He is probably the worst starting QB in his division.Gets away from Mahomes and Lamar. Dude is even smarter than I thought.
He is probably the worst starting QB in his division.Gets away from Mahomes and Lamar. Dude is even smarter than I thought.
We were shocked honestly. We didn’t even respond to the Pats talk we were just like “cool do you have a tap list” and they ignored us.That's more exception than the rule as most residents are used to visiting team fans showing up en masse
Brady is?? What??He is probably the worst starting QB in his division.
We're onto Stidham“We have internal options and then there’s free agency and the draft” is going to be said many times over the coming years as they look for the next franchise quarterback.
Yup. Brees, Ryan, if healthy Cam are all better than Brady at this point in time.Brady is?? What??
Umm....noHe is probably the worst starting QB in his division.
Cam is on his way out. Brady is better than Ryan and will be better than Brees in Tampa.Yup. Brees, Ryan, if healthy Cam are all better than Brady at this point in time.
They were 3rd in the NFL in points last year. They were 29th in points on defense.Wow. Tampa.
When the idea first started circulating it made a fair amount of sense and I think all of us recognized it could happen, but to hear that it actually is happening? Crazy. Just not how I would have seen it ending.
Arians seems like he's pretty different from Belichick. I think Brady is going to have some culture shock. Though I don't think for a minute he won't adapt. That offense will be excellent.
Shirley you can’t be serious. At no point in his career, and certainly not now, has Newton ever been better than Brady. Brees I can’t argue, but I would definitely argue Newton and probably Ryan. Sure Ryan has had statistically great seasons, but I’m just not seeing it.Yup. Brees, Ryan, if healthy Cam are all better than Brady at this point in time.
How many of those points allowed were due to Winston's 30 INTs? Brady prob won't throw for as many yards because he'll focus on throwing to his team a bit more than Winston ever did.They were 3rd in the NFL in points last year. They were 29th in points on defense.
Exactly. When Brady is controlling the clock and throwing it to the defense twice a game, all the talking heads will be commenting on how “underrated” the defense is and how they “really gelled into a good unit this year.”How many of those points allowed were due to Winston's 30 INTs? Brady prob won't throw for as many yards because he'll focus on throwing to his team a bit more than Winston ever did.
You think pretty highly of Teddy Bridgewater...He is probably the worst starting QB in his division.
Absolutely. But it's not like they couldn't score last year and Jameis doesn't account for all the defensive problems. And their kicker kind of sucked.How many of those points allowed were due to Winston's 30 INTs? Brady prob won't throw for as many yards because he'll focus on throwing to his team a bit more than Winston ever did.
dude Cam fucking sucks. Is this serious? Cam blows. 2015 is ancient history. Cam wasn't better even then.Yup. Brees, Ryan, if healthy Cam are all better than Brady at this point in time.
Winston accounts for a lot of them. He threw SEVEN pick-sixes and Bucs opponents had the third-best average starting field position beyond that. The D finished a respectable 17th in points per drive against and a very good sixth in yards per drive against. They were fifth or something in DVOA. There's a lot of reason to believe they could be a pretty good D with a QB who takes care of the football.Absolutely. But it's not like they couldn't score last year and Jameis doesn't account for all the defensive problems. And their kicker kind of sucked.
Let's not confuse only one offer with no other team wanting him.Beyond baffling he is choosing to end the greatest career in the history of sports with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And he signed with the only team that wanted him. Come back Tom this has to be a mistake.
They're going back to the ones they wore during the Dunn/Alstott days.At least get some decent uniforms. Seeing Brady in one of those outfits is going to be sickening enough. Go back to the all-white John McKay ones.
Are they getting 30 year old Brady? If so, agreed.Anyone that thinks that Tampa isn’t a 12 win team with a healthy Brady is delusional.
Late on responding to this question, but imo thanks to Tom Brady, you have to actually win something to be the Boston athlete alpha dog .Who is the new Boston athlete alpha dog? Jayson Tatum?
My first favorite was Dan Marino. Pretty sure his last was a pick 6 too.Last pass was the Logan Ryan pick-6. That’s going to annoy me.
Could also still argue Sale is the biggest star. To clarify - I just meant Bergeron is nowhere near the star Tatum is.devets red sox couild be a huge star or xander
TB12 provided us with 20 years of absolute, sheer NFL....lunacy. What else can you call it? Thanks for the memories and the camaraderie I was able to share with so many across this great land. Nothing comes close to this ride we had. Nothing.
only bad thing about sale is his delvity they need to change his pitch motionCould also still argue Sale is the biggest star. To clarify - I just meant Bergeron is nowhere near the star Tatum is.
ne still made 2 super bowls without brady and was in that 1996 game utill late 3rd q when if bill p was not thinking about leaveing for your hateing rivals maybe he doubles reggie white in the 2nd haif and makes the green bay LB'S DT'S beat himMy take: Its stupid, and it sucks, and in the minds of most it’s going to tarnish the legacies of Brady (Couldn’t win without Belichick!!), Belichick (couldn’t win without Brady!!), and the Patriots (crappy organization that only won because of Brady!!).
But civilization is ending soon so I don’t really care.
Marino was pulled from his last game, a first round playoff game with with the Jags, down 38-0 in the third. That game ended 62-7. No pick 6s, but a strip sack returned for a TD on his third possession after getting picked on his first. Historically bad final game.My first favorite was Dan Marino. Pretty sure his last was a pick 6 too.
WHERE IS TACKO?!!?!It's almost worth its own thread. Gronk and Papi are retired; Betts is gone; and Kyrie has thankfully brought his decline phase to Brooklyn. So, the top 10 most popular Boston sports celebrities, in no particular order:
Tatum
Kemba
Chara
Bergeron
Rask
Edelman
D-Mac
Hightower
Bogaerts
Devers
With honorable mentions to Sale (if he gets healthy), Gilmore, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Pasta (who could be interchanged w/ Rask), Marchand (ditto). But there is no Top 10 list that doesn't have Bergeron, and probably no Top 5 list either. He and Chara are right now the 2 automatic Hall of Famers for their respective sport that are in that list, although Kemba is probably close given that the B-Ball HoF is relatively easier to join.
Wow. I'm surprised that the underlying stats are quite that good. You're point is made.Winston accounts for a lot of them. He threw SEVEN pick-sixes and Bucs opponents had the third-best average starting field position beyond that. The D finished a respectable 17th in points per drive against and a very good sixth in yards per drive against. They were fifth or something in DVOA. There's a lot of reason to believe they could be a pretty good D with a QB who takes care of the football.
Who could possibly source this info reliably?
Lololololol.Ben's new t-shirt line: "Your GM traded Jimmy G. and all you got was this Stupid Super Bowl."
Not that I follow TB, but I remember this quote from FO's final DVOA rankings:Winston accounts for a lot of them. He threw SEVEN pick-sixes and Bucs opponents had the third-best average starting field position beyond that. The D finished a respectable 17th in points per drive against and a very good sixth in yards per drive against. They were fifth or something in DVOA. There's a lot of reason to believe they could be a pretty good D with a QB who takes care of the football.
For what it's worth, they were pretty much the only team to shut down McCaffrey last year, and they did it twice (Washington also held him under 100 total yards, but that was it).Not that I follow TB, but I remember this quote from FO's final DVOA rankings:
There is a 2019 defense that ends up among the ten best defenses in DVOA history, however: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Todd Bowles engineered a shocking turnaround for the Tampa Bay defense this year, as it went from dead last in DVOA for 2018 to fifth for 2019. And most impressive was the run defense, which allowed just 3.3 yards per carry, a yard below the NFL average. The Bucs come out as the No. 6 best run defense we've ever measured.
I hope you gave the place a shitty Yelp! or Trip Advisor review.We were shocked honestly. We didn’t even respond to the Pats talk we were just like “cool do you have a tap list” and they ignored us.
This deserved more love. I may even steal it.Tampa hasn’t put one over on Boston like this since Trafficante had JFK whacked.
SOSH has experts on everything, even Tampa mob historyThis deserved more love. I may even steal it.
Ha, I am wearing that same sweatshirt right now. I put in on this morning with the thought of "hmm, this will keep me warm today".This morning I stood before my closet, surveying the day’s choice of folded hoodies. The first one I saw, almost by fate, was my Patriots sweatshirt: navy blue, Flying Elvis across the chest.
I grabbed that Pats hoodie out of my closet and put it on with pride.
This morning I stood before my closet, surveying the day’s choice of folded hoodies. The first one I saw, almost by fate, was my Patriots sweatshirt: navy blue, Flying Elvis across the chest. And I felt an unnatural pang deep inside, a choked heart’s throb; yes, this was my team, this was its logo, but it now represented something I was unfamiliar with. It no longer had a face. What did this mean? What was going to happen?
And my mind immediately performed a jump-cut to the past, to the barren windswept bleachers of Schaefer/Sullivan/Foxboro Stadium, cold aluminum benches devoid of human souls and beset by the miserable swirl of discarded hot dog wrappers. To TV blackouts and the more-than-occasional drunken brawl in the stands, when going to a game was a joyless Thunderdome of an exercise… impossible traffic snarls both pre- and post-game (even though there were only 30,000 people attending), punctuated by profanity and beer-fueled fisticuffs in between. All against a backdrop of generally awful, awful football.
Those ‘70s and ‘80s Patriots wore red uniforms, which were symbolic of red flags: warning signs which were now waving alarmingly in my face as I stood with my closet door open, trying to do something so simple as choosing what to wear for the day. Tom Brady was no longer a Patriot. Our Superman, our King Arthur, our Max Rockatansky was going to ply his trade elsewhere, never to wear the navy and silver of New England again. Gone, due to ego -- his or Bill Belichick’s -- or money, most likely a combination of both. The end of a golden sun-kissed era.
But then something occurred to me. Tom Brady never sat on those freezing aluminum benches 30 or 40 years ago. I doubt he ever gave more than a moment’s thought about the Patriots as he was growing up. He never died inside because he couldn’t watch his beloved Pats play due to a broadcast blackout. He rooted for the Niners growing up, which was a hell of a lot like rooting for the Pats for the last two decades. What does he know about sports heartache and the loss of God? I love him and what he’s done for my team, and I thank him and wish him well because he’s absolutely earned that, but his departure never, ever gets to define how I feel about the Patriots now or going forward.
His exodus is a commentary on the passage of time. It means we’re getting older. All of us, including Tom. It means we have to say goodbye to the comfort of the familiar, a familiar which just so happens to have been wildly successful. But time always wins. We were going to say farewell at some point soon no matter what, at least time gives us the wisdom to be more comfortable with the passage of time (I'm pretty sure this was a Hootie & the Blowfish song, by the way).
I have seen the lows. Hell, most of the kids I knew growing up didn't even root for the Pats, despite being from New England. And if they tell you they did, they're lying, they only jumped on when the getting was good. You see, being a Patriots fan sucked for most of time prior to the mid-'90s. Yet I still loved them anyway. I loved them with all my heart.
I grabbed that Pats hoodie out of my closet and put it on with pride.