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Some clippers news just broke here in LA. Via the LA Times and the LA Daily news:

“@BA_Turner: Clippers will announce tomorrow that they are closing in on building a stadium in Inglewood, sources.”

“@DailyNewsVinny: Arena will not be on site of #Rams project https://t.co/YHHFMwmDQP
 
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Will anything but Clippers games be held there? All major events will still go to Staples or the Forum.
That's my question as well. The pond (where the ducks play) have nunerous other events that are held there when the ducks are not playing. Clippers will need to do the same.
 

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Will anything but Clippers games be held there? All major events will still go to Staples or the Forum.
I'm not going to pretend to be an events planning expert or anything, but why wouldn't this new arena be competitive? I assume it would come down to a costs/revenue analysis. STAPLES Center has 2,000 more seats than The Forum for concert configuration. And wouldn't the introduction of a 3rd closed stadium force them all to be just a little bit more competitive with pricing? Plus, Los Angeles is a guaranteed stop on everyone's tour - sometimes even multiple nights in a row - and having multiple large events in the city on the same night is quite common (I know because I stay in touch with the music scene here). Finally, between this stadium and all of the development that'll be associated with the new Rams stadium, Inglewood is looking to be a go-to location in the not too distant future.
 

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I'm not going to pretend to be an events planning expert or anything, but why wouldn't this new arena be competitive? I assume it would come down to a costs/revenue analysis. STAPLES Center has 2,000 more seats than The Forum for concert configuration. And wouldn't the introduction of a 3rd closed stadium force them all to be just a little bit more competitive with pricing? Plus, Los Angeles is a guaranteed stop on everyone's tour - sometimes even multiple nights in a row - and having multiple large events in the city on the same night is quite common (I know because I stay in touch with the music scene here). Finally, between this stadium and all of the development that'll be associated with the new Rams stadium, Inglewood is looking to be a go-to location in the not too distant future.
they could also make money off the Olympics right?
 

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they could also make money off the Olympics right?
Possibly, but that's a one-time revenue opportunity. Also, LA has already proposed it's plans for 2024/2028 without this stadium in mind. That doesn't mean they couldn't / wouldn't adjust to take advantage of additional modern facilities though.
 

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Isn't the forum getting a little long in the tooth?
They just reopened the Forum in 2014 after a $100 million remodel. It's actually quite successful, and I doubt it's gong anywhere.

IMO, it doesn't really have a bad seat in the house either. There's something about the layout - probably just that it's older and a shade smaller. I usually hate stadium concerts, but that location is bearable.
 

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Don't have the link at moment, but Bill Simmons did podcast with Steve Ballmer and talked a lot about the motivation for a new arena. Apparently in addition to money, priority on date schedules was very important
 

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Don't have the link at moment, but Bill Simmons did podcast with Steve Ballmer and talked a lot about the motivation for a new arena. Apparently in addition to money, priority on date schedules was very important
This is the one of the reasons nobody talks about as to why the NBA playoffs dragged on with so many multiple off days. Regular season availability is relatively easy compared to the playoffs and the short notice teams have. You cannot hold all arenas hostage for dates that may never actually take place.
 

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Will anything but Clippers games be held there? All major events will still go to Staples or the Forum.
Has anyone noticed how many major events now go to Brooklyn rather than MSG? I think there will be plenty of acts who look at a new arena in Inglewood, especially if the structure and infrastructure are conducive/appealing to music acts.
 

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Has anyone noticed how many major events now go to Brooklyn rather than MSG? I think there will be plenty of acts who look at a new arena in Inglewood, especially if the structure and infrastructure are conducive/appealing to music acts.
Yup. The Prudential Center in lovely Newark is a top 10 venue as well. People will come.
 

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Has anyone noticed how many major events now go to Brooklyn rather than MSG? I think there will be plenty of acts who look at a new arena in Inglewood, especially if the structure and infrastructure are conducive/appealing to music acts.
I'm not so sure that major events are bypassing MSG for Brooklyn. There are plenty of events in NYC that both arenas flourish without holding the other one back. For example. this coming season the Big Ten and Big East Tournaments are at MSG and the ACC is again in Brooklyn.
 

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That's what she said.
Don't have the link at moment, but Bill Simmons did podcast with Steve Ballmer and talked a lot about the motivation for a new arena. Apparently in addition to money, priority on date schedules was very important
Yea, he made a big point about that. He said that they have third preference of times. And said “nobody (in the new arena) is going to have preference over us....”

He talked about having to get games scheduled going up against the Oscars and other big events because the Lakers and Kings had higher priority.
 

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I'm not so sure that major events are bypassing MSG for Brooklyn. There are plenty of events in NYC that both arenas flourish without holding the other one back. For example. this coming season the Big Ten and Big East Tournaments are at MSG and the ACC is again in Brooklyn.
The NBA Draft will be there (Barclays) not MSG, next week.
Next March, the ACC will hold its year-end B-ball tourney there.

Other upcoming events that are playing Barclays while skipping MSG:
  • Queen
  • Iron Maiden
  • Cirque De Soleil
  • WWE
  • Ed Sheeran
Some upcoming events that are playing Barclays AND MSG:
  • Paul McCartney
  • Bruno Mars
There is actually very little overlap between the two venues and neither one seems to be having any trouble filling their calendars. My guess is that a new facility in Inglewood will do just fine, without hurting The Forum or The Staples Center.
 

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My understanding is that Barclay's is significantly cheaper to book than MSG, which opens a wider range of acts that can book a shown in NY. There's certainly a possibility that the new Clippers arena could fill a similar role opposite Staples, but that might be tough with the Forum already there.
 

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The NBA Draft will be there (Barclays) not MSG, next week.
Next March, the ACC will hold its year-end B-ball tourney there.

Other upcoming events that are playing Barclays while skipping MSG:
  • Queen
  • Iron Maiden
  • Cirque De Soleil
  • WWE
  • Ed Sheeran
Some upcoming events that are playing Barclays AND MSG:
  • Paul McCartney
  • Bruno Mars
There is actually very little overlap between the two venues and neither one seems to be having any trouble filling their calendars. My guess is that a new facility in Inglewood will do just fine, without hurting The Forum or The Staples Center.
The NBA Draft hasn't been at MSG in a couple years now and this will be the 2nd year in a row the ACCT is at Barclays. MSG the same week has the Big East Tournament as they did this past season and the B1G actually pushed up their tournament a week just so they could have it at MSG.

The one area that Barclays isclearly overtaking MSG with is boxing. As of April, they had 22 boxing events since their opening while MSG has had 7 main arena ones.
 

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Speaking of the forum. They are none too pleased. And lawyers. There will be lawyers





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Fucking love it. Jerry West and Balmer throwing down his wallet in the same day. Yes sir.
 

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Has anyone noticed how many major events now go to Brooklyn rather than MSG? I think there will be plenty of acts who look at a new arena in Inglewood, especially if the structure and infrastructure are conducive/appealing to music acts.
I know when it comes to wrestling at least it is much cheaper to tape television at Barclays than at MSG. WWE will still run shows at MSG, but they won't be taped for TV or on PPV. I assume it is the same for other events.
 

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I know when it comes to wrestling at least it is much cheaper to tape television at Barclays than at MSG. WWE will still run shows at MSG, but they won't be taped for TV or on PPV. I assume it is the same for other events.
Why would one arena be more expensive to film at than any other?
 

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Why would one arena be more expensive to film at than any other?
I don't know exactly, might have to do with extra equipment needed for the same production qualities or MSG could charge more. All I know is that WWE still runs house shows at MSG but everything that is filmed takes place at Barclays.
 

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Skidmore Owings & Merrill's Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum (now the Oracle) is another mid-century beauty, and a fantastic place to see a game...



Bummed the Warriors are leaving it, but stoked that they were able to win one on their own hallowed floor before moving across the Bay.
 

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That's what she said.
The Lakers are going to be doing all they can this offseason (read that as right now) to unload the Mozgov and Deng albatross contracts.

Magic will end up giving something for him if no one else will. Indy can't let him start the season in town.
 

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You mean other than getting a full year of George's prime a year earlier? And not having to worry about clearing cap space next summer.
They don't have to worry about clearing cap space next summer anyway. I dunno, I guess I could see the Lakers parting with Clarkson and Randle because that's no real huge loss but why would Indiana bother? I guess if they want to start tanking this year. I mean, Randle is ok but that's a pretty shitty return for Paul George. Probably less of a return than the Kings got for Cousins.

I would be incredibly pissed if I see Paul George get traded for Randle and Clarkson while Jimmy Butler requires like 40 picks.
 

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They don't have to worry about clearing cap space next summer anyway. I dunno, I guess I could see the Lakers parting with Clarkson and Randle because that's no real huge loss but why would Indiana bother? I guess if they want to start tanking this year. I mean, Randle is ok but that's a pretty shitty return for Paul George. Probably less of a return than the Kings got for Cousins.

I would be incredibly pissed if I see Paul George get traded for Randle and Clarkson while Jimmy Butler requires like 40 picks.
The problem is with George saying he's going to lakers regardless, why would anyone trade anything of value for him for a year? They won't so he will get traded for next to nothing so pacers can say they at least got something.

This sucks he's so hellbent on going there though. One of my fav players and I'd much rather him on celtics than Butler personally.
 

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PG might end up being quite salty if LeBron beats him yet again by opting out next year and takes PG's slot with the LAL.
 

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I would imagine Cleveland might move Love in a GFIN deal. Paul George would make sense as a known rental. They're effed after next season anyways.
 

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I think there are a couple of easy ways they can do it. Pretty sure moving Deng and Mozgov do the trick, and if you're going to acquire LeBron and George you can attach nice pieces to those contracts to make it possible. If you're Brooklyn, for instance, and the LAL offer you Ingram but you have to take Deng and Clarkson off their books, I suspect you do it.
 

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Or more likely George gets trade there this year and LeBron joins him next year.

Ball, Russell, George, Ingram, LeBron
Exactly. It really is pretty simple especially when Aaron Mintz is the agent for George, D'Angelo Russell, and Julius Randle which makes arranging a deal go much smoother. Move a contract and some young talent to Indiana for George now, then you can easily create the space to sign LeBron next summer.
 

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More from Woj on Paul George. Wonder if the reason Danny did the Philly deal so quickly is that he wanted more picks to have in the war chest to soften the blow on a George deal.

"George hasn’t requested a trade before he can opt out of his 2018-19 contract, but did have his agent, Aaron Mintz, tell new Indiana president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard that he wanted to be forthright on his plans and spare the franchise any confusion about his intentions, league sources told The Vertical.

In the past 24 hours, Pritchard has become more aggressive in pursuing trades for George, league sources told The Vertical. Pritchard has yet to show an inclination to engage the Lakers, but has discussed deals with several teams – including Cleveland – in which the expectation of teams would be that George is a “one-year rental.” It is unclear how robust those offers to Indiana will ultimately be, given that teams believe he will sign with the Lakers next summer. So far, Indiana is asking for a substantial package of talent and draft picks for George, league sources said. Discussions could extend until Thursday’s NBA draft – or beyond."


https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-paul-george-tells-pacers-plans-leave-franchise-prefers-joining-lakers-191520531.html
 

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I can take George being a one-year rental in Cleveland if it means the Lakers win fewer games
 

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If George goes to Cleveland, they could win a title and he could decide to stay put. At the very least that is a team that gives GS a run for it's money depending on what goes back to Indiana.
 

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Zach Lowe‏Verified account @ZachLowe_NBA 14s14 seconds ago
Sense from teams talking to IND is that Pacers intend to move fast on a PG deal.

I'd expect this to get done on draft night at the latest.

KOC's response to this tweet.

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA 14s15 seconds ago
Kevin O'Connor Retweeted Zach Lowe
If we're connecting the dots, you might also be asking why the Celtics moved so quickly to complete a deal with Philadelphia ... Hmm.

O'Connor seems to be pretty tied into the Celtics as he was one of very few to predict Jaylen Brown last year.