Penn State AD and Sandusky Charged
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The sentence seems light - a recent child-sex predator in Alabama got 600 years, for example. Yes, he is not eligible for parole until he is 98...but he should never, ever be eligible for parole. He should be sentenced to 600 years without parole and should only leave the maximum security prison he spends his last years in feet first.
His statement, both the radio bit and in court, is predictably bizarre and delusional. He takes no responsibility, admits no guilt, apologizes to no one but his wife and his family.
Sandusky deserves to spend his remaining time on earth in the worst hell-hole humanity could offer. Instead, he'll spend his time in a cell with a TV, watching college football on Saturdays.
His statement, both the radio bit and in court, is predictably bizarre and delusional. He takes no responsibility, admits no guilt, apologizes to no one but his wife and his family.
Sandusky deserves to spend his remaining time on earth in the worst hell-hole humanity could offer. Instead, he'll spend his time in a cell with a TV, watching college football on Saturdays.
Actually, it sounds very consistent with the sort of strategies that got him this far--have you seen Gladwell's piece on the matter in the New Yorker?
Key lens:
His sentence may appear lenient but the judge gave Sandusky concurrent sentences so that if any counts were to be overturned on appeal, Sandusky's jail time would not be reduced. There's no purpose to giving him a longer sentence than what he has.
Sandusky to serve time at Greene State Prison, where most of the PA state death row inmates are housed.
Former PSU President Graham Spanier has been charged with perjury.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8579116/graham-spanier-charged-jerry-sandusky-case
He'll be the hardest to convict, but the charge was somewhat inevitable after some of the previous disclosures in this case.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8579116/graham-spanier-charged-jerry-sandusky-case
He'll be the hardest to convict, but the charge was somewhat inevitable after some of the previous disclosures in this case.
It's about time Spanier was called to account. Charging only Curley and Schultz, while leaving Spanier and Paterno out, looked like scapegoating the mid-level flunkies while leaving the real authority figures untouched.
So you're saying the State of PA is saving on the inevitable "transporting the corpse" costs with this assignment?
IF Kathleen Kane wins AG election, prepare for Tom Corbett himself to finally face a little heat. Go Kane!
The Commonwealth of Pennsylbania is suing the NCAA over Penn State sanctions. PSU is not involved n the suit.
Rumors in the Capitol point to suing over the fiscal side, the state wants the money to stay within PA. A bill introduced in November would have dictated it all to be spent in the state.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/pennsylvania_to_sue_ncaa_over.html#incart_river_default
Rumors in the Capitol point to suing over the fiscal side, the state wants the money to stay within PA. A bill introduced in November would have dictated it all to be spent in the state.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/01/pennsylvania_to_sue_ncaa_over.html#incart_river_default
Spanier, Schultz and Curley will all stand trial http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Ex-Penn-State-Officials-Ordered-to-Stand-Trial-217635861.html
I almost got killed by the asshole driving the NBC10 van today when I was walking to work. These guys, back on topic, are obviously in trouble.
Philly Inquirer @PhillyInquirer 14m14 minutes ago
NCAA in talks to restore #Paterno wins, reconsider sanctions against Penn State, sources tell #Inq. Story TK @phillydotcom
NCAA in talks to restore #Paterno wins, reconsider sanctions against Penn State, sources tell #Inq. Story TK @phillydotcom
Here's the referenced Twitter story.
"The NCAA, state officials and Pennsylvania State University are in talks to reconsider the historic punishment on the school in the wake of the Sandusky sex abuse scandal, a step that could include restoring 111 wins stripped from coach Joe Paterno's record, according to people familiar with the discussions.
"Also under consideration is a proposal to leave the $60 million fine levied by the league within the state and the university, to be used for child protection."
This would, in essence, wipe clean the balance of the sanctions
Also, "Among the terms being discussed, sources say, is a provision under which Penn State would acknowledge that the NCAA had the right to impose the sanctions." NCAA [SIZE=11.1999998092651px]wanting[/SIZE] to protect its future legitimacy.
"The NCAA, state officials and Pennsylvania State University are in talks to reconsider the historic punishment on the school in the wake of the Sandusky sex abuse scandal, a step that could include restoring 111 wins stripped from coach Joe Paterno's record, according to people familiar with the discussions.
"Also under consideration is a proposal to leave the $60 million fine levied by the league within the state and the university, to be used for child protection."
This would, in essence, wipe clean the balance of the sanctions
Also, "Among the terms being discussed, sources say, is a provision under which Penn State would acknowledge that the NCAA had the right to impose the sanctions." NCAA [SIZE=11.1999998092651px]wanting[/SIZE] to protect its future legitimacy.
Other related stories:
Leaders of Penn State's alumni-elected trustees seek information on settlement talks in NCAA sanction suit
Two Penn State trustees say school has proposed settlement in NCAA lawsuit, but won't offer details
2 Penn State trustees say school has proposed unspecified settlement terms to NCAA
Leaders of Penn State's alumni-elected trustees seek information on settlement talks in NCAA sanction suit
Two Penn State trustees say school has proposed settlement in NCAA lawsuit, but won't offer details
2 Penn State trustees say school has proposed unspecified settlement terms to NCAA
The ncaa really, really doesn't want to go to trial. That's why they want to restore sanctions yet have PSU say they have that authority.
Ideally I wish the Commonwealth vs. NCAA thread could have been bumped instead of rehashing this one. The lawsuit is the reason this is being considered.
Interesting timing for this story to get released while the public's focus for the NCAA was on the national championship game.
Interesting timing for this story to get released while the public's focus for the NCAA was on the national championship game.
Depressing. Probably another case of the abused becoming the abuser. I hope help can be provided for the child for both his own sake and so the cycle doesn't repeat.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2fcc70b19b6a484bb122bb9d4724e844/jerry-sanduskys-son-jeffrey-charged-child-sexual-abuse
Not that it matters but his alleged victims were girls. It doesn't appear that he had made any physical contact with the young ladies. You have to wonder if it was the first time he has attempted to it. I am also wondering if it was a cry for help.
This story makes me sad. If guilty, he is 100% responsible for his actions, BUT to be fair, if he was abused by his Father, he had the deck heavily stacked against him.
He hasn't accused his father of molesting him. Even standing by him during his trial. Of course that doesn't mean it didn't happen. The elder Sandusky won't get the benefit of the doubt.
According to his mom, he is not guilty. But neither was her husband. I don't know that I would trust her opinion on this one.
Former PSU President Graham Spanier, VP Gary Schultz and AD Tim Curley all sentenced to jail time for child endangerment. Specifically, for failing to contact law enforcement with allegations against Sandusky that had been reported by Mike McQueary - first to Paterno and then to Schultz and Curley. Spanier was found guilty at trial. Schultz and Curley pleaded guilty and testified against Spanier.
Spanier (4 - 12 months) Schultz (6 to 23 months) and Curley (7 to 23 months) all received sentences that were minimal, but at the high end of the range for failure to report. All must do at least 2 months in prison at the outset of their sentences.
It's not much, and it reflects the fact that the more serious perjury charges were dropped early on in the case. But it is rare for college Presidents to ever be held to account, so that's something.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/penn-state-graham-spanier-child-molestation-sentence.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Spanier (4 - 12 months) Schultz (6 to 23 months) and Curley (7 to 23 months) all received sentences that were minimal, but at the high end of the range for failure to report. All must do at least 2 months in prison at the outset of their sentences.
It's not much, and it reflects the fact that the more serious perjury charges were dropped early on in the case. But it is rare for college Presidents to ever be held to account, so that's something.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/penn-state-graham-spanier-child-molestation-sentence.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
That's not what the NCAA said after the Paterno family dropped their lawsuit yesterday.
EDIT: Emphasis added.
Not only did the NCAA spike the football, they did a post touchdown celebration Terrell Owens would be in awe of.
There's no question that Canderson is right about the NCAA with respect to their heavy-handed and often factually-challenged approach to enforcement. They are a corrupt organization and I cannot imagine they would welcome any sort of digging into how the sausage gets made in their world.
Having said that, the Paterno family seems as if they (inexplicably but perhaps understandably) assumed that because the NCAA is a fraudulent organization, everything they do must be fraudulent. And so a close look would reveal that Joe was actually a fall guy at PSU instead of an enabling monster.
Can't imagine what it was like in the Paterno household when they realized during discovery that Joe was actually an enabling monster.
I doubt that the Paterno household admits that JoePa was an enabling monster, you know cognitive dissonance and all. They are probably blaming lack of resources or inability to get a fair trial or NCAA corruption or what not.
Yeah, the reaction of the Paterno family isn't the most interesting to think about.
What do you suppose was the reaction of their attorney(s) when the Paterno Family finally agreed that pursuing this suit would never result in a victory and that the best course of action would be to quietly drop it on the Friday before a long holiday weekend?
I first thought Jim Carrey-as-Ace-Ventura or Jeterian fist pumping, but now I'm leaning toward a long sigh, exhale, falling backward into a chair, and a very soft "thank god those idiots are no longer going to be in my office regularly" prayer.
What do you suppose was the reaction of their attorney(s) when the Paterno Family finally agreed that pursuing this suit would never result in a victory and that the best course of action would be to quietly drop it on the Friday before a long holiday weekend?
I first thought Jim Carrey-as-Ace-Ventura or Jeterian fist pumping, but now I'm leaning toward a long sigh, exhale, falling backward into a chair, and a very soft "thank god those idiots are no longer going to be in my office regularly" prayer.
You obviously don't know many attorneys.
Their reaction is certainly: "Wonder who's going to be paying my billables next year?"
So CNN just obtained a one page police report that describes McQuery's account. The report is from 2011. According to CNN, the report contains the following (bold added):
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/09/us/penn-state-paterno-sandusky-police-report/index.html
"Paterno, upon hearing the news, sat back in his chair with a dejected look on his face," the report states, adding that McQueary "said Paterno's eyes appeared to well up with tears."
"Then he made the comment to McQueary this was the second complaint of this nature he had received about Sandusky," the report states, citing McQueary's recollection.
Paterno and McQueary had "no discussion of the previous complaint at that time or any other time," the report states.
The police report also notes, again according to McQueary, that Paterno told the young assistant that his wife, Sue Paterno, once had told the head coach that Sandusky's wife, Dottie Sandusky, "told her Jerry doesn't like girls."
Somehow, this report was removed from the public record. Of course this probably isn't going to change anyone's mind but hopefully history gets this right."Then he made the comment to McQueary this was the second complaint of this nature he had received about Sandusky," the report states, citing McQueary's recollection.
Paterno and McQueary had "no discussion of the previous complaint at that time or any other time," the report states.
The police report also notes, again according to McQueary, that Paterno told the young assistant that his wife, Sue Paterno, once had told the head coach that Sandusky's wife, Dottie Sandusky, "told her Jerry doesn't like girls."
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/09/us/penn-state-paterno-sandusky-police-report/index.html
What was the first "complaint of this nature?" Was it the 1998 wet head incident that resulted in no charges from Gricar or some other previously undisclosed incident? If it's the former, we already knew that Paterno and PSU were aware of it and that the DA declined to press charges.
Edit: The news in the CNN story, if what McQueary said is true, is that it could conflict with Paterno's testimony to the grand jury, when he stated that he couldn't remember any incidents prior to 2001. That either means he lied or forgot.
Edit: The news in the CNN story, if what McQueary said is true, is that it could conflict with Paterno's testimony to the grand jury, when he stated that he couldn't remember any incidents prior to 2001. That either means he lied or forgot.
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I continue to be impressed by Sara Ganim's reporting on this issue. She has taken a lot of crap from her Penn State friends because she is an alumnus but I think the truth about Joe has finally emerged, thanks to her dogged persistence in following the paper trail.
And it is interesting that Mike McQueary protected Joe by not telling anyone but the state police about Joe's off-hand remark in 2001 that this was the second time he had heard something about Sandusky. According to Sarah's latest CNN story, state prosecutors also wanted to keep that Paterno admission out of their case, fearing that the trial would focus more on Paterno and Penn State than Sandusky. In that scenario, Jerry might get off the hook.
So again, congratulations to Sara Ganim. Great reporting. No one else got this latest story. She has owned it ever since the first grand jury leak in 2011, when Sara was working for the Centre Daily Times in State College.
And it is interesting that Mike McQueary protected Joe by not telling anyone but the state police about Joe's off-hand remark in 2001 that this was the second time he had heard something about Sandusky. According to Sarah's latest CNN story, state prosecutors also wanted to keep that Paterno admission out of their case, fearing that the trial would focus more on Paterno and Penn State than Sandusky. In that scenario, Jerry might get off the hook.
So again, congratulations to Sara Ganim. Great reporting. No one else got this latest story. She has owned it ever since the first grand jury leak in 2011, when Sara was working for the Centre Daily Times in State College.
Still plenty of apologists/cultists on social media and elsewhere. I can only hope that this news whittles their number down some.
His defenders point to his excellence as a coach and his involvement with the school and the community. I'd like to ask them: "How many young men molded as a coach, how many charity dinners shown up at, compensate for looking the other way, several times, while your right-hand man tore up a little kid's ass with his cock? Where do you place those numbers? Does your answer change if it's your 9-year-old? Does your answer change if it would have been you at that age?"
I'd like to hear those answers.
Okay, I'll try, because this is a reasoned post. Even though Sandusky was Joe's key coach for many years, they never liked each other much, which makes Joe's inability to blow the whistle even more baffling. Sandusky mocked Paterno to his defensive players, as far back as the late 1970s. And Joe never trusted Jerry.
Joe did help hundreds of players over the years and they often came back in their middle years to thank him. But most would also say he was a hard guy to play for because of the high-pitched screaming Joe did during practice sessions, often calling out players by name. He was easier to know after the players got older. Their loyalty to him during the scandal is understandable.
I know several players who raised children in Happy Valley and knew Sandusky. The revelations sent chills up their spines.
My own experience with Joe was as a sports writer in the 1970s. I remember him mostly for the man he was in those years, terribly smart in areas he cared about, very protective of his program and his players. It was a challenge to ask him questions because he was so sharp. But now, six years after the scandal became public, it is pretty obvious that Joe ruined his legacy by turning his head away from the rumors about Sandusky that began circulating in the 1980s. Joe will be remembered more for what he failed to do off the field than what he ever did as a coach. It's a good lesson for all of us. One immoral decision can change our legacies.
My whole family grew up around state college. Sandusky at one point lived across the street from my Aunt and Uncle. My Aunt was good friends with Dotty up until the scandal. Dotty was in complete denial according to her.. claimed that she never knew anything. I don't remember ever meeting him but I do remember going to an Alabama/PSU game when I was young and I wonder if he got us all tickets.
Sandusky at one point was as popular and revered as Paterno. He was lifted off the field I recall on one of those championship teams. PSU had a lot of very good defensive players back in the day and Sandusky was often seen as the 1A to Paterno.
Perhaps I'm an apologist for Paterno (and it's hard to separate my family from PSU since so many cousins went there, my uncle started the dept of transportation there, myself and my dad went there so I'm aware of my bias).. but (as far as I know) in every instance where a player stepped out of line he was suspended ... not matter how big the player or game. Maybe there are lots of instances that I/we are unaware of, but I recall many times where players were suspended for any minor infraction. So to me Paterno turning a blind eye doesn't match what he seemed to do in every other instance.
Coupled with that... Sandusky was a master manipulator. His whole life was built around hiding his depravity and crimes. He set up a foundation wholly around his predatory nature. I mean, a foundation that is intended to help kids? He set things up so that he could always have kids around. He was also far more involved with politicians and such because of his charity. Part of me wonders how much influence Sandusky pulled when the DA refused to charge him the first time. I also wonder how much was covered up by the local cops in State College. I also wonder if the DA for Centre county disappearing in 2005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar) was in any way related.
Paterno didn't seem to care about that stuff or his influence outside of PSU (at least to my young eyes at the time, terrynever may know different). He cared about football and the PSU library. He did report Jerry.. the Penn State administration and probably government/police failed at least equally...which is why at least three men are going to jail other than Sandusky. In my mind the thing that people have ignored is the endowment... those three guys seemed to be more worried about the money coming into Penn State rather than the kids that were being abused.
With that said if the reports are true that there are other incidents that Paterno didn't report... then it's all wrong and it was all a facade.
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I used shocking language deliberately, to convey a sense of what it might have been like for the victims.
I appreciate that the posters above me are trying to look at this objectively.
I don't see how one can have any defense of Paterno at all.
I appreciate that the posters above me are trying to look at this objectively.
I don't see how one can have any defense of Paterno at all.
I didn't see anything wrong with your language! We're all beyond shock at the horrors Sandusky committed, even the apologists agree to this. And This latest Sara Ganim piece kind of ends the discussion for Paterno's defenders. It's all over.
The fact that a Penn State communications graduate has driven this story since 2011 makes me proud. There is irony in this, especially since Joe could never understand how reporters who graduated from Penn State could ever write anything critical of the school. His loyalty to the school blinded him, even in the 1970s, and the way he always protected his players and the program created the moral abyss into which his decision-making skills vanished by, say, 1990.
Just replying to one aspect of this, Lars. Believe me, in the 1970s, players who got into trouble downtown were detained only long enough until a coach could come down and pick them up. The cops would call Joe and he would send someone downtown to clean things up. We all looked the other way, but usually the offenses were alcohol-related, like the time a very famous player jumped up onto the Shandygaff Saloon sign and brought it to the ground.
By the mid-1980s, the local police stopped cooperating, as the nature of player offenses began to get worse. I was long gone by then and cannot speak to specifics. Joe's response was to close the doors to his program and blame the media. As the Internet media expanded, and Joe grew beyond initial retirement age, his willingness to protect the program's image grew out of control. His tunnel vision of Sandusky's perversion narrowed to how such a terrible story would harm recruiting. The solution was to force Jerry into early retirement in 1999. Out of sight, out of mind, except Sandusky's juicy retirement package literally gave him a set of keys to the Lasch Building.
You think this story ends the defenses of Paterno? I think you'll find it barely moves the barometer if at all. When the evidence rises to being equivalent to that which would have conclusively led to an indictment, I think it would mean something. Maybe something like evidence that Paterno conclusively knew what Sandusky was doing and conspired to conceal his actions. This isn't that. Any new information she might present is no less ambiguous than what we've heard before. In the discussion where McQueary claimed Paterno said this wasn't the first time he heard of this - What incident was Paterno referring to? I think we're going to be hard-pressed to ever learn more beyond the morally suspect but legally defensible actions of Paterno. He's not really the story anyway.