I was just about to post this...should've moved to Milwaukee.
This is pretty much where I stand.People think San Diego lost in this?
They're the only people who won. They didn't sink hundreds of millions into subsidizing a billionaire owner for a product that doesn't really bring a significant amount of money to the city. California won too I guess since they also told Spanos and the NFL to fuck off an lost nothing out of it.
Chargers lose, because they move to LA where nobody wants them to play in front of a half-empty stadium and pay rent to one of their competitors.
That's not all that bad actually.San Diego: 1.3 million people in the city proper, 1 professional sports team.
New Jersey is sustaining two. Well, at least 1 1/2Why? How can LA sustain 2 teams? How is this even a possibility?
How is this Jerry Brown's fault? I don't see what he has to do with this, since state funding of sports stadiums has been illegal in CA for 40 years. Unless you're playing a very long game of blame here, since he was governor then too.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/11/nfl-san-diego-chargers-relocation-los-angelesBut that public contribution was nothing more than theoretical. Of the total, $275 million needed approval by city and county voters, and the $100 million in higher-education money from San Diego State needed the approval of Governor Jerry Brown, a staunch opponent of public subsidies for stadiums. Thus, the real funding gap was $550 million ($1.2 billion for the proposed San Diego stadium construction cost minus the $650 million from the Chargers and the NFL).
and are taking $100 deposits at fightforLA.com for people that want to get on their waiting list for both Stubhub and Kroenkeworld.Current Season Ticket Members of the Chargers will receive the first opportunity to continue their tenure with the team, and the team is going to reach out directly to current STM before the end of January. If you are a current Chargers Season Ticket Member, there is NO need to place a wait list deposit. If you have questions about this process, please contact your dedicated guest services representative at the Chargers.
Why would Brown care at all about whether the Chargers play in San Diego or LA? Does it positively effect the state to have them in SD? (Hint it doesn't), and SDSU shouldn't be paying $100M for a football stadium, certainly not to subsidize an NFL one. The Chargers moved primarily because the people of San Diego correctly realized that public funding NFL stadiums is terrible for the public and great for dudes who own the teams.Brown wouldn't commit to letting San Diego State pay for a portion of the stadium they were going to play in:
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/01/11/nfl-san-diego-chargers-relocation-los-angeles
Several writers who seem plugged in on this (Vinny Bongsignore, Cole, Joe Arrigo) have said that, more than the $175M funding, gap, it was the number of entities that needed to sign off on the "hail mary" funding plan and wouldn't commit at this late date that finally convinced Spanos to go. It would be naive to think the league and/or Spanos didn't know the Governor's actual position on allowing the CSU system to pay for a stake in the stadium before they made this decision. There is a bunch of blame to go around here, e.g I also think it is foolish for Kroenke not to pay $175M in blood money to keep the Chargers out of LA, but Govenor Moonbeem owns some of it.
You can start prepping your response for the Raiders officials move to Las Vegas thread in March, when I point out what a fool Brown's minion Libby Schaff is in Oakland and how she should just be honest about the fact that she wants the Raiders out and the A's to stay in Oakland.
Ha! We really need to be reminded of this every time we whine about a 3rd round pick selection.Already backing away from the logo:
espn: But don't expect that to become the team's new primary logo or for it to be the centerpiece of a rebranding. ESPN has been told that it's just a marketing logo to commemorate the team's relocation.
It is unbelievable that the second team in LA is the Chargers and not the Raiders. I have been in Orange County for 25 years and have met 1 Chargers fan. There are Raiders fans all around me. I agree with the voters of San Diego in their decision not to subsidize the dipshit NFL owners for their cathedrals, but I do have a brother and some family in the San Diego area. There are some great fans that love their Chargers. I remember visiting in the 80's and the town was crazy for Fouts' team. The team has been terrible and Qualcomm is a shithole. I can't blame them for not showing up consistently in recent years.They have to play the Raiders home game in London, don't they?Pissed off LA Raider fans will spend their kids college fund to get their hands on those tickets. There are already Raiders fans really excited for 2022, when we will have ten home games, with two games in Kroenkeworld.
At what point in the next 5 years will it become clear to the NFL owners how wrong they got LA simply because they hated Al Davis? They just moved two teams to LA without fan bases there essentially so they could leave the team with an established LA fan base out in the cold, or desert as the case may be.
San Diego are Jerry Brown are also idiots for letting this happen. When they lose Comicon in the next couple years, they are basically Norfolk with better weather and food. I look forward to the city negotiating with the Padres in a five years when they determine Petco needs serious upgrades to remain competitive.
EDIT: Today is also a great day to remember what a shortsighted fool post 1980 Al Davis was. He brought the Spanos family into the ownership fold in 1983. Then 11 years later he left LA for a terrible deal in Oakland because Tagliabue hurt his feelings. Now the Spanos' have his spot in America's 2nd largest market.
I'm no longer 100% convinced of this. For years the league was teflon. I don't think this move is good for the league.The NFL can't lose, even with bad moves like this.
Yeah, how will the people of San Diego manage without a football game to go to and distract them from the harsh cold winter monthsWhy would Brown care at all about whether the Chargers play in San Diego or LA? Does it positively effect the state to have them in SD? (Hint it doesn't), and SDSU shouldn't be paying $100M for a football stadium, certainly not to subsidize an NFL one. The Chargers moved primarily because the people of San Diego correctly realized that public funding NFL stadiums is terrible for the public and great for dudes who own the teams.
Even Brandt and MMQB NFL stooges at their finest admits that Spanos was looking for someone else to foot most of the bill (unprecedented NFL contribution plus huge state/local contributions).
Brown deserves not blame, but praise for his role in the Chargers not getting their huge handout.
This is my question, too -- the Rams were greeted with a yawn but okay, cool -- the Chargers are being greeted here with complete hostility. I don't care how big a market L.A. is...if the no one watches, does it matter?If you assume that the LA Chargers have 3-5 years of poor attendance, does the franchise value increase from moving to LA offset the $650M relocation fee plus lost revenue from a bad stadium situation in LA plus worse attendance?
This. I mean, say what you will about L.A. sports fans, but the loyalty to the Raiders is remarkable. They remain more popular than the Rams (by far) and I'd bet $1K that this move will galvanize more L.A. love for the Raiders in a "fuck this" sort of mode. The Raiders to L.A. was the killer business move to be had here -- the NFL...smh....
At what point in the next 5 years will it become clear to the NFL owners how wrong they got LA simply because they hated Al Davis? They just moved two teams to LA without fan bases there essentially so they could leave the team with an established LA fan base out in the cold, or desert as the case may be.
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Actually, this is the one thing I kind of like. One, it's the only way they'll sell out games and it might just be a way to build up some excitement -- with 27K loud, screaming fans (as opposed to 40K in a stadium built for 70K) there might be a way to create a good fan experience that leads to creating a fan base.The plan is to play in a stadium that holds 27,000 people for the next 2 seasons. If that doesn't scream "the people who buy tickets dont really matter," then nothing does.
I can't find the one I first saw which was from 2016, but from 2011:I doubt that. The Rams aren't popular, but there have been a cohort of die-hards and some semblance of any L.A. identity -- the Chargers not at all (I'd be curious to see that market research and who conducted it).
This Plaschke article puts it well: L.A. to Chargers: "We. Don't. Want. You."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-chargers-to-la-plaschke-20170111-story.html
Of course not. It's Tom Brady.Burning your $100 dollar Phillip Rivers jersey because the team is moving two hours north. A bit of an overreaction by Chargers fans today. I don't think Pats fans would be burning Brady jerseys if Kraft moved them to Vermont.
What if Kraft had moved them to CT before the Super Bowls?Burning your $100 dollar Phillip Rivers jersey because the team is moving two hours north. A bit of an overreaction by Chargers fans today. I don't think Pats fans would be burning Brady jerseys if Kraft moved them to Vermont.
How would our fan experience of the past 17 years be any different if they were in Hartford?What if Kraft had moved them to CT before the Super Bowls?
http://www.sportsgrid.com/real-sports/nfl/report-phillip-rivers-would-retire-rather-than-play-in-los-angeles/Wasn't there talk from Phillip Rivers last year that he wouldn't want to play in L.A. because of some hyper-pious douchebaggery? Is that still happening?
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SAN DIEGO -- After months of negotiation, Philip Rivers ultimately got what he wanted: to finish out his career with the Chargers.
The 33-year-old quarterback talked with reporters on Monday, two days after agreeing to a four-year, $83.25 million contract extension that included $65 million in guaranteed money.
Rivers said the organization's commitment to him leading the Chargers on the field over the past 11 years outweighed the uncertainty as to where the team will be located beyond this season.
"Unless something changes from [general manager Tom Telesco's] standpoint or upstairs, I'm going to be a Charger, wherever we are," Rivers said Monday.
Rivers had cited concerns over the possibility of moving his family to Los Angeles, along with improvement to the talent level on San Diego's roster, as factors in whether he would sign an extension."My lack of excitement about a potential move was more about the thought of leaving this community than it was about a disdain for L.A."
"My lack of excitement about a potential move was more about the thought of leaving this community than it was about a disdain for L.A.," Rivers said. "It's still out of our control, and nobody still knows.
"It wasn't a hatred of Los Angeles. It was more of a love of this community."
Rivers went on to say that six of his seven children were born in San Diego, and his large family still has reservations about the possibility of moving to Los Angeles. The quarterback and his wife are expecting their eighth child.
Yeah, that was a weird one. Both because of the "hyper-pious douchebaggery", as you put it, and also because of its absurdity -- I mean, it's a 2 hour drive up a highway, not like he'd be "forced" to move from Jesusville Alabama to Sodom&Gomorrah L.A. (god forbid).Wasn't there talk from Phillip Rivers last year that he wouldn't want to play in L.A. because of some hyper-pious douchebaggery? Is that still happening?
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Pretty sure the name Chargers came from the original owner, Barron Hilton, who was in the credit card biz and wanted people to become familiar with the idea of charging things on their cards (a totally new concept).Isn't a Charger a horse, though? If we're talking electricity, why not just use an iPhone plug?
Just saying Pats fans would have been much more likely to be burning shirts if not for TB12 and Belichick and the teams sustained level of success.How would our fan experience of the past 17 years be any different if they were in Hartford?
That plan also calls for using the new stadium to bring in an MLS team.If I was a chargers fan I'd love this. They get to root for a team only a couple hours away, and they don't have to pay for a stadium.
Also, SDSU is one of the parties interested in buying the 66 acres Qualcomm stadium is on, so they can build a west campus and maybe a more modest stadium for college football.
That's not a great comparison. How many people in the Boston area hate Vermont?Burning your $100 dollar Phillip Rivers jersey because the team is moving two hours north. A bit of an overreaction by Chargers fans today. I don't think Pats fans would be burning Brady jerseys if Kraft moved them to Vermont.
I think the two of you are having a parallel conversation, in the sense that neither of you disagrees with what happened, but you are looking at it from the perspective of an outsider and he's looking at it from the perspective of a Raiders fan who (because of the ripple effect) stands to get screwed.Why would Brown care at all about whether the Chargers play in San Diego or LA? Does it positively effect the state to have them in SD? (Hint it doesn't), and SDSU shouldn't be paying $100M for a football stadium, certainly not to subsidize an NFL one. The Chargers moved primarily because the people of San Diego correctly realized that public funding NFL stadiums is terrible for the public and great for dudes who own the teams.
Even Brandt and MMQB NFL stooges at their finest admits that Spanos was looking for someone else to foot most of the bill (unprecedented NFL contribution plus huge state/local contributions).
Brown deserves not blame, but praise for his role in the Chargers not getting their huge handout.
Pretty sure the name Chargers came from the original owner, Barron Hilton, who was in the credit card biz and wanted people to become familiar with the idea of charging things on their cards (a totally new concept).
Of course, Hilton himself says he liked the Charge chant with the bugle call at USC games and that's where he got the name from. So who knows?
It's been raining almost non stop for 3 days and this is after the month of December when we also had an inordinate amount of rain. Mammoth Mtn in northern CA has received over 15 feet of snow THIS month. CA is close to being out of our drought.I just saw on TV that fans are at team headquarters in San Diego throwing their jerseys in the parking lot. One thing I couldn't help but notice. It's raining.
Local radio station today is encouraging fans to bring their unwanted gear to them and they will give to the homeless. Lots of people going way overboard about this but who am I to say how they should react. I'm a Steelers fan.Burning your $100 dollar Phillip Rivers jersey because the team is moving two hours north. A bit of an overreaction by Chargers fans today. I don't think Pats fans would be burning Brady jerseys if Kraft moved them to Vermont.
Definitely. Game of Thrones is so hot right now.It's a dragon
That would be something; that was the *1960* LA Chargers' logo.Definitely. Game of Thrones is so hot right now.