If Jimmy G is playing like the 49ers hope and expect, we’re not getting him back. And he wouldn’t want to come back because the 49ers and Rams will be competing for SB berths. And the arrangement described is not enforceable. In fact, it’s illegal.A kick start to their rebuild.
I’m not saying it’s pre arranged that way. If Garoppolo truly wants to play for Belichick he’d leave SF to go back to play for him.If Jimmy G is playing like the 49ers hope and expect, we’re not getting him back. And the arrangement described is not enforceable. In fact, it’s illegal.
I’m assuming this conspiracy theory is somewhat tongue in cheek.A kick start to their rebuild.
Very true about the local media.Brady didn't really come into his prime as a passer until his 4th year as a starter and 5th year in the league. He was good before then, and has always been good with taking care of the ball and not making rash decisions, but there was a lot of developing he had to do.
Local sports media will say whatever serves them best at any given moment. Hoping they won't over-hype something is kinda hoping in vain.
This exact theory was brought up by Tim Fox, the radio color guy for the Niners (their Zolak). He literally said his “greatest fear” was this turns into a Cousins franchise situation, they can’t get him signed, then he forces his way back to NE when Brady is done. He said it on the KNBR radio am show a week ago. May just be paranoia but it’s at least in the back of their minds. JG is gonna have a lot of leverage.I’m assuming this conspiracy theory is somewhat tongue in cheek.
On the side that it was even a little bit serious, my guess is that if Jimmy was inclined to come back one day, based on winks and nods or not, part or the reason would be the strength of his relationship with Belichick. The problem is that I would assume that Bill will be ready to retire when Tom is gone and Jimmy would have the contractual freedom to return.
And I would love to be wrong about that. All of that.
I am pretty sure he led the league in TD passes in 2002 though the league was much less pass happy back then.I disagree, in 2002 (year 3) he was a different QB than in 2001. They asked him to throw it over 600 times that year, including like 20 in a row in the season opener against the Steelers. Then he was pretty much the same QB to me from 2002-2006 until the Moss/Welker acquisitions, and everything changed after that.
Edit: that's not to say he wasn't improving every year from 2002 to 2006, he clearly was. But the huge jump for Brady I think occurred between years 2 and 3.
Suggestion: Stop being annoyed. Here Bill got a top of the 2nd round pick next year for a backup with little track record and some injury concerns. If the Patriots kept JG and failed to resign him, you'd be even more annoyed that they let him leave for a compensation pick from who knows what team- maybe an AFC contender- and there were no reports out there that anyone was giving up more than what they got. Be happy that the Patriots traded a good QB but still have the GOAT under center.I still can't believe BB only got a 2nd rounder for him. You'd think he'd try - and one assumes he did - to get, say, a conditional pick to go along with it. If Jimmy signs w 49ers and they win 8 or more in 2018, N.E. gets an additional 2nd rounder or something in that world. I know, BB is some master negotiator or whatever, but the trade was made in ten minutes and SF seemed surprised and thrilled with the deal. Annoying.
When are the 49ers going to be competing for SB berths? Is this a post-Brady world?If Jimmy G is playing like the 49ers hope and expect, we’re not getting him back. And he wouldn’t want to come back because the 49ers and Rams will be competing for SB berths. And the arrangement described is not enforceable. In fact, it’s illegal.
Brave new world for us — we’re again in the QB business. Top of the next draft will be interesting.
With by far the lowest YPA of his career, and little running game to speak of. He evolved into Tom Brady, HOF QB from ages 27-30.I am pretty sure he led the league in TD passes in 2002 though the league was much less pass happy back then.
There's only one Brady, but for another comp/ceiling, how about Russell Wilson? JG looks very quick and elusive, but he hasn't taken off and scrambled much yet, even though he looks capable of it. Instead, he keeps moving in or out of the pocket until he finds a receiver, or throws it away. Oh noes if we get another Fran Tarkenton comp though.I have watched all his games living out here in the Bay Area. He is a really good young QB, but he isn't and won't ever be Brady.
It also isn't doing any good for the Bay Area media to keep bringing up Montana.
Jimmy is going to be a good one and will probably have them in the playoffs in a few seasons, but all this all-time talk and winning the lottery talk should probably slow down.
I am eager to see how he plays against Jacksonville.
What would you have said about the Rams this time last year — beyond that Jared Goff is a bust?When are the 49ers going to be competing for SB berths? Is this a post-Brady world?
I mean the 49ers are on a nice little winning streak but they seem pretty far from SB contenders at the moment.
Just fine is much different than SB contender.What would you have said about the Rams this time last year — beyond that Jared Goff is a bust?
If the 49ers have the QB piece solved, everything else is manageable within a relatively short time frame. I think Lynch and Shanahan are likely to do just fine.
Not to be overly pedantic, as I agree with your point, but comp picks don’t come directly from teams, they are just wedged in between round of the draft. It’s not like MLB.Suggestion: Stop being annoyed. Here Bill got a top of the 2nd round pick next year for a backup with little track record and some injury concerns. If the Patriots kept JG and failed to resign him, you'd be even more annoyed that they let him leave for a compensation pick from who knows what team- maybe an AFC contender- and there were no reports out there that anyone was giving up more than what they got. Be happy that the Patriots traded a good QB but still have the GOAT under center.
And Head Coach to Head Coach.Just fine is much different than SB contender.
The Rams also had Gurley and Donald, but your overall point is valid that a lot can change from year to year.
I don't think he's nearly as fast as Russ - he's been chased down a number of times by dlinemen. I've actually been surprised by how slow he seems to be. Kirk Cousins in terms of mobility in my opinion.There's only one Brady, but for another comp/ceiling, how about Russell Wilson? JG looks very quick and elusive, but he hasn't taken off and scrambled much yet, even though he looks capable of it. Instead, he keeps moving in or out of the packet until he finds a receiver, or throws it away. Oh noes if we get another Fran Tarkenton comp though.
I think Cousins is a decent comp, but from watching all his starts, his mobility reminds me of early Roethlisberger -- again on mobility. His ability to escape a rush in a pocket or behind the line is excellent, always keeping his eyes downfield for a throw, but he can't turn it upfield and cause havoc with his legs like Wilson.I don't think he's nearly as fast as Russ - he's been chased down a number of times by dlinemen. I've actually been surprised by how slow he seems to be. Kirk Cousins in terms of mobility in my opinion.
Take a look at that team that won 5 games last year with their new coach, whose tenure was an unmitigated disaster in his last go around. They've got a declining but overpaid (and possibly overrated) QB, and backing him up is a career second stringer and a 6th round draft choice that noone's ever heard of and who looked awful throwing 3 passes in garbage time last season. Their local media expert claims they bombed their first 2 picks in the draft, and because they were snug against the salary cap, their big free agent pickup was a non-descript linebacker named Frable (or something or other) who was cast off from one of the conference's premier teams.When are the 49ers going to be competing for SB berths? Is this a post-Brady world?
I mean the 49ers are on a nice little winning streak but they seem pretty far from SB contenders at the moment.
As long as Jed York doesn’t fuck it up. Actually, he would have to be the stone cold worst owner of all time to do that with what looks like very good GM/ Coach/Quarterback plus cap room in place. The days of York having to break up a Baalke fighting with a Harbaugh won’t ever happen for the foreseeable, and Paraag Marathe seems to be back to doing what he’s good at.What would you have said about the Rams this time last year — beyond that Jared Goff is a bust?
If the 49ers have the QB piece solved, everything else is manageable within a relatively short time frame. I think Lynch and Shanahan are likely to do just fine.
So, maybe he’s quick and elusive moving around in the pocket and along the line of scrimmage, but not fast. I don’t know. The times he’s gotten tackled, I remember it more as him getting blind sided rather than run down. A thing to keep an eye on. His combine 40 yard dash time was 4.97 though, bearing out what you say.I don't think he's nearly as fast as Russ - he's been chased down a number of times by dlinemen. I've actually been surprised by how slow he seems to be. Kirk Cousins in terms of mobility in my opinion.
He actually made Levi's feel like a real football stadium according to the few players still left from the Niners recent playoff success, which is an accomplishment by itself. They are going to pay him. To a lot of fans (myself included) the culture of the franchise is good quarterback play, it puts butts in seats and keeps people talking.
Excerpt from The Athletic article (pay wall):Are we able to finally do the math on this one? I read somewhere that JoeJuan Williams, Cajuste, Stidham, and the Lions 2020 4th rounder can all be linked back to the trade. The Pats traded subsequent picks so many times it is pretty dizzying, I don't have the energy to do it, but would be curious.
https://theathletic.com/950113/2019/04/27/the-jimmy-garoppolo-trade-tree-keeps-sprouting-branches-for-patriots/Here’s the quick version. The Patriots traded Garoppolo, No. 63 in 2018 and Nos. 97, 162, 205 and 239 in 2019 for Dawson, Sam, Williams, Harris, Cajuste, Stidham, Cowart and a 2020 fourth-round pick.
I wish there were an online tool that could do that for every trade. Actually, I don’t because I would never leave my house ever again.That’s crazy yo.
I bet BB trades the 2020 pick and part of that trade is to pick up another pick in 2021 and keep rolling it over so that we can never get a final tally. Or so that the entire 53 man roster can be traced back to the trade.
I was recently looking and realized the Patriots traded a 2009 3rd for a 2009 7th and a 2010 2nd. The 2009 7th became Edelman and the 2010 2nd effectively became Gronk (the Pats had to give up a 6th to move up two spots). So they effectively got Edelman and Gronk in the same trade. It's even more complicated than that because they had originally gotten that third as part of trading back with the Packers.I wish there were an online tool that could do that for every trade. Actually, I don’t because I would never leave my house ever again.
The Cam Neely trade tree is probably the best of these that I’ve ever heard of in any sport.I wish there were an online tool that could do that for every trade. Actually, I don’t because I would never leave my house ever again.
Article on the longest transaction trees resulting in a player still on the team for each franchise in the NBA, for those who find this stuff interesting: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/1/30/18202947/nba-transaction-treesThe Cam Neely trade tree is probably the best of these that I’ve ever heard of in any sport.
The lineage of that trade is ridiculous.I was recently looking and realized the Patriots traded a 2009 3rd for a 2009 7th and a 2010 2nd. The 2009 7th became Edelman and the 2010 2nd effectively became Gronk (the Pats had to give up a 6th to move up two spots). So they effectively got Edelman and Gronk in the same trade. It's even more complicated than that because they had originally gotten that third as part of trading back with the Packers.
Yup, what Baltimore and Green Bay got out of their picks wasn’t bad either. The Ravens got Michael Oher, and Green Bay got Clay Matthews and Jamon Meredith. Decent, even great value (in Matthews’ case) for late 1st round picks. Both teams won Super Bowls with their picks and I think they would be happy with their return. Belichick isn’t “winning” trades by fleecing the other guy.I remember being upset about them trading back both times in that draft because of the two guys they could of had:
#23 Michael Oher
#26 Clay Matthews
Turned out ok in the end.
The bolded part debunks the myth that Belichick wasn't talking to other teams when he traded Jimmy to SF.But then the text came in. Shanahan checked his phone: New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was reaching out.
“It was like 5 in the morning,” Shanahan remembered. “And we had just got killed — I think by Philly. I thought he was just texting me to try to make me feel better. But he said, ‘Give me a call if you’ve got a second.’ And I gave him a call.”
And that moment signaled the dawn of a whole new and elevated 49ers quarterbacking era — you can draw a pretty straight line from this day to the 49ers’ current preparations to play Kansas City in Super Bowl 54 on Sunday — though Shanahan didn’t quite know it right away. First, he called Belichick, who quickly offered to trade Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to the 49ers for a second-round pick.
Deal or no deal? Well, first Shanahan needed just a moment.
“He ran it by me,” Shanahan said. “I wasn’t ready for it. So it threw me off a little. But I was definitely excited. Said I had to talk to John. Hung up. Called John upstairs. He came right down. We talked for about 10 minutes. And we called back and said, ‘Yes.’”
Hold on a second. This was a little after 5 a.m. Not only were you arriving at the office at that insane time, but the GM was there, too?
“Yeah, John’s always there,” Shanahan said with a smile after his Tuesday news conference. “Once I got the text and called him back, I was like, ‘Wow, give me a second. I’ve gotta go up and talk to John and soak this in a little bit. And we’ll call you right back.’ There was a deadline. There were other people (Belichick was talking to). He asked us to hurry as fast as possible.”
It took Shanahan and Lynch about 10 minutes to fully process the whole thing, which seems fast, but they weren’t exactly starting from scratch on the concept of acquiring Garoppolo, then in the middle of his fourth season backing up Tom Brady. Shanahan and Lynch checked with Belichick about Garoppolo (and Brady, for that matter) during the NFL scouting combine several months earlier and were told the Patriots weren’t in QB trade mode.
But now, a day before the 2017 trade deadline, Belichick was telling the 49ers he was going to move Garoppolo, who was about to hit free agency, and it was going to happen soon.
The “4 1sts for Garoppolo” or “freezing Cleveland out” thing was a lie too.Jimmy G to the Browns instead of the 49ers is one of the best recent sports "what ifs" (although I have no doubt the Browns still would have sucked, because they are the Browns).
It’s a beautiful what if; but I imagine if Bill had seen Kittle as a Gronk replacement, he would’ve drafted him before the 5th round.That BB didn’t ask for a 2nd AND GEORGE KITTLE (with an eye toward Gronk’s trajectory) or something else (beyond Brian freaking Hoyer) is frustrating. I can’t see SF turning that down, given who Kittle was back THEN, not now.
The last time they had two, one of them didStill, imagine the Pats offense with two elite TEs. We would’ve killed everyone.