You're right, he should've been killed on the field instead.I dont particularly like Ben, and I really don't like the Steelers, but I hate seeing long careers ended like this.
You're right, he should've been killed on the field instead.I dont particularly like Ben, and I really don't like the Steelers, but I hate seeing long careers ended like this.
Exactly. This season is a bust so basically they get two years of cost controlled Minkah Fitzpatrick instead of four years of cost controlled 2020 High First Rounder.Not only that, WHY DO THIS during a totally lost season?
Lots of fans on Steelers forums have been calling for a MF trade. That was before BR went down though.Couple folks on Steelers board like it.
Seattle? Not a dumb team, but get him outta the AFC and it's not like the Seahawks gave up a ton for Clowney.Pretty ideal from a Patriots perspective, as its dumb for the Steelers in the long term but also keeps Minkah away from any contenders. Now if somebody else will just make a dumb trade for Ramsey we'll be all set.
Let's make it the Redskins. They missed out on Fitzpatrick and need to replace Norman soonish.Seattle? Not a dumb team, but get him outta the AFC and it's not like the Seahawks gave up a ton for Clowney.
Now that’s funny. Just how bad do you envision the Steelers being without Ben?They must be insanely high on Rudolph because that pick has a chance of being top 5.
Steelers have him for up to 4 more years after this year with the 5th year option and franchise tag. If they actually play him at slot, he’ll be good. Just not sure they should’ve given up a top 15 at worse pick for him.Minkah was 1:11 in the 2018 draft.
He is down to 2 years control, and while talented, he hasnt exactly been a gamechanger to the level he was at Bama.
Unless Rudolph is that good (or that ready) the Steelers are likely using a similar pick (top 15) to get 2 less years of control.
Seems like a great trade for Flores and Miami and less good for the Steelers.
It's not just Ben it's Brown. This was barely a 9 win team that lost a hall of fame wide receiver + the guy that led the NFL in passing yards last season. They've been replaced by a guy with no NFL experience and Moncrief, who has 3 receptions, 4 drops, and 7 yards on 11 targets. They get the Ravens (twice), Rams, Chargers, Browns (twice).Now that’s funny. Just how bad do you envision the Steelers being without Ben?
I like what Nick Wright said tonight on the radio. First that his initial assessment this year before the season started was that the Steelers were a 7 win team. Without Ben he (and I agree here) think they are more like a 4 or 5 win team. You may disagree with the initial assessment but I think a 2 to 3 game hit is inline with any expectations without Ben.Now that’s funny. Just how bad do you envision the Steelers being without Ben?
It’s a bit ironic that they finally shore up the O-line after years of that being an issue, and now Ben is lost for the year.It's not just Ben it's Brown. This was barely a 9 win team that lost a hall of fame wide receiver + the guy that led the NFL in passing yards last season. They've been replaced by a guy with no NFL experience and Moncrief, who has 3 receptions, 4 drops, and 7 yards on 11 targets. They get the Ravens (twice), Rams, Chargers, Browns (twice).
Sure the offensive line is still great but it's not like the running game has looked any good so far, are we anticipating this gets easier for Conner without Ben?
Reminiscent of the Romo Cowboys and Luck Colts in that sense.It’s a bit ironic that they finally shore up the O-line after years of that being an issue, and now Ben is lost for the year.
Not really, Minkah isn't a difference maker and MIA just got a potential lottery ticket. I'd rather they have traded him to a contender and ended up with a back end 1st rd pick. If they use their picks and space appropriately they could be a contender in 3 or so years just as NE is in transition.Pretty ideal from a Patriots perspective, as its dumb for the Steelers in the long term but also keeps Minkah away from any contenders. Now if somebody else will just make a dumb trade for Ramsey we'll be all set.
While this is worse for the Patriots 2-3 years from now as far as division competition, I'd much prefer him on the Steelers than going to KC whom immediately becomes even tougher competition for home field advantage and winning the AFC.Not really, Minkah isn't a difference maker and MIA just got a potential lottery ticket. I'd rather they have traded him to a contender and ended up with a back end 1st rd pick. If they use their picks and space appropriately they could be a contender in 3 or so years just as NE is in transition.
This is my take too. The Steelers get control of Minkah for nearly 4 years, but only 3 will matter at the most. In exchange they give up a top 10 pick. I was fearful that he would be going to a contender, especially KC. This is a win-win for the Pats, aside from the downstream effects of how Miami rebuilds over the next 2-3 years.While this is worse for the Patriots 2-3 years from now as far as division competition, I'd much prefer him on the Steelers than going to KC whom immediately becomes even tougher competition for home field advantage and winning the AFC.
This is not what the forum is looking for in terms of discussion. It's ok simply not to post if a one word post like this is what you think furthers the discussion. It doesn't.This
I think my post got eaten. Didn't mean to reply with a single word.This is not what the forum is looking for in terms of discussion. It's ok simply not to post if a one word post like this is what you think furthers the discussion. It doesn't.
Thanks.
With the pick they gave up, they could get a better corner in the 2020 draft that can actually play the boundary and they'd control him for 6. Seems short sighted to me.Steelers have him for up to 4 more years after this year with the 5th year option and franchise tag. If they actually play him at slot, he’ll be good. Just not sure they should’ve given up a top 15 at worse pick for him.
If the package someone gives up for Jalen Ramsey is similar to this, then its going to look like a really bad deal.Only way I can see it is to note that the Steelers' success rate drafting defensive backs is the diametric opposite of their ability to draft receivers. Fitzpatrick is more of a finished project than they would have from a draftee. Don't really like it myself, but what do I know?
Pittsburgh's OL has been excellent for several years running. It was an issue earlier in Ben's career, but that was a while back now.It’s a bit ironic that they finally shore up the O-line after years of that being an issue, and now Ben is lost for the year.
Yeah that's what I was thinking as well. Burns is a bust. Davis is looking like a bust. Edmonds is questionable at best.Only way I can see it is to note that the Steelers' success rate drafting defensive backs is the diametric opposite of their ability to draft receivers. Fitzpatrick is more of a finished project than they would have from a draftee. Don't really like it myself, but what do I know?
The draft pick wouldn't be expensive and they'd have the player for longer. They're balancing the fact he's more of a known quantity versus longer control over draftee.I posted this in the Dolphins thread. The value of this trade to the Steelers is that Fitzpatrick is cheap and will be cheap for the next three seasons.
Davis apparently also has a torn labrum, which will keep him sidelined a bit, though it's not listed as season ending.Yeah that's what I was thinking as well. Burns is a bust. Davis is looking like a bust. Edmonds is questionable at best.
Yep. Effectively trading 2 years for being past the "bust" risk. And I can't completely blame them.The draft pick wouldn't be expensive and they'd have the player for longer. They're balancing the fact he's more of a known quantity versus longer control over draftee.
The draft pick would be more expensive, since Miami has to eat Fitzpatrick's signing bonus. Remaining salary on Fitz' deal is less than $6 MM.The draft pick wouldn't be expensive and they'd have the player for longer. They're balancing the fact he's more of a known quantity versus longer control over draftee.
Exactly. This Dolphins/Steelers trade is kind of the inverse to the Texans/Browns trade for Brock Osweiler. In that trade, the Texans gave up draft capital to dump Osweiler's contract. In the recent trade, the Steelers gave up draft capital to get a player whose bonus was already paid out. The Steelers traded a draft pick for a good player who will be very cheap. The draft pick they gave up could potentially be a better player, but the draft pick will most definitely become a much more expensive player.The draft pick would be more expensive, since Miami has to eat Fitzpatrick's signing bonus. Remaining salary on Fitz' deal is less than $6 MM.
The signing bonus for a rookie contract is small change in the end though, about $2.5M cap hit per year for Fitzpatrick. The Steelers get him cheaper but they only get him for three years rather than four and this year they have zero hope of contending anyway after the Ben injury. So its more like they get him extra cheap for two cost-controlled years (2020-2021) that they actually have a chance of doing something meaningful instead of drafting a player who will be a bit more expensive but they would control for four years from 2020-2023.Exactly. This Dolphins/Steelers trade is kind of the inverse to the Texans/Browns trade for Brock Osweiler. In that trade, the Texans gave up draft capital to dump Osweiler's contract. In the recent trade, the Steelers gave up draft capital to get a player whose bonus was already paid out. The Steelers traded a draft pick for a good player who will be very cheap. The draft pick they gave up could potentially be a better player, but the draft pick will most definitely become a much more expensive player.
I'd take Jaire Alexander over him too.In a worst case scenario, you put Minkah in as your nickel back and he covers slot receivers and is one of the better slot defenders in the league.
From that perspective he’s a known quantity. He could be a good FS if left there. He’s unlikely to be a good boundary CB, even though Miami used him there some last year once everyone else was hurt.
Is that worth a potential top 10 pick? If I had to do the draft over again, I would go with Derwin James, who is actually a multi position star, whereas Minkah really isn’t interested in playing all over the defense.
I’m still in the camp that’s stunned they made this trade after finding out Roethlisberger was done. I thought they might pack it in and try and draft a QB in the first round.
Roethlisberger signed a rather large extension this past offseason, and the numbers don’t bode well for Pittsburgh going forward. The extension was worth $68 million over two years, with $37.5 million guaranteed at signing. His cap hit in 2020 will be an astounding $33.5 million, and a dead-cap hit of $25 million. Cutting him this year would not only be hasty but pointless, given his dead-cap hit is nothing less of $43.5 million in 2019.
If the Steelers want to get out of Big Ben’s contract, the time will be after the 2020 season, where they gave themselves an out in the extension he signed back in April. Should they choose to part ways, via trade or otherwise, Roethlisberger will only count for $12.5 million against the cap for the 2021 season. If they don’t, he’ll count for $31.5 million against the cap in his age-39 season.
The guaranteed money is already gone, of course, and Roethlisberger had $30 million in injury guarantees included in his extension should the end of his career come via the medical tent. But if Pittsburgh is looking to pull the plug quickly and usher in a new era of Steeler football, they’ll be waiting until 2020 at the absolute earliest, and even then it won’t be easy.