy Murphy.

Edit: Or what Laser Show said.
 

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Who's making the decision to move Cam out of on-ice decision making? I thought Charlie loved the guy.

I mean, I'm not unhappy about it, but it shocks me if true.
Murphy, and it can't be stressed enough how unreliable his track record is, claims Cam was called into the old man's office in Buffalo yesterday. It. Would be from all the way up top. Jeremy.

Edit: Murphy is already walking back the Cam-in-Buffalo story he told on TSH the morning. He is truly awful, I can't believe T&R gave him a platform.
 
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CSNNE has good beat writers on everything but hockey. You would think they would want to have somebody close to being on par with Curran and McAdam.
Why bother? Haggerty (with the help of his sidekick) drives clicks without the normal prerequisite of knowing anything about what he's covering.

I've gotta hand it to him, he's pulling a pretty great scam.
 

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The fact that Jimmy Murphy has a job covering hockey in a major market tells you everything that you need to know about sports media. The guy has zero credibility.
 

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Murphy, and it can't be stressed enough how unreliable his track record is, claims Cam was called into the old man's office in Buffalo yesterday. It. Would be from all the way up top. Jeremy.

Edit: Murphy is already walking back the Cam-in-Buffalo story he told on TSH the morning. He is truly awful, I can't believe T&R gave him a platform.
Amen. Him and Haggs deserve each other.
 

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It's awesome that I have more faith in Kirk from across the globe than I do in the local guys.
How can I get in on this Bruins beat gig? You either do nothing like Murph and Haggs and yet your job is safe or you work at it and get hired away by the nhl like Tappen and Benjamin.
 

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It's awesome that I have more faith in Kirk from across the globe than I do in the local guys.
How can I get in on this Bruins beat gig? You either do nothing like Murph and Haggs and yet your job is safe or you work at it and get hired away by the nhl like Tappen and Benjamin.
One of the best parts about Benjamin was that she openly hated Haggerty.
 

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It's awesome that I have more faith in Kirk from across the globe than I do in the local guys.
How can I get in on this Bruins beat gig? You either do nothing like Murph and Haggs and yet your job is safe or you work at it and get hired away by the nhl like Tappen and Benjamin.
Really there are no good Bruins beat writers to follow. I quit trying with Haggs years ago, never liked Murphy, KPD was a joke when he was on it, Benjamin is gone now. The only one I follow now is Fluto but he barely has news and cares more about what he's eating wherever he is. Is there anyone else worth following for strict Bruins news without a bunch of other crap? Can we clone Mike Reiss?
 

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Dom & Kirk are the best of what we've got right now, but they aren't really paid to be beat guys - and that speaks volumes. There's a huge vacuum right now.

I wish someone would give Mark Divver a shot, he's no-nonsense and has been really strong on the P-Bruins beat.
 

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Really there are no good Bruins beat writers to follow. I quit trying with Haggs years ago, never liked Murphy, KPD was a joke when he was on it, Benjamin is gone now. The only one I follow now is Fluto but he barely has news and cares more about what he's eating wherever he is. Is there anyone else worth following for strict Bruins news without a bunch of other crap? Can we clone Mike Reiss?
DJ Bean is pretty good if you can stand the inanity of his twitter feed. I personally like it, but can see why others wouldn't.

From a column perspective, he has the best mix of inside info, rational analysis, and advanced statistics. With Amalie gone, he's number 1 for me. Plus he goes toe to toe with Felger on CSNNE which I always appreciate.
 

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Dom & Kirk are the best of what we've got right now, but they aren't really paid to be beat guys - and that speaks volumes. There's a huge vacuum right now.

I wish someone would give Mark Divver a shot, he's no-nonsense and has been really strong on the P-Bruins beat.
Seconded. Loftus at the Patriot Ledger and Colageo at the Standard Times are also good but have no where near the access some of the others do because their papers don't pay for them to go on the road.
 

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I honestly think the entire organization is delusional about Chara's decline, including Chara himself. I'm guessing they're thinking that they can just add a few solid pieces around Chara and be fine.

They need to replace Chara and bump him down the depth chart. That would fix the defense.
 

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I don't believe they'll be doing that. From Donnie's comments there might be a tweak here and there but the core will remain the same. I'm not sure they understand the problem.
I don't expect them to come out in press conference and announce to all the agents & GM's out there that they need two top 4 defensemen, but Sweeney is a smart guy that played defense in this league for a long time, he knows what they need.
 

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*trades 3rd round pick for Zac Rinaldo.*

*SJH's head explodes*





(I'm being a dick here, I know what you mean but some of Donnie's moves have been....puzzling, to say the least.)
 

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"Smart guy."

*trades 3rd round pick for Zac Rinaldo.*

*SJH's head explodes*





(I'm being a dick here, I know what you mean but some of Donnie's moves have been....puzzling, to say the least.)
He made these moves within 3 months of getting his first GM gig - I'll give him a pass if he learns from his mistakes and does not repeat them. He's allowed a couple of mulligan's for being a newbie. Now that he has a complete season under his belt (draft, pre-season, trade deadline, etc), I expect more from him.

We'll see if he grows as a GM.
 

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I honestly think the entire organization is delusional about Chara's decline, including Chara himself. I'm guessing they're thinking that they can just add a few solid pieces around Chara and be fine.

They need to replace Chara and bump him down the depth chart. That would fix the defense.
I've been at this point all season. If both Don and Claude can come to the same conclusion, the healing can begin.
 

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*trades 3rd round pick for Zac Rinaldo.*

*SJH's head explodes*





(I'm being a dick here, I know what you mean but some of Donnie's moves have been....puzzling, to say the least.)
I actually agree with this even though you're being sarcastic. I wouldn't trust a guy who traded a three for Zac Rinaldo to sell programs. So far I see a very good return on Lucic and whole lot of junk otherwise.
 

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I feel a little better about the direction they're going after today. I think the "no major overhaul" is an open ended answer and I wouldn't read too much into it. There are probably minimal changes up front and in net, but I'd expect changes on defense.

We'll see where they are after 7/1 when things die down.

Edit: I will say that I hated Don's "if you take out the first 3 games and the last 13 games we were pretty good!!!" line. Shades of the Duke's "Spent more days in first place...." reasoning years ago.
 
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The "no major overhaul" was in regard to the franchise. They're not overhauling their coach, their player development, trading away the farm, etc. Honestly bringing in 2 defensemen isn't a "major overhaul".

My biggest issue with Sweeney's quotes are that the two main objectives for the offseason were to 1. Free up cap space and 2. Restock the farm. While they did make strides there, why not just make that the overall priority this year and do everything with an eye to that future? That means no McQuaid, no Rinaldo, increased PT for the young guys, and and admission up front they aren't going for the playoffs.

I know that's a tough pill for Bergeron, Tuukka, Chara, Krejci, et al to swallow but in hindsight, a 1 year step back would have made a huge difference going into next year rather than being where they are now.
 

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And with regards to Kevan Miller, there is no need whatsoever to bring him back. He's an epically fungible defenseman and provides no value above what others will give them. He's someone that is fine to bring up through the system as a 5/6 D man, but you don't sign 5/6 D men on the open market as UFAs unless there's no competition.

If McQuaid's here too, it's blasphemy to bring him back.
 

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Agreed. I've been a Miller defender here, but there is no room for both him and McQuaid. If Miller is signed, McQuaid needs to be traded. If McQuaid isn't signed, let Miller go. Can't have both. Clogs up the right side.
 

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Agreed. I've been a Miller defender here, but there is no room for both him and McQuaid. If Miller is signed, McQuaid needs to be traded. If McQuaid isn't signed, let Miller go. Can't have both. Clogs up the right side.
This should be the plan with KM and AM, they are redundant. They desperately need 2 top 4 D. Shattenkirk and Dumba should be prime targets.
 

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Again, though, who's taking McQuaid off our hands with that awful contract they just gave him?

They clearly like Miller. My guess is both are on the team next year.
No one is taking McQuaid off their hands which is why Miller shouldn't be re-signed.
 

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Honestly I think they might be able to find a taker for McQuaid. There are some dumb GMs out there and he has a reputation as a tough guy / enforcer / whatever. If they can dump that contract and sign Miller for a million I'll be a happy camper. Or at least happier. Happy might be a step or two beyond just that.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic. I think that's the word I'm looking for. It seems so strange.
 

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Ya, I'm ok with Miller if they can get rid of McQuaid, but not otherwise. I want a more mobile defensive RHD for that second pair with Krug.

Chara-Shattenkirk (or equivalent? Ha I know this is unlikely but it feels necessary)
Krug - Brodin
Morrow-Miller

Would be fine. It would probably cost Spooner (maybe Pasta), a bunch of picks and too many prospects we wouldn't want to lose but the D would actually be pretty decent. I just hope it doesn't leave the cupboard too bare to mount an attack from the forwards.
 

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I think you'd sub C Miller for Morrow in that lineup. Morrow's just not an NHL defenseman at this point.
 

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I'd guess it is Bergy, Marchand, Rask, Chara and Pastrnak at the NHL level.

If they are indeed taking a more patient approach, then they absolutely cannot re-sign Kevan Miller. They need that spot for kids.
 

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I'd guess it is Bergy, Marchand, Rask, Chara and Pastrnak at the NHL level.

If they are indeed taking a more patient approach, then they absolutely cannot re-sign Kevan Miller. They need that spot for kids.
Honest question here: do you consider Chara a core player because he is one or because he's likely to be the Bruins' best all-around defenseman for the remainder of his contract? I ask because, by rule, players whose age begin with a 4 aren't often considered a part of a team's core, and he's very much in a decline phase.
 

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Honest question here: do you consider Chara a core player because he is one or because he's likely to be the Bruins' best all-around defenseman for the remainder of his contract? I ask because, by rule, players whose age begin with a 4 aren't often considered a part of a team's core, and he's very much in a decline phase.
I was speaking in the context of Fluto's tweet about core players returning. I included Chara because I don't think he's going anywhere this offseason. I think next offseason is when trading Chara becomes a possibility because of his cap number dropping.

I will say that I do believe Chara was their best defenseman this year. His decline is obvious and is no longer a Norris candidate, but he still is a very good defenseman.
 

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I absolutely agree K. Miller should not be brought back with McQuaid on the roster. Not even a question to me.

With the Bruins belief on him, I have a different reaction. I think they value him, unfortunately, alarmingly more than we do. I don't just expect him to be back, I expect them to pay him $2.5-3m a year on a multi-year deal. I think they overvalue defenseman like him, and are going to be gun shy about "losing" him and "hurting their depth". I am legitimately afraid of this. Like little kids afraid of the dark stuff. It gets into my dreams. Also, I have problems.

The only hope I hold onto is that Neely drove the "tough to play against" thing that led to the Rinaldo and McQuaid deals. Now that he's under fire (and that strategy failed epically), I remain hopefulthey will move on from K. Miller. I just can't get myself to believe it.
 

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I absolutely agree K. Miller should not be brought back with McQuaid on the roster. Not even a question to me.

With the Bruins belief on him, I have a different reaction. I think they value him, unfortunately, alarmingly more than we do. I don't just expect him to be back, I expect them to pay him $2.5-3m a year on a multi-year deal. I think they overvalue defenseman like him, and are going to be gun shy about "losing" him and "hurting their depth". I am legitimately afraid of this. Like little kids afraid of the dark stuff. It gets into my dreams. Also, I have problems.

The only hope I hold onto is that Neely drove the "tough to play against" thing that led to the Rinaldo and McQuaid deals. Now that he's under fire (and that strategy failed epically), I remain hopefulthey will move on from K. Miller. I just can't get myself to believe it.
I think if they valued him that highly he would've been signed by now. He would jump at that money if they offered it to him in February. I took the Miller comments today as they like him in a 5/6/7 role and he isn't as bad as he looked trying to play top 4 minutes, and they'd bring him back at bottom pairing money.
 

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I don't believe they'll be doing that. From Donnie's comments there might be a tweak here and there but the core will remain the same. I'm not sure they understand the problem.
He's not going to stamp, "Come fuck me," on his forehead. He's going to make the other GMs read it in his eyes, the way I do every time I look at you.