Dan Duquette was surly. My only Hinkie experience is his resignation letter and that seemed like a letter written by a person with good personal skills.
Bryan Colangelo Submits Resignation
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I agree with this. During my basketball adventures I met and interviewed with Sam Hinkie's front office; the guy was a little weird in that I-love-math sort of way but was affable, engaging, and very pleasant. Took no bullshit, gave no bullshit. I was genuinely impressed with him, which I would not say about...most...of the GMs or front-office staff I ran across (including some of his staff).
Btw, Bowiac maybe right, but let's not get revisionist here. Hinkie wasn't fired because he was lacking interpersonal skills. He was fired because a large part of the fan base was tired of losing and the NBA didn't like the optics of a team deliberately not trying to win.
What me and many others who support Hinkie say is this. Hinkie may have had his faults, but what he did is engage in an strategy that was unpopular but really tried to trade short term mediocrity for long-term excellence. Just as he was about to enjoy the fruits of his strategy, he was let go. What feels wrong about this is the dominance of short-term thinking and the lack of reward for someone who was willing to do the unpopular thing in service of doing the good thing. In a league where many executives mortgage the future of their teams in order to save their jobs for a couple of years (cough Bryan Collangelo is one of them), this wasn't just refreshing, it ought to have been lauded.
PS. As I was writing this, I remember reading an article on Hinkie which described how he would listen to frustrated long time ticket holders telling them to be patient and trust the process. From what I remember in that article, there was no criticism of Hinkie's interpersonal skills. And the term "Trust the Process" is a perfectly honest and succinct distillation of what they were trying to accomplish.
The problem is that when people experience failure or deprivation, PR and smooth-talking could only take you so far. You could have the best communicators in US history anyone from Lincoln to Reagan to Obama and after a while people would tune them out.
Let's get right to the bottom line then and eliminate the reports of Hinkie's operational failures as simply noise designed to kick him on the way out to save face.
The real pressures came from other NBA owners who were taking a hit at the gate every time the Sixers came to town. At the end of the day, this is a business and his actions were affecting league profitability and the integrity of their games.
Just start a new thread. Call it "Process over, results time" or something actually witty.
More fun evidence of it being BC (as if there is still any doubt),
Burner account praises twitter user for idea of hiring Steve Nash to mentor TJ McConnell. 76ers then hire Steve Nash to mentor TJ McConnell.
Burner account praises twitter user for idea of hiring Steve Nash to mentor TJ McConnell. 76ers then hire Steve Nash to mentor TJ McConnell.
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To London's point......what is the point of this? It's essentially a Sixers rebuilding thread.....when did that process end? I don't see any reason for that thread to be locked when the discussion in it are still relevant.
Why start a new topic on this Twitter story when you can bury it in a 4 year old megathread that's only tangentially related? Just the thought of starting a new thread, the typing involved, the thinking...I'm exhausted just thinking about it.
I'm all for the colangelo debacle being a new thread, but relitigation of the process in this thread, vs a long thread about the process and how it works is unhelpful.
Let's keep this about dickhead colangelo and I'll start a thread for process and Hinkie (in fact I'll do both)
Let's keep this about dickhead colangelo and I'll start a thread for process and Hinkie (in fact I'll do both)
The problem is that the other thread was a catch all for all things Sixers. If you actually wanted to follow a discussion about the process you have to sort through so much other discussion it's nearly impossible to do. We should have at least 3 or 4 Sixers threads right now.
I hear you, the example being putting this stuff in it.
I made a process/ tanking/ Hinkie thread and a sixers discussion for the year thread as per other sports.
Let's keep this on tooling on the snake
I do think this is going to destroy any credibility he has with other GMs and will hurt his ability to perform the essential functions of his job. The Sixers are at a critical point in their team building and the draft and FA are just around the corner. Tough spot for ownership.
The guy who wrote the article was on the Ringer NBA podcast with Chris Ryan. He said he was tipped by an anonymous source, and from their dealings he got the impression that this guy was a Sixer fan, but someone very unhappy with Colangelo and his approach to running the Sixers.
Umm... @LondonSox?
Umm... @LondonSox?
No comment.
But seriously I would have discussed it with people here first.
I see no way he can stay. And the sooner they move on the better. Time is of the essence.
Unless they drag out an investigation until the draft let him do the draft and then move. Risk both ways really.
But he has to go. I do understand the sixers need to look into it, and can't just kneejerk to an accusation, which doesn't have a smoking gun. But I mean above ALL he is slagging off Fultz, after going all in on him.
You have to be supportive or silent. You cannot make that trade and then turn on the kid and throw him under the bus. You cannot.
But seriously I would have discussed it with people here first.
I see no way he can stay. And the sooner they move on the better. Time is of the essence.
Unless they drag out an investigation until the draft let him do the draft and then move. Risk both ways really.
But he has to go. I do understand the sixers need to look into it, and can't just kneejerk to an accusation, which doesn't have a smoking gun. But I mean above ALL he is slagging off Fultz, after going all in on him.
You have to be supportive or silent. You cannot make that trade and then turn on the kid and throw him under the bus. You cannot.
I think that people are too quick to assume that these Twitter accounts are in fact, Colangelos. It is completely possible that a clever, media savvy person could do this and then set him up to fall. Of course, it would have to be someone who had a grudge against him. Someone who had an intimate knowledge of the 76ers front office. Someone who was high enough in the organization to have Colangelos personal phone number and to know details of his professional and personal life.
But most importantly, he or she would have to be patient. They would have to be willing to defer gratification, a true believer in the idea that revenge is a dish best served cold. A person who would be willing to but up with along involved process....
Eh, never mind.
But most importantly, he or she would have to be patient. They would have to be willing to defer gratification, a true believer in the idea that revenge is a dish best served cold. A person who would be willing to but up with along involved process....
Eh, never mind.
The ironic thing is that e probably admitted to owning the one Twitter account because he figured it would make his story more believable, but that admission. Is actually contributing to his downfall because of all the connections that can be made between the accounts,
Amazing.
Imagine the self-importance required to think someone would go to such elaborate lengths to set you up in a year+ con.
Or the insanity of the person who went to such elaborate lengths to set him up in a year+ con.
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It doesn't really matter at this point, does it? His own players, much less prospective free agents, are never going to trust him again.
My initial thought, but...
What happens if it was her? He’s credibility with his players is still shot, but can you shitcan him over it?
Yes 100%. Same issue applies—who is going to play for a GM who airs your dirty laundry to his wife, who in turn airs it to the world?
For what it's worth, as someone who goes back on SoSH basketball discussion to the single NBA thread in the general sports forum I could not disagree more with the above statement. The Sixers thread is, to me, a great example of a single-topic thread that has stuck around but which (if you look at the pages) does a pretty good job of allowing people to look at 'the process' over a bunch of years. Having a single thread allowed lots of engaged discussion to occur about that topic (albeit with some issues along the way). It's not perfect, and sure---there's sub-things like the Colangelo discussion that merit a separate thread. But that doesn't mean kill the parent thread, imo.
I do not think we are aspriing to be BBTF around here, where every single thread is such a narrow focus that discussion in it dies after a couple days. I get the intent behind limiting megathreads, but I don't think this is an example of what we're trying to avoid there---the topic of the Sixers thread was always clear.
Wouldn't you be inclined to suspend him right now as the owner? That lets you save face publicly, while privately it can mean basically nothing (he can still do anything he otherwise would be doing). And if you find out he was set up, you come out in support of him and criticize the faker, etc. If you find out it was him, you fire him and you look like you were prudent to immediately suspend him.
Who is going to play? Pretty much anyone so long as they have the cap space to pay
probably someone based in Silicon Valley, surrounded by tech nerds who could use this as a test case to sabotage corporate executives and politicians everywhere
Agreed, that person would need intimate knowledge of the pigeons' personal details and who they associate with
You guys are crazy if you don’t think this is Colangelo himself. I’d be absolutely shocked if he wasn’t fired by Friday night. Come to think of it Friday would be the perfect time to do it, heading into the weekend and before game 1&2 of the finals where it can act as a slight distraction when the Warriors blow out the Cavs in game 1, but then also be quickly forgotten when Game 2 starts.
Lmao didn't Manning use the same defense? Come to think of it, isn't "it was the wife!" used a tonne?
I don't believe this for one single second.
I don't believe this for one single second.
I mean what star is going to sign there with this hanging over the franchise? Not Lebron, who has only ever played for his hometown and for Pat Riley. They need to make him disappear asap. It’s not like he’s adding any particular value anyway, despite what Eric Jr. thinks.
Well, the tweets that were at the same time he was actually talking to the media give me pause, if that checks out.
Then again, if it was his wife, he had to know? Right?
Right - either way, he was careless with confidential trade/medical/personal information. Not to mention that the excuse just seems a little too convenient. Not only will people he has to work with no longer trust him, but he'd also carry around the additional stench of seemingly being someone who threw his wife (or his son) under the bus to save his career.
Edit: Didn't read carefully. I agree with moops above - the players will play - even Embiid, begrudgingly. The issue will be the lack of trust in the 76ers front office from around the league when building partnerships and making deals.
There's tons of easy-to-use ways to schedule a tweet, though. Sure, that takes tweeting about yourself to a mildly more devious level, but the wife's phone number seems like the dagger.
Also, her name is BOTTINI. I mean, come on, this is the best.
Also, her name is BOTTINI. I mean, come on, this is the best.
It’s the wife.
If this second line isn’t proof it’s a mom, nothing is.
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