Make Baseball Great Again, troll.Please read into the incident. Adam Jones stated that the racial slur came from the CF bleachers. The Peanut incident was towards the Baltimore dugout.
Make Baseball Great Again, troll.Please read into the incident. Adam Jones stated that the racial slur came from the CF bleachers. The Peanut incident was towards the Baltimore dugout.
Why do they allow Yankee fans to come on this forum and be disrespectful?Make Baseball Great Again, troll.
Not just a Yankees fan, but a BLACK Yankees fan. Race card out on the table. Check it with your superior white income, education, home ownership, or employment level card. They all defeat mine.Why do they allow Yankee fans to come on this forum and be disrespectful?
Check what? Your lack of ability to make a rational argument? Time to grow up.Not just a Yankees fan, but a BLACK Yankees fan. Race card out on the table. Check it with your superior white income, education, home ownership, or employment level card. They all defeat mine.
I see. You're a racist. I really hope a lifetime ban is in order.Sorry, Mr. Charlie.
I really wanted to go to sleep, but now I have to respond to you...I see. You're a racist. I really hope a lifetime ban is in order.
I live in Lewiston, Maine and white people will call black people their nigga and no one will bat an eyelash. Context matters. You may always find it offensive. There are a shit load of people who do not.I have worked in group homes and institutions for the last 15 years and have heard the n word more times than I could possibly count. At no point was it (or is it) ever acceptable for a white person to use it. Period. Full stop.
He is a native of the Domincan Republic. In these parts African American means someone of African heritage born in the USA. This was not my idea. And I just deleted the rest of the post, because others have already addressed the issue.Wait - I don't get this. In what way is David Ortiz not an African American? His ancestry is African. He's an American. Is he somehow disqualified because his native tongue was not English? Are there new rules to this? Where's it all written down?
Agreed. It feels like these incidents are made worse and blown up more solely because of how defensive a lot of people get (certain members of the media in particular). If the general reaction to incidents like this were as the Red Sox responded (denounce the act, apologize, make no excuses, strive to be better/more vigilant in the future), perhaps the city's reputation would be better.I read an opinion last night that what really makes people think Boston is racist is not the incidents themselves, it's the way there is this loud clamor, similar to this thread, to scream about how not racist Boston is every time it's accused of being racist.
Why be defensive? Literally, what's the worst thing that's going to happen if "Boston" just says "shit, yes, we have some things to work on" and go work on them instead of "no no no just that guy, it's only that guy."
He is a native of the Domincan Republic. In these parts African American means someone of African heritage born in the USA. This was not my idea. And I just deleted the rest of the post, because others have already addressed the issue.
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2016/10/04/heres-the-street-boston-city-officials-want-to-name-after-david-ortiz
Oh, for Pete's sake. Well, hopefully, the Adam Jones incident will wake the city's street namer contingent up to the reality that this would make things worse, not better. Unless it already has happened.
The station is also named after Tom Yawkey? Is this the old Lechemere stop? (I was exiled to another part of the country decades ago.)[/QUOTE
Wait.What problem do you have with David Ortiz? He is the most dynamic Red Sox player of the past century and the leader on 3 World Series winners. More importantly, his off the field contributions to charity have been legendary. He and Pedro are responsible for breaking down barriers between the Red Sox and the Dominican Community. We're you asleep during the past 15 years? What problem do you have with the man?
This is a much more reasoned and thoughtful version of my own reaction to this thread, which, if I'm another team, I'd print out and laminate as part of my free agent pitch to guys like Betts and Bradley.I read an opinion last night that what really makes people think Boston is racist is not the incidents themselves, it's the way there is this loud clamor, similar to this thread, to scream about how not racist Boston is every time it's accused of being racist.
Why be defensive? Literally, what's the worst thing that's going to happen if "Boston" just says "shit, yes, we have some things to work on" and go work on them instead of "no no no just that guy, it's only that guy."
You know, I read this and very nearly banned you on the spot, but I think I'm going to leave it here and watch you get hoist by your own petard.That's why I said it was moot and irrelevant.
Adam Jones has spit in the face of all Bostonian's. Like I said before, he seems to be pulling the race card, again.
So peanuts were thrown at the Orioles dugout and hit a cop, but when I google Adam Jones peanuts, every article says that Jones was hit with peanuts. What's the story with this?
What the fuck is wrong with you? And why is responding to racist comments considered "pulling the race card again?" More to the point, why aren't your contributions to this thread proof positive that you are a racist piece of shit?That's why I said it was moot and irrelevant.
Adam Jones has spit in the face of all Bostonian's. Like I said before, he seems to be pulling the race card, again.
This Red Sox fan wants to make it clear that in my disdain for you, I yield to no one.Why do they allow Yankee fans to come on this forum and be disrespectful?
I was going to write something pithy, like, "You are the shittiest poster on this board", but it seems like it won't do you any good. Because, while this statement is absolutely true, there's really nothing that I or anyone else can do to convince you to be less shitty. That's something that you'll have to arrive at on your own. At this moment, the momentum is swinging in the opposite direction. So perhaps you could spare us all the tedium and fast-forward to the end part where you put up your GBCW post?I see. You're a racist. I really hope a lifetime ban is in order.
Thank you for this. I've been reading the last few pages and trying to figure out how to craft a response, and this is exactly what I have been trying to say.I read an opinion last night that what really makes people think Boston is racist is not the incidents themselves, it's the way there is this loud clamor, similar to this thread, to scream about how not racist Boston is every time it's accused of being racist.
Why be defensive? Literally, what's the worst thing that's going to happen if "Boston" just says "shit, yes, we have some things to work on" and go work on them instead of "no no no just that guy, it's only that guy."
Toucher & Rich addressed this very point for a good portion of their show this morning on The Sports Hub, they're in complete agreement. They both talked about how they were sat down by the station (which was WBCN at the time) soon after they moved here from Atlanta and were told what they could and couldn't say, topics to avoid, etc when it came to racial matters. Because while we can all agree that racial comments and jokes are unacceptable, any acknowledgment that they occur in Boston sets off this weird defensive response from a lot of people around here, and being non-Bostonians, Toucher & Rich noticed it right away. So they described this weird limbo where Boston's this supposedly enlightened, liberal town where people rightfully jump on you for saying something racist (and take pride in doing so), but if someone actually says Boston is racist, they're a liar who's besmirching the city's name.I read an opinion last night that what really makes people think Boston is racist is not the incidents themselves, it's the way there is this loud clamor, similar to this thread, to scream about how not racist Boston is every time it's accused of being racist.
Why be defensive? Literally, what's the worst thing that's going to happen if "Boston" just says "shit, yes, we have some things to work on" and go work on them instead of "no no no just that guy, it's only that guy."
I'm not sure why you're more depressed today than yesterday. The concern trolling I have seen here has come from one or two of our more dim-witted members, and one or two lurkers to whom we have shown undeserved forbearance to make a point about the power of reason and argument. And in the broader discussion, the story has shifted to the problem of racism across sports; those of us who live in New England or follow the local teams are quite rightly tending to the beam in our own eye rather than the speck in our neighbor's, but other than reporting C.C. Sabathia's remarks, Boston isn't being portrayed nationally as a unique cesspool of racism.The sheer arrogance of white folks telling a black man who says he's heard racist taunts that he couldn't have possibly heard racist taunts just infuriates me. The very act of initial skepticism contributes to the problem.
Adam Jones has zero reason to make this up. Baseball players as a whole want to ignore sideshows and concentrate on baseball. For Jones to bring it up after the game means that the situation must have been serious and ugly. Yet people rush here (and Gerry Fucking Callahan on the radio) to claim that it couldn't have possibly happened.
Yesterday we heard CC Sabathia say the only place he's been called the N-word was Boston. Local Massachusetts guy Gosder Cherilus, who went to BC and then played for the Colts, Lions and Bucs was quoted in today's Globe that when he was with Indy he was told by other players that they would hear the n-word at Foxborough, and while he was initially indignant because he was a local guy and didn't think it was true, it sure enough was, which surprised him. People really need to stop claiming that they're skeptical.
Jesus Christ. I'm more depressed about the situation today than I was yesterday.
Except for Gerry Callahan. Because of course he wouldn't believe it.Jesus Fucking Christ. Everyone has now stated that the incident happened.
Comedian Michael Che said a similar thing about two months ago and people clutched their pearls when they heard it. "Racism? In Boston? Get my fainting couch!"Yesterday we heard CC Sabathia say the only place he's been called the N-word was Boston. Local Massachusetts guy Gosder Cherilus, who went to BC and then played for the Colts, Lions and Bucs was quoted in today's Globe that when he was with Indy he was told by other players that they would hear the n-word at Foxborough, and while he was initially indignant because he was a local guy and didn't think it was true, it sure enough was, which surprised him. People really need to stop claiming that they're skeptical.
Yeah, lets stick to reasoned MENSA worthy takes like Adam Jones should be suspended for 80+ games for playing the "race card" because you didnt directly hear him called a racial slur while sitting among 30,000 people and, apparently, taking numerous bathroom breaks.Check what? Your lack of ability to make a rational argument? Time to grow up.
Boston's reputation has been in the gutter on race pretty much since the busing crisis, and people feel targeted. I remember the thread here when Barry Bonds said he could never play in Boston because it's racist, and people got all out of shape here (without remembering that his father played center field. For the Yankees.) And for good reason at times.Except for Gerry Callahan. Because of course he wouldn't believe it.
Comedian Michael Che said a similar thing about two months ago and people clutched their pearls when they heard it. "Racism? In Boston? Get my fainting couch!"
Like Smas said, why can't white people accept this and try to fix it? This is the part of the equation that makes zero sense to me. There are racists everywhere, every city has them, but only Boston reacts with such vitriol. And I think that's part of the problem.
Just a note on the vitriolic reaction. The defensiveness that Boston area residents sometimes feel when these incidents come to light is not always the fault of the residents.Except for Gerry Callahan. Because of course he wouldn't believe it.
Comedian Michael Che said a similar thing about two months ago and people clutched their pearls when they heard it. "Racism? In Boston? Get my fainting couch!"
Like Smas said, why can't white people accept this and try to fix it? This is the part of the equation that makes zero sense to me. There are racists everywhere, every city has them, but only Boston reacts with such vitriol. And I think that's part of the problem.
On the way in, I heard about five minutes of Callahan, Mutt, and Meter calling Jones a liar for a second day. It's beyond belief. They're victims, you know, because the idea that they would demand proof, that they might be skeptical, is making them seem like racists. They're not! They just are defenders of the truth, out there alone, with their tiny swords, defending the virtue of Boston.Toucher & Rich addressed this very point for a good portion of their show this morning on The Sports Hub, they're in complete agreement. They both talked about how they were sat down by the station (which was WBCN at the time) soon after they moved here from Atlanta and were told what they could and couldn't say, topics to avoid, etc when it came to racial matters. Because while we can all agree that racial comments and jokes are unacceptable, any acknowledgment that they occur in Boston sets off this weird defensive response from a lot of people around here, and being non-Bostonians, Toucher & Rich noticed it right away. So they described this weird limbo where Boston's this supposedly enlightened, liberal town where people rightfully jump on you for saying something racist (and take pride in doing so), but if someone actually says Boston is racist, they're a liar who's besmirching the city's name.
I nodded my head, as there are good number of posts here displaying the very reaction Toucher & Rich described, and yesterday afternoon I heard several callers on both EEI and TSH show the same behavior. To the point where they called Adam Jones a liar, much like our good friend BigChara33.
It's very, very strange. And it's very, very real.
+1. It is not acceptable for a white person. Ever. Even in response to a hand-written invitation, or a pained smile of tolerance from someone of color.I am still enjoying the part where people downplaying the racism switched gears to an explanation of when and where it's acceptable for white folks to use the n word.
An argument could be made that it's really not acceptable for anyone of any race to use the n word; I do know African Americans that don't really like it being used by others of their race. But I realize there's a ship there that's likely sailed. Edit: to clarify, I do agree that its use by white folk is never justified.I am still enjoying the part where people downplaying the racism switched gears to an explanation of when and where it's acceptable for white folks to use the n word.
I'll be honest, there were a handful of posts I almost replied to here but didn't want to engage on what feels more like a political thread than a conversation about race. But you are 100% right.I read an opinion last night that what really makes people think Boston is racist is not the incidents themselves, it's the way there is this loud clamor, similar to this thread, to scream about how not racist Boston is every time it's accused of being racist.
Why be defensive? Literally, what's the worst thing that's going to happen if "Boston" just says "shit, yes, we have some things to work on" and go work on them instead of "no no no just that guy, it's only that guy."
I loved that team as much as the next guy, but let's not understate things. They didn't just have "a couple of white stars." The 1986 Celtics were over 70% white in a league that was probably 70% black.Just a note on the vitriolic reaction. The defensiveness that Boston area residents sometimes feel when these incidents come to light is not always the fault of the residents.
I recall being a fan of the Celtics in the 1980's. Because the Celtics had a couple of white stars in Bird and McHale, several of the mediots of the day were all too willing to lump the Celtics with the Red Sox and the rest of the city as being one of the most racist organizations. Even Spike Lee jumped on that bandwagon for a while.
1. Fans who see this need to get involved. My preference would be that fans not start fights - just call security and they'll boot the offender. But if you hear a racial slur being used, don't back down. Call security.An honest question: what should be done at Fenway, with regards to trying to prevent these kinds of incidents, that isn't currently being done? Is this merely a matter of more security, or stiffer penalties for those caught engaging in this kind of behavior? (if someone inclined to behave in such a repugnant fashion can even be deterred from doing so), putting their considerable capital and resources behind a public information campaign? It strikes me that at a place where 3 million or so people pass through every year, and alcohol is served, it's inevitable that some morons are going to slip through the cracks. I've read a few things over the last day that seem to imply the Red Sox need to step up and do more, but I'd be interested in hearing specific ideas. As aside, the ongoing argument about whether Boston is uniquely racist is bringing out the best in almost no one. Of course the actions of a few shouldn't indict the many. Any logical adult should know that. But racism/prejudice is a sad reality of American life. Hell, of the human condition. Boston/New England is part of both. Why in gods name do some have such a hard coping with the reality that it can, and does, exist here.
What can be done is pretty much more of everything:An honest question: what should be done at Fenway, with regards to trying to prevent these kinds of incidents, that isn't currently being done? Is this merely a matter of more security, or stiffer penalties for those caught engaging in this kind of behavior? (if someone inclined to behave in such a repugnant fashion can even be deterred from doing so), putting their considerable capital and resources behind a public information campaign? It strikes me that at a place where 3 million or so people pass through every year, and alcohol is served, it's inevitable that some morons are going to slip through the cracks. I've read a few things over the last day that seem to imply the Red Sox need to step up and do more, but I'd be interested in hearing specific ideas. As aside, the ongoing argument about whether Boston is uniquely racist is bringing out the best in almost no one. Of course the actions of a few shouldn't indict the many. Any logical adult should know that. But racism/prejudice is a sad reality of American life. Hell, of the human condition. Boston/New England is part of both. Why in gods name do some have such a hard coping with the reality that it can, and does, exist here.
+1. It is not acceptable for a white person. Ever. Even in response to a hand-written invitation, or a pained smile of tolerance from someone of color.
You can't control what other people do, but you can control yourself. It should be imprinted in your DNA by now, along with several similar tropes. If it isn't, you're not trying hard enough.
Or are simply to friggin' stupid.
The need to rehash these issues in 2017 is disheartening.
Coached by one of the few black head coaches in the league at the time.I loved that team as much as the next guy, but let's not understate things. They didn't just have "a couple of white stars." The 1986 Celtics were over 70% white in a league that was probably 70% black.
http://nbahoopsonline.com/teams/BostonCeltics/History/Championship/1986.html
What happened to Adam Jones, though, isn’t only a Boston problem, and singling out Boston allows 250 million or so white Americans to let themselves off the hook for behavior with which we’re all to some degree stained. By making this a Boston issue, everyone from outside the city sidesteps our own complicity in the hundreds of years of American history that led to this moment.
It speaks volumes that someone with the predilection to shout the n-word would feel safe and secure doing so in a crowded stadium, and that we woke up the next morning most concerned with either absolving the 30,000 bystanders in the park or absolving the 250 million bystanders across the country. Sometimes hate doesn’t stop when you shout, “Stop!” Imagine how it responds when you shout, “It wasn’t me!”
Those Celtics are an interesting case study since they were so white yet were assembled by Auerbach, who was one of the pioneers who made the league integrated in the first place given his relationship with Bill Russell. Red was the last person in the world anyone could accuse of being racist.Coached by one of the few black head coaches in the league at the time.