Ty Law Among 2017 HOF Finalists
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The implication was clearly a player who has yet to be elected.
I've said Wilfork is the answer to this question before, because he has the right combination of position, staying power, production and personality. Seymour is likely the better objective candidate
The problem with both Seymour and Wilfork is they don't have any of those memorable championship moments that seem to resonate with the committee. Of course, Rodney Harrison had like 5 picks in the playoffs with the Pats including 2 in the Super Bowl win over the Eagles, as well as a very long pick-six in the AFCCG, and he will never make it either.
So ultimately I am guessing that zero defensive players from the Pats make it.
So ultimately I am guessing that zero defensive players from the Pats make it.
They're different positions so not directly comparable, but Brian Dawkins was a better safety than Law was a corner.
Yikes, what happens when Borges is still the advocate when BB/TB are finalists?
They should expand the maximum number of inductees from 8 to 12. It would help clear the logjam at positions like WR and open up opportunities for special teams and contributors.
You're likely right about that, but the margin is not that much.
Ty Law also benefits from having a gigantic impact in 2 huge post-season wins for his team.
I fully admit that my Patriots beer goggles are on, I am just trying to convince myself that he should get in.
Tony Boselli is an interesting candidate. Second time he has been a finalist. Very short career for a lineman-only six full seasons. No questions he was a dominant player, but his career overlapped with a ton of HoF tackles-Pace, Walter Jones, Gary Zimmerman, Ogden, Roaf-and his career body of work doesn't stack up with theirs. Peak was very short, like Terrell Davis (I would think that anyone who dings Davis for the length of his career has to knock Boselli as well).
I'm not sure he deserves it any more than a guy like Erik Williams (who had some off-field issues) or Richmond Webb.
I'm not sure he deserves it any more than a guy like Erik Williams (who had some off-field issues) or Richmond Webb.
Which is fair, but in those six seasons he had five Pro Bowls (when they used to mean something) and three All Pros. He basically legitimized an entire franchise being a stalwart on an expansion team and had injuries do him in. Unique case and I'm not sure he deserves but he should be in the mix imho.
The comp that gets used most often for Boselli
- 5× Pro Bowl (1996–2000)
- 3× All-Pro (1997–1999)
- NFL Alumni Offensive Lineman of the Year (1998)
- NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
- 5× Pro Bowl (1983–1987)
- 5× First-team All-Pro (1983–1987)
- NFL Man of the Year (1985)
- NFL 1980s All-Decade Team
Boselli is regarded by a lot of people who know a lot more about line play than I do as maybe the best left tackle ever. Look at how often his name comes up here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/2016/book-excerpt-iview-o-line
Stephenson is an excellent comp, since he was regarded as the best center of his generation. I'd put Boselli in.
Stephenson is an excellent comp, since he was regarded as the best center of his generation. I'd put Boselli in.
Don't many hall of fame defensive players have at least ONE DPOY Awards? Seems to me that, while it's not a prerequisite (obviously), and while there are other criteria, none of Law, Seymour, Harrison, Wilfork have the bona fides, or enough of them, to merit inclusion in Canton, but all will be in the Patriots HOF.
36 DPOY winners, 65 post-merger defensive Hall of Famers (just guys who *played* at any point after the merger).
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“@TyDunne: Morten Andersen gets the Hall of Fame nod over Terrell Owens.”
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The Pro Football Hall of Fame class of 2017: RB LaDainian Tomlinson, RB Terrell Davis, QB Kurt Warner, K Morten Andersen, DE Jason Taylor
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Ben Volin @BenVolin 3m3 minutes ago
The Pro Football Hall of Fame class of 2017: RB LaDainian Tomlinson, RB Terrell Davis, QB Kurt Warner, K Morten Andersen, DE Jason Taylor
Owens is one of my least favorite players ever. That said, it's ridiculous he isn't in the Hall.
Warner getting in is the best news for a Rams fan in quite a while.
Warner getting in is the best news for a Rams fan in quite a while.
Next season both Los Angeles teams can have celebrations for Hall of Fame players that never played in the city.
Owens's among others didn't even make the first cut: (from 15 players to 10)... Its hard to make the MLB HOF look competent, but the NFL is doing it
http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/2850
This is absurd. He had 7,600 yards and 4 good-great seasons. Calvin Johnson had better be a lock.
TO got boned.
TO didn't even make the cut from 15 to 10 players. (The first cut). Something is seriously wrong with the NFL HOF process
Warner and Davis are both apex vs longevity guys. Warner has a great story and had some really great years, but IDK if he is a hall of fame player at the expense of some other guys. Owens obviously, but also Alan Faneca, who was the 6-time All-Pro player.
On top of that, he has the 3 highest passing yards figures in Super Bowl history.
And those totals came with the Rams and Cardinals, not exactly traditional powerhouses.
He had the mid-career lull because of injuries and the Giants and Cards sitting him for young QBs (Eli and Leinart), but he put up several ridiculous seasons for teams that didn't do much before or after him.
He had the mid-career lull because of injuries and the Giants and Cards sitting him for young QBs (Eli and Leinart), but he put up several ridiculous seasons for teams that didn't do much before or after him.
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If Terrell Davis is in, I assume Gronk clinched after the 2014 SB? Who's next, Bob Sanders?
The best part about this TO stuff is that Ray Lewis will get in first ballot next year. If Moss gets in, too, TO may get downright presidential on Twitter.
The best part about this TO stuff is that Ray Lewis will get in first ballot next year. If Moss gets in, too, TO may get downright presidential on Twitter.
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What about Jonas Gray? First RB in the Super Bowl era to account for more than 25% of rushing TDs in a week with at least 10 games (he scored 4/10 of the NFL's rushing TDs).
It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Pro Bowls, right? Jacoby is about as famous as linemen get.
TO not getting in is nuts.
I think it's bullshit that TO isn't in but - fully admitting I don't know much about the NHL and NBA voting process - I think it's tough to criticize the NFL for their selection process. They admit five players a year, they keep the voting populace small and relevant and they're dealing with 2-4 times the amount for players to consider. They also don't put stupid time limits on eligibility. I'd take their way over MLB any day.
Except Ron Borges is the New England voting representative. At least the last time I saw. Which was a couple years ago. So their judgement is already suspect.
I'm assuming Peter "I'd Vote For Darren Sharper" King pulled the trigger for TO, right? Right?
The TO situation just makes it more of an issue next year. He didn't make the top 10 which means he's no lock for next year. But Moss is on the ballot next year and I don't know how you separate the two. You would think they'd want to move TO in before they put Moss in.
Career Yds leaders: Rice, TO, Moss
Career TD's: Rice, Moss, TO
Career Yds leaders: Rice, TO, Moss
Career TD's: Rice, Moss, TO
TO is in the top three of all time in yards and TDs and he didn't get into the hall of fame. And he's not a Pete Rose case or a Darren Sharper case. He was just kind of a weird dude and a jerk.
It's utterly obnoxious.
It's utterly obnoxious.
And Terrell Davis had three great seasons as a running back. Three. And he had four seasons of 1,000 rushing yards or more. He played a full season twice.
TO has nine 1,000 yards or more seasons. Above 1,300 four times. 10 seasons of 9 tds or more. Davis has 3.
Laughable.
TO has nine 1,000 yards or more seasons. Above 1,300 four times. 10 seasons of 9 tds or more. Davis has 3.
Laughable.