For the love of God.
Camby was a teenager, but Cal is an epic cheat and sleaze. This is embarrassing.
Camby was a teenager, but Cal is an epic cheat and sleaze. This is embarrassing.
What the hell?For the love of God.
Camby was a teenager, but Cal is an epic cheat and sleaze. This is embarrassing.
I 'm not saying we have to pretend the Cal era wasn't insanely fun, but the man doesn't deserve a statue. We don;t have to pretend it wasn't super fun, but we don't need to give him a place of honor.I don’t mind Cal
but Roe doesn’t have one right? Camby over Roe sucks
Just label it “The only coach to reach the Final Four for the first time three times.”I 'm not saying we have to pretend the Cal era wasn't insanely fun, but the man doesn't deserve a statue. We don;t have to pretend it wasn't super fun, but we don't need to give him a place of honor.
I really liked that piece.Interesting article about statues and college football.
https://oklahoman.com/article/5651670/a-bronze-age-for-college-footballbrbehind-the-culture-that-honors-sports-figures-with-statues
I would argue that none of the four honored individuals deserve a statue on the UMass campus, but Erving is a much more reasonable choice than the others.
This was one of the lines in the article which reminded me how much I dislike Shaughnessy.Wow. Maybe the Celtics should put a statue of Rick Pitino in front of the Garden, rewarding Pitino for taking the Celtics presidency away from Red Auerbach.
Curious why you think Erving more than Leaman?I would argue that none of the four honored individuals deserve a statue on the UMass campus, but Erving is a much more reasonable choice than the others.
None of them had statue-worthy accomplishments at UMass. Leaman was a good coach, but I’m guessing 217 career wins is the fewest by far for a college basketball coach who is honored with a statue on campus.Curious why you think Erving more than Leaman?
On this we agree. It sounds like a silly ideaNone of them had statue-worthy accomplishments at UMass.
Agreed, but I wish it went into the "what happens when your statue ends up glorifying the next Joe Paterno?"I really liked that piece.
Well. Thats definitely a take.College coaches don't deserve statues. Being a coach at a major basketball or football program is an inherently immoral thing and the people who do it are loathsome people who should be shamed and denigrated not lauded.
The make millions of dollars off unpaid labor, any person who makes tons of money (more than a professional often) expressly because the people doing the work don't have to be paid and has no problem with it cannot be anything but a deeply immoral person.Well. Thats definitely a take.
Hey, if there is one thing about Cal it is that he makes sure his players are getting a cut of things. Maybe he SHOULD get a statue?The make millions of dollars off unpaid labor, any person who makes tons of money (more than a professional often) expressly because the people doing the work don't have to be paid and has no problem with it cannot be anything but a deeply immoral person.
While true of Cal ... it has nothing to do with Jack LeamanThe make millions of dollars off unpaid labor, any person who makes tons of money (more than a professional often) expressly because the people doing the work don't have to be paid and has no problem with it cannot be anything but a deeply immoral person.
Even worse, coaches at major college teams in revenue generating sports know that this system is not only unfair, but corrupt. They know that when there is a large amount of money riding on the current and future performance of unpaid athletes, some of that money will find it's way to those athletes. But instead of enforcing the rules they are given or advocating for the payment of their athletes, they maintain the current sham of a system because they know that forcing the money under the table gives them a bigger cut. So they set up their processes so that there are assistant coaches as fall guys and plausible deniability for themselves. The control freaks who dictate every second of their player's lives on and off the court suddenly just don't know what is going on when an agent or booster is slipping a kid cash, or when recruits get plied with booze and strippers. They make a fortune, their ADs make a fortune, their schools make a fortune, and their athletes are left unpaid or underpaid, and usually either without a degree or with a sham degree in whatever major was easiest instead of useful. They are inherently scumbags.The make millions of dollars off unpaid labor, any person who makes tons of money (more than a professional often) expressly because the people doing the work don't have to be paid and has no problem with it cannot be anything but a deeply immoral person.
I'm about as casual of a fan of college sports as a person can be, and even I know about Sam Gilbert financing the Wooden Dynasty at UCLA starting in the 60's. He was both a criminal, and a player agent, so he's kind of the prototype for the modern corruption of sports. So I don't know that everybody was cheatin back then, but I know at least some people were. Add in organized crime and the point shaving scandals that go back to the 50s (including that MA area one at BC in the 70's), and you've got a lot of corruption in the sport dating back pretty far. But of course coaches had no idea. They never do.Jack Leaman and/or UMass didn't make a bloody dime off of Erving; no one in 1970 did, especially a school playing in Curry Hicks Cage with no TV contract. Just sayin'. Cal and Camby, that's another can of worms.
I am 100% behind this. The man has contributed more to world culture than Camby, Calipari, Ewing, and every other member of the UMass basketball program combined.UMass needs a statue of Henry Saint Claire Fredericks before they put one up for either of these two. He got a degree.
Hell, Dana Gould deserves a statue before Cal, just for his Simpsons work.UMass needs a statue of Henry Saint Claire Fredericks before they put one up for either of these two. He got a degree.
That's great. You chose that name? Or did some guy named Hank Fredericks just "lose" his license somewhere?Fun fact: a fake ID I used for a time in my teens had the name Henry Fredericks.
Chose the name. Got the ID at some shady operation on Newbury Street in Boston.That's great. You chose that name? Or did some guy named Hank Fredericks just "lose" his license somewhere?