Hey he just said most worthy.Especially since Seau's already in the HoF
Hey he just said most worthy.Especially since Seau's already in the HoF
The implication was clearly a player who has yet to be elected.Hey he just said most worthy.
They're different positions so not directly comparable, but Brian Dawkins was a better safety than Law was a corner.Ty Law is the best defensive back on that list, for what it's worth.
Rodney seems like he was one play short in his career.The problem with both Seymour and Wilfork is they don't have any of those memorable championship moments that seem to resonate with the committee. Of course, Rodney Harrison had like 5 picks in the playoffs with the Pats including 2 in the Super Bowl win over the Eagles, as well as a very long pick-six in the AFCCG, and he will never make it either.
So ultimately I am guessing that zero defensive players from the Pats make it.
Yikes, what happens when Borges is still the advocate when BB/TB are finalists?I agree with this as the small number (one from each NFL city and 16 at large voters) puts tremendous influence into certain individuals with strong oratory / persuasion skills. For example, Ira Kaufman of Tampa Bay has been a proponent of Buc players, and has been a successful advocate. However, the Patriots the rep is Borges...enough said.
Oh, the suspense. I WONDER what's in the spoiler?Rodney seems like he was one play short in his career.
Seymour without question.Perhaps not related to the thread, but for discussions sake: which defensive player from the Patriots that played in any year from 2001 through 2007 is most deserving of the hall of fame? I feel like there are quite a few who like Law were very good but not quite good enough for the Hall of Fame, but then again the team itself was so good.
It's a RickRoll. Don't fall for it.Oh, the suspense. I WONDER what's in the spoiler?
You're likely right about that, but the margin is not that much.They're different positions so not directly comparable, but Brian Dawkins was a better safety than Law was a corner.
Your avatar really sells the tone in this one.Oh, the suspense. I WONDER what's in the spoiler?
Which is fair, but in those six seasons he had five Pro Bowls (when they used to mean something) and three All Pros. He basically legitimized an entire franchise being a stalwart on an expansion team and had injuries do him in. Unique case and I'm not sure he deserves but he should be in the mix imho.Tony Boselli is an interesting candidate. Second time he has been a finalist. Very short career for a lineman-only six full seasons. No questions he was a dominant player, but his career overlapped with a ton of HoF tackles-Pace, Walter Jones, Gary Zimmerman, Ogden, Roaf-and his career body of work doesn't stack up with theirs. Peak was very short, like Terrell Davis (I would think that anyone who dings Davis for the length of his career has to knock Boselli as well).
I'm not sure he deserves it any more than a guy like Erik Williams (who had some off-field issues) or Richmond Webb.
36 DPOY winners, 65 post-merger defensive Hall of Famers (just guys who *played* at any point after the merger).Don't many hall of fame defensive players have at least ONE DPOY Awards? Seems to me that, while it's not a prerequisite (obviously), and while there are other criteria, none of Law, Seymour, Harrison, Wilfork have the bona fides, or enough of them, to merit inclusion in Canton, but all will be in the Patriots HOF.
Owens is one of my least favorite players ever. That said, it's ridiculous he isn't in the Hall.
Warner getting in is the best news for a Rams fan in quite a while.
No TO is stupid. Makes no sense.
Terrell Davis over Terrell Owens? What a joke.
Owens's among others didn't even make the first cut: (from 15 players to 10)... Its hard to make the MLB HOF look competent, but the NFL is doing itLynch and Owens got boned again.
http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/2850Peek inside: The Pro Football Hall of Fame selection meeting is such a long, emotional journey, you can enter with pre-conceived notions, have them changed during the course of the meeting, and then still be surprised at the final results.
And so it was on Saturday when the Class of 2017 was elected.
After 8 hours, 49 minutes of comprehensive and sometimes rancorous debate, and a total of 10 ballots, the 48 selectors left the meeting without knowing the final results. They were revealed hours later on NFL Network.
And the Class that emerged from the meat-grinder contained some surprises.
Safety Kenny Easley, the senior nominee, and Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, from the contributors category, made it through the 80 percent vote. But former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, also as a contributor, failed to reach the 80 percent threshold.
Modern era candidates who survived cutdowns from 15 finalists to 10 and then five, and then received the required 80 percent votes were: Saints and Falcons kicker Morten Andersen, Broncos running back Terrell Davis, Dolphins defensive end/linebacker Jason Taylor, Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson, and Rams and Cardinals quarterback Kurt Warner.
Eliminated on the first cut were Rams receiver Isaac Bruce, Cardinals and Chargers coach Don Coryell, Steelers guard Alan Fanaca, Redskins offensive tackle Joe Jacoby and controversial receiver Terrell Owens.
Eliminated on the second cut were Jaguars offensive tackle Tony Boselli, Eagles safety Brian Dawkins, Bucs and Broncos safety John Lynch, Patriots cornerback Ty Law, and Seahawks and Jets center Kevin Maw
This is absurd. He had 7,600 yards and 4 good-great seasons. Calvin Johnson had better be a lock.Terrell Davis over Terrell Owens? What a joke.
This is absurd. He had 7,600 yards and 4 good-great seasons. Calvin Johnson had better be a lock.
TO got boned.
Is there any QB who has been to three Super Bowls who isn't in?Warner and Davis are both apex vs longevity guys. Warner has a great story and had some really great years, but IDK if he is a hall of fame player at the expense of some other guys. Owens obviously, but also Alan Faneca, who was the 6-time All-Pro player.
Yep. Law should have got in. He was a HOF player, ask Peyton.So, Law made the Top 10. Good sign
On top of that, he has the 3 highest passing yards figures in Super Bowl history.Is there any QB who has been to three Super Bowls who isn't in?
Well, Peter King is an integral part of it, so... yeah.Something is seriously wrong with the NFL HOF process
If by integral, you mean 1 of 48 votesWell, Peter King is an integral part of it, so... yeah.
John StephensIf Terrell Davis is in, I assume Gronk clinched after the 2014 SB? Who's next, Bob Sanders?
It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Pro Bowls, right? Jacoby is about as famous as linemen get.Not that I'm treading new ground here but the NFL HOF process makes no sense. 4-time pro bowler Joe Jacoby makes the finalist cut, while 8-time pro bowler Chris Hinton does not.
Except Ron Borges is the New England voting representative. At least the last time I saw. Which was a couple years ago. So their judgement is already suspect.I think it's bullshit that TO isn't in but - fully admitting I don't know much about the NHL and NBA voting process - I think it's tough to criticize the NFL for their selection process. They admit five players a year, they keep the voting populace small and relevant and they're dealing with 2-4 times the amount for players to consider. They also don't put stupid time limits on eligibility. I'd take their way over MLB any day.
I'm assuming Peter "I'd Vote For Darren Sharper" King pulled the trigger for TO, right? Right?Well, Peter King is an integral part of it, so... yeah.