I thought we had one around here a decade ago, like, older than Stiffy and Mike F. But at this point anyone who was even 8 in 1946 is of course now 80.I wonder if there are any SOSHers who have seen the Sox win 100 before?
I thought we had one around here a decade ago, like, older than Stiffy and Mike F. But at this point anyone who was even 8 in 1946 is of course now 80.I wonder if there are any SOSHers who have seen the Sox win 100 before?
Speaking of the 54 Yankees. Yogi Berra said that team was the best Yankees team he played on. Better then 61. It was a mix of veterans and young guys. they won 103 games, but the Indians won 111.I see 9:
- 2001 OAK
- 1993 SFG
- 1980 BAL
- 1962 LAD (no divisions)
- 1961 DET
- 1954 NYY
- 1942 BRO
- 1915 DET
- 1909 CHC
{Ted Williams likes this}So you guys got me thinking: Check this out:
The MVP is defined as what it is. So, if Mookie wins the MVP and JDM wins the Triple Crown, the TC is technically, almost definitionally a lesser award this season.
How much trash do we think Mookie would talk to JDM about the Triple Crown if this happens? Like, how good do you have to be to have the opportunity to pooh-pooh the Triple Crown as a kind of consolation prize? What is it like to win the Triple Crown and still have that guy in the clubhouse? And, I mean, they're all having fun.
That kind of shit is on the table with this team.
TB is an excellent team. In another division, especially the AL Central or NL West, they would probably be a playoff team. The Boston media had this stupid idea that they were somehow rebuilding because they traded Steven Sousa, as if that was such an irrecuperable step back. We were frankly lucky to play them so many times while their pitching staff was disordered by injuries at the beginning of the year.How amazing is it that they've been 14-2 against the O's so far and yet still need to win 2 of 3 to post a better record against them than they did against the Jays?
Oh to have that last series against TB over again...
Random catch: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?posts/3002380I thought we had one around here a decade ago, like, older than Stiffy and Mike F. But at this point anyone who was even 8 in 1946 is of course now 80.
They traded Souza...and Longoria and Boxberger and Odorizzi and Dickerson. And they let Duda and Cobb and Morrison and Hunter walk as free agents. And they were sellers at the deadline this year, shipping out Archer and Miller and Ramos and Eovaldi and others. Can't imagine where the notion that they're rebuilding would come from.TB is an excellent team. In another division, especially the AL Central or NL West, they would probably be a playoff team. The Boston media had this stupid idea that they were somehow rebuilding because they traded Steven Sousa, as if that was such an irrecuperable step back. We were frankly lucky to play them so many times while their pitching staff was disordered by injuries at the beginning of the year.
Most of those players aren't exactly irreplaceable, as they've proven. Having a pitcher like Snell certainly helps, too.They traded Souza...and Longoria and Boxberger and Odorizzi and Dickerson. And they let Duda and Cobb and Morrison and Hunter walk as free agents. And they were sellers at the deadline this year, shipping out Archer and Miller and Ramos and Eovaldi and others. Can't imagine where the notion that they're rebuilding would come from.
Yet they never took a step back and instead are getting better. It's rather incredible.
Tv has to be given credit for the risks they have taken and for maximizing the payroll they have. Considering Baltimore is in one of the premier media markets in the states, and can afford a high payroll, the record of success of both teams, comparatively, is pretty astonishing. Tampa is just a really well run team and easily my least hated team in the divisionMost of those players aren't exactly irreplaceable, as they've proven. Having a pitcher like Snell certainly helps, too.
TB's front office deserves a ton of credit for moving that much bulk and remaining competitive in a division with two 100-win squads. That's hardly an easy task.
For me growing up in the late 60s and in the early 70’s, it was frustrating to hear some games on a shortwave radio and reading the previous day box scores in the paper and seeing that the O’s were almost always better than the Sox. Today we could see a new record in game lead in modern baseball history (65.5 back, Boston Doves, 1909).59.5 game lead over Baltimore. There is no way this isn't at least in the low 60's by season's end.
This feels like the, “Chuck Norris doesn’t sleep, he waits,” of Orioles hatred.For me growing up in the late 60s and in the early 70’s, it was frustrating to hear some games on a shortwave radio and reading the previous day box scores in the paper and seeing that the O’s were almost always better than the Sox. Today we could see a new record in game lead in modern baseball history (65.5 back, Boston Doves, 1909).
It was hatred admiration when they had Palmer, McNally, Cuellar and Dobson. Now they are completely inconsequential and miserable, but I expect a new record, at least 66 back (although I know probability is not on my side).This feels like the, “Chuck Norris doesn’t sleep, he waits,” of Orioles hatred.
That is exactly what I found, so that's good enough for me.In the two-league era, it's 65.5 (Boston Doves, 1909). I don't think the O's have enough games left to break it, though obviously the fact that they have three games left against us (and three more vs. the Yanks) makes it a bit more possible.
Also, if that happens and the Jays and Royals both get hot, the O's could wind up twice as far behind as any other team, which I'm pretty sure has never happened.
i thought it was 65.5 but this post - https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/9/18/17873774/orioles-al-east-red-sox-theres-blood-everywhere - says that the Boston Beaneaters trailed the 116-win Cubs by 66.5 games in 1906.Did we ever definitively establish the record for the most games a team has ever finished behind another?
I ask because as far as Wikipedia can tell me, the modern era record is 65.5 and the Orioles are currently at 60 and it's a record worth breaking.
And here for a moment the other day we thought you might find no more mountains left to climb!That is exactly what I found, so that's good enough for me.
I think there's plenty of time left for them to break it.
They have 11 games left and a .285 winning percentage which works out to a 3-8 record the rest of the way. The Sox have 11 games left and a 682 winning percentage which works out to a 7-4 record. If those hold up, that's a 64-game deficit. All it would take for the record is for the Sox to play a bit better than that and/or the Orioles to play a bit worse and here's the Orioles schedule the rest of the way.
1 v Toronto
3 @ NYY
3 @ BOS
4 v HOU
If they went ofer the rest of the way, I don't think anyone would be shocked.
Its baseball history. Just like people "gave a shit" about the Tigers as they careened toward 120 losses.What’s with the preoccupation with the Orioles? Never seen so many people give a shit about a last place team.
It’s interesting, but this Orioles thing seems more like an obsession for some. But whatever. I’m more concerned with how the Sox have looked the last two games than how poorly the Orioles have played.Its baseball history. Just like people "gave a shit" about the Tigers as they careened toward 120 losses.
The oldest guy on that 1906 team was born in 1869. And 150 years later, we're talking about his team. I love stuff like that.
They have not hit or had good relief pitching vs good teams. They are limping to the finish with a big lead.It’s interesting, but this Orioles thing seems more like an obsession for some. But whatever. I’m more concerned with how the Sox have looked the last two games than how poorly the Orioles have played.
maybeMaybe some of us are as relaxed and confident as the Sox look, and as the players we are distracted by other things, thinking that untill October we should not worry.
I know. They could fold in the division series rather quickly unless they figure some things.They have not hit or had good relief pitching vs good teams. They are limping to the finish with a big lead.
Anyway I know the positive thinking crew with jump on me, (100 wins! etc) but the Sox have one win in 5 games vs the Astros and Yankees scoring 15 and giving up 29. They have a .679 ops ins September and .753 against. Take out the three game 2019 Blue Jays open tryout and it is worse.
So if they were winning meaningless games 10-1 every night it would somehow have an effect on how well they play when it counts? As a fan I know it sucks watching them waltz to the finish after they have it mostly locked up instead of seeing them go balls out and try to win 120, but players’ brains don’t work that way. The players have confidence that they will turn it on when they need it. It still may not be good enough because Houston, Cleveland, and New York are really good, but their performance in these games literally has nothing to do with how they will play when it matters. The only ones getting emotional about it are fans because it sucks to watch and we hate to watch losses.They have not hit or had good relief pitching vs good teams. They are limping to the finish with a big lead.
Anyway I know the positive thinking crew with jump on me, (100 wins! etc) but the Sox have one win in 5 games vs the Astros and Yankees scoring 15 and giving up 29. They have a .679 ops ins September and .753 against. Take out the three game 2019 Blue Jays open tryout and it is worse.
They aren't limping to the finish...yet. Until two days ago, they had won 9 of their last 12 games, including going 4-2 against playoff teams (Atl and Hou). They've won 13 of their last 20. Over those 20 games, they've beaten Carlos Rodon (who currently sports a 3.22 era), Mike Foltynewicz (2.90 era), Dallas Keuchel, and Jacob deGrom.They have not hit or had good relief pitching vs good teams. They are limping to the finish with a big lead.
Anyway I know the positive thinking crew with jump on me, (100 wins! etc) but the Sox have one win in 5 games vs the Astros and Yankees scoring 15 and giving up 29. They have a .679 ops ins September and .753 against. Take out the three game 2019 Blue Jays open tryout and it is worse.
Because some folks here think the only way the Sox clinch the division is by taking 2 of 3 from the O's next week?It’s interesting, but this Orioles thing seems more like an obsession for some. But whatever. I’m more concerned with how the Sox have looked the last two games than how poorly the Orioles have played.
Even that isn't a given. The Patriots lost to the Browns 34-14 in a year when the Pats were 14-2 and the Browns 5-11. The worm can turn.Because some folks here think the only way the Sox clinch the division is by taking 2 of 3 from the O's next week?
Yes if they play like a .000 team (their record in the last two games) they will get eliminated.I know. They could fold in the division series rather quickly unless they figure some things.
There's always another mountain.And here for a moment the other day we thought you might find no more mountains left to climb!
There's a lot of reasons. There's the history. There's the sheer spectacle. There's the way it reflects on just how awesome the Sox have been this season.What’s with the preoccupation with the Orioles? Never seen so many people give a shit about a last place team.
The 2000 Yankees had no problem knowing they could turn it on in the playoffs because they were coming off of 2 straight titles. This Red Sox group largely has had no playoff success to fall back on.Ironically, Sox fans can look to the 2000 Yankees for some measure of comfort. After taking two of three games against the Blue Jays on Sept. 12-14, the 84-60 Yankees proceeded to go 3-14 down the stretch, losing series to the still-powerful Indians as well as the far less impressive Jays, Rays and O's. They hit .240 with a .671 OPS over their final 21 games, the pitching staff had a 7.24 ERA, and they put up a minus-84 run differential during that stretch (72-156). As many of us remember, the Red Sox utterly failed to capitalize on this, playing out the string at a perfectly mediocre 9-9 and finishing 2.5 games back (6 games back of the wild-card Mariners). Once in the postseason, the Yankees survived a tough five-game series against the A's (hmmm ... prophetic?) before regaining their swagger in the ALCS, dropping the opener before pasting the Mariners four games to two to win the AL pennant and then prevailing in the hard-fought Subway Series in five games against the Mets. Last I checked, Yankees fans don't dock the 2000 team style points or put an asterisk next to that year on their 'Got Rings?' t-shirts.
Yeah, I'm sure that's got the Sox shaking in their cleats.The 2000 Yankees had no problem knowing they could turn it on in the playoffs because they were coming off of 2 straight titles. This Red Sox group largely has had no playoff success to fall back on.
This. Plus bad blood between the two teams for what seems like forever.There's a lot of reasons. There's the history. There's the sheer spectacle. There's the way it reflects on just how awesome the Sox have been this season.
But mostly it's because Buck Showalter is the dick cheese of MLB managers.
You know, two more mountains isn't out of the question.There's always another mountain.