Say it aint so, Eli

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Eli Manning had comments on this today.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19201922/new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-angrily-denies-accusations-providing-fake-game-used-memorabilia
"I've tried to do everything with class and be a stand-up citizen," Manning said. "That's what I have done and that's being attacked right now.

"I'm just more angry than anything ... having to deal with this and knowing that I did nothing wrong and [am] still being attacked."
Huh. Done nothing wrong and yet still being attacked. What's that like?
 

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That the Giants beat the Pats in those two Super Bowls is still awful, even with the glorious results in SBs 49 and 51. But that a piece of crap like Manning Lite was one of the primary authors remains particularly ghastly. I hate his face.

And why aren't those emails conclusive evidence that he was aware of and complicit in the scheme to defraud fans into believing that they were purchasing game used jerseys when what they were purchasing were not that? What am I missing?
 

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That the Giants beat the Pats in those two Super Bowls is still awful, even with the glorious results in SBs 49 and 51. But that a piece of crap like Manning Lite was one of the primary authors remains particularly ghastly. I hate his face.

And why aren't those emails conclusive evidence that he was aware of and complicit in the scheme to defraud fans into believing that they were purchasing game used jerseys when what they were purchasing were not that? What am I missing?
It truly is unbelievable that he beat us in the biggest game, twice. Literally not believable.
 

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It truly is unbelievable that he beat us in the biggest game, twice. Literally not believable.
The 2nd one just doesn't bother me. We weren't that good and he was playing very well. The first one obviously sucked for so many reasons but he gets credit for a great game when he sucked for the entire game and had the luckiest play ever on the last drive. Oh well, the last 3 years certainly helps.
 

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And why aren't those emails conclusive evidence that he was aware of and complicit in the scheme to defraud fans into believing that they were purchasing game used jerseys when what they were purchasing were not that? What am I missing?
I have a funny feeling we're going to see a fall guy scenario here. One of Eli's handlers sent the emails in question... Maybe Goodell will even stamp it with a patented "nothing to see here" if the NFL gets involved.
 

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He did play well. But they were a freaking 9-7 team. And they got so lucky
They got hot. The Manningham catch has no place being mentioned with the Tyree or Kearse catch. It was not lucky, it was a great play and should be recognized as such. There are a dozen plays in every SB win the Pat's have that can be comped to the Welker drop, that allowed our team to win but we choose to view them differently.
 

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They got hot. The Manningham catch has no place being mentioned with the Tyree or Kearse catch. It was not lucky, it was a great play and should be recognized as such. There are a dozen plays in every SB win the Pat's have that can be comped to the Welker drop, that allowed our team to win but we choose to view them differently.
Completely agree on Manningham and this has always bothered me. There was nothing lucky about it - great throw and great catch against surprisingly good coverage by the Pats. It'd be like including the Julio catch in that group if the Pats had lost SB51.

Tyree and Kearse belong in their own group. These other plays like Samuel drop, Manningham, Julio, etc. is just shit that happens during a competitive playoff football game.
 

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Completely agree on Manningham and this has always bothered me. There was nothing lucky about it - great throw and great catch against surprisingly good coverage by the Pats. It'd be like including the Julio catch in that group if the Pats had lost SB51.

Tyree and Kearse belong in their own group. These other plays like Samuel drop, Manningham, Julio, etc. is just shit that happens during a competitive playoff football game.
It's true that the Mannigham catch was a great play by the passer and the receiver. More than great, in fairness.

But there is a difference between that and the Ryan-Jones play. The latter involved two elite players. Had the Falcons won, it would have sucked badly, but at least we could placate ourselves to some degree by the fact that two of the best players at their positions in the NFL had made the key play.

Whatever the numbers say about Eli matters little to me in that I think he was then and always has been, at best, a B plus performer. And on many days he looks like a solid C. Manningham had his moments but in the end he was pretty pedestrian. Losing to such players, particularly on the heals of SB 42 and the sustained luck the Giants enjoyed on that last drive, to me was different in kind than what would have happened had Matt Ryan and Julio Jones been the authors.

Last, I'm not sure I agree about the Samuel drop. He got both hands on the ball and he had pretty good hands. To me, that was a pretty fluky play, and it was not like plays you see in every game. Again, the identity of the player colors my view.
 

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Whatever.

There ain't no great Act III without a little doubt and drama at the hands of a villain in Act II.
 

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Sorry I didn't meant to imply that the Manningham catch was lucky. Them even getting to the Super Bowl was insanely lucky given how the game in SF went. And they got pretty damn lucky that Welker dropped that pass. And pretty damn lucky that the refs called a safety on the opening play of the game, something I had never seen before or seen since.
 

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Sorry I didn't meant to imply that the Manningham catch was lucky. Them even getting to the Super Bowl was insanely lucky given how the game in SF went. And they got pretty damn lucky that Welker dropped that pass. And pretty damn lucky that the refs called a safety on the opening play of the game, something I had never seen before or seen since.
I rewatched this game when NFL Network replayed it a few months ago. They were playing good enough to win for about 2.5 quarters and then sort of slowly came apart. After the TD to Hernandez to open the 3rd, Brady completed less than 50% passes the rest of the way and the O-Line gave up 2 terrible 3rd down sacks. Trying to go deep to a hobbled Gronk on the Blackburn INT is one of Brady's worst decisions.
 

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They were talking about this on ESPN Radio this morning. I only heard it in passing though, so I'm not sure if they were playing it for laughs.
 

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The lunkhead doth protest too much, methinks.
But we do see the benefit of the Eli/Peyton coddle the reporters playbook. Look at how many of them are going to bat for Eli. Almost any criticism is heavily heavily couched if you can find it.


Then there are masterpieces like this one:

My favorite from his hometown paper is the Gary Myers article. "Eli's no A-Rod" so we should give him the benefit of the doubt. Never actually gets around to explaining what the benefit of the doubt is on the whole "game used looking" email, but just give it to him.

Eli Manning’s bottom lip was quivering and more than once it appeared he was going to cry.

He has won two Super Bowls and never shown this much passion. He has thrown game-killing interceptions and never was this angry. He has taken ferocious hits and never was this hurt.

“You know, it’s one thing to write about my football or my play,” Manning said Thursday. “When you are attacking my integrity, it definitely makes me angry.”

Manning is caught in the middle of a memorabilia fraud lawsuit. An e-mail he wrote in 2010 to Giants equipment director Joe Skiba asking him to find two helmets that can pass as game-used has gotten him convicted in many kangaroo courts of public opinion, but according to Manning, it has been taken out of context and will be clarified by new court filings.

Emotional Eli Manning denies any role in Giants fake gear scandal

Okay, so we’re used to it by now. An athlete gets accused, denies all, then is proven a liar and issues a teary apology.

But here’s the difference: Eli Manning is not Alex Rodriguez.
 

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The dumbest thing is people thinking they can absolutely tell who is and isn't lying.
 

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In a shocking turn of events Manning has accused the accuser. Anyone remember the next step in the Manning playbook?
 

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That's right, I completely forgot about that. IiRC we're about a week or two out from that step, right?
 

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Still waiting for the context to "2 helmets that can pass as game used". I'm sure Eli and his lawyers will be providing this shortly.
 

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If the pool of equipment to choose from was all game used, that would make the meaning very different. I think we'd have heard that by now if it was the case.
 

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I thought Fleischer and the Goons were separate purchases, rather than a package deal, no?

Playing the Fleischer role this time around appears to be a nameless PR firm that has bought out any writer who had an interest in putting his or her viewpoint on it. Far more effective when the public doesn't know you're there.
 

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If the pool of equipment to choose from was all game used, that would make the meaning very different. I think we'd have heard that by now if it was the case.
Would it? I though they were supposed to be from very specific games. Isn't that how the collectors realized they were fake?

If true, then I have a hard time seeing any defense of that email.
 

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None of the players involved here are choir boys, but you do have to feel for Inselberg a little bit - he's the ultimate fanboy, who managed to make a business out of his fandom.

Here's my favorite bit:


(Joe Skiba was/is the Giants' equipment manager, Eric Inselberg the collector / superfan who got the Skibas to let him buy any equipment he wanted from them when they brought it to the laundromat)

Also, is anyone surprised that Eli was still using an AOL email address in 2010? That might be the most damaging allegation made in this sordid affair.
 

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The judge agreed with his counsel's arguments that he never profited off the exchange of helmets, nor did he ever directly represent the items as game-used to consumers.
Interesting development for the equipment manager. So I can avoid prosecution if a make a fake diamond and give it to a friend whom I know is going to sell it to someone for the price of a real gem?
 

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Interesting development for the equipment manager. So I can avoid prosecution if a make a fake diamond and give it to a friend whom I know is going to sell it to someone for the price of a real gem?
As long as you don't take a cut. No one is being prosecuted, it's a civil suit. A lot harder to be civilly liable if you didn't personally participate in the fraudulent translation or profit from it.
 

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Mara is a wise guy. And a wise man.

Mara > Eli: “Get rid of this. Fraud is covered by the personal conduct policy, and we don’t need any debates on whether it needs to be criminal fraud, or just civil fraud. I don’t need to be callin’ Goodell again askin’ for anything. Just make it go away.”
 

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Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

With the case settled ...One the these guys was an employee for 40 years, and his dad worked for the Giants as well.
 

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