Just get the shot, Matthew. My goodness.One prominent Patriot is not happy. I'd be willing to bet that he's one of the players not vaccinated.
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Just get the shot, Matthew. My goodness.One prominent Patriot is not happy. I'd be willing to bet that he's one of the players not vaccinated.
View: https://twitter.com/man_dammn/status/1418287891055321093
I smell a banner...!IIRC the two teams are Washington and Indianapolis
Never thought it, eh? What a burden he carries.DeAndre Hopkins weighs in
That didn't take long.Hopkins already deleted the Tweet
My parents and sister are unvaxxed. A lot of my extended family is too (despite being extremely cautious about Covid last summer).That didn't take long.
These Vax deniers are really unbelievable. There are so many of them.
My mom is not a anti vaxxer and got her shot in February. But she was a Fox news watcher and last year literally almost broke up my family. My sister and brother stopped talking to her in the 4th quarter of last year. Due to this, she hasn't been watching it this year and everyone is getting along so much better. That network is just so toxic. Anti vaxxers are toxic.I believe in the future of the NFL and support their decision with this policy.
That *is* a threadable needle. But I'm doubtful he's sewing here.As for Judon, being a homer a can see how someone could be pro vaxx but anti their union allowing the non-forfeiting team to lose their paychecks too. I’d be pretty pissed at that if I were a player.
They think vaccines are toxic.That network is just so toxic. Anti vaxxers are toxic.
What do anti-vax people think the endgame is with vaccines?
I certainly don’t mean to game thread, but that was very well done. Take a bow.If I were Hopkins I’d get the vaccine, that man can catch anything
I think a lawsuit by individual players is a longshot. As far as I can tell (from reading this thread) the penalties aren't against them. Nor is the league forcing them to get vaccinated. Maybe there's a shred of hope concerning the "nobody gets paid" language. But, as that is tied to "cancellations caused by the unvaccinated" I think it survives legal challenge, at least until a team gets hit, and the players question "how did they know how it was caused."I certainly don’t mean to game thread, but that was very well done. Take a bow.
To get back on track, I wonder if anti-vaccine players could potentially create some wiggle room on the issue by taking their stance to court?
Looks like Diggs is all for it saying it’s about availability.
Seems like the team will not be punished in that case. Such cases are nearly always minor anyway, and the league just said they player will be able to go back once they clear the protocol, which is much less stringent for vaccinated players.How about the already vaccinated getting Covid? The first 200 cases in New York with the Delta variant had 40 patients who had both shots.
no kiddingJosh Allen isn’t vaccinated either. Buffalo seems like ground zero for this.
So the AFC East is wide open?Josh Allen isn’t vaccinated either. Buffalo seems like ground zero for this.
Not only that, what do they think the endgame is with the VIRUS? No endgame? "Suck it up buttercup"? "Survival of the fittest"?My mom is not a anti vaxxer and got her shot in February. But she was a Fox news watcher and last year literally almost broke up my family. My sister and brother stopped talking to her in the 4th quarter of last year. Due to this, she hasn't been watching it this year and everyone is getting along so much better. That network is just so toxic. Anti vaxxers are toxic.
What do anti-vax people think the endgame is with vaccines?
But yeah, I'm sure this guy will totally get the vaccine after it goes from Emergency Use Authorization to final approval.
I took that as him subtweeting his QB and Cole BeasleyLooks like Diggs is all for it saying it’s about availability.
He's just talking facts, no?
I do too.I took that as him subtweeting his QB and Cole Beasley
Judon didn't seem to strenuously object to this other vaccine protocol not applicable to him; can't read his mind, but his issue may be more with the union bowing down to the league than the vaccine itself.I imagine a lot of players feel similar regardless of vaccination status. They are not going to like a potential forfeit. Not to many losing a paycheck when you've done nothing wrong.
Take this to V&N. What does anyone think the endgame with the virus is? Do you think it's going away?Not only that, what do they think the endgame is with the VIRUS? No endgame? "Suck it up buttercup"? "Survival of the fittest"?
JFC.
I'm not one to cry for the owners' wallets but why should they bear the burden completely? If a game gets cancelled there's no revenue. If there's no revenue why should the players be paid? The players should have some skin in the game, too, even if it means they get screwed over if they're on the other side of it, same as the owners.Yeah I feel like it’s going to be hard to enforce this. There’s no way the NFLPA will just say ‘ok’ to this, is there? Is it really possible to penalize players on team X for ‘conduct detrimental’ by a players on team Y? That seems to have a lot of problems.
Get the shot, snowflake.One prominent Patriot is not happy. I'd be willing to bet that he's one of the players not vaccinated.
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If this was the MLB rule, the Yankees, who have had a ton of fully vaccinated personnel get Covid anyway, would be paying a steep price and would be impacting other innocent teams a ton.What happens if an outbreak occurs amongst players who HAVE been vaccinated? The vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing the spread of COVID 19 which I assume the NFL does not know since science is not their forte. Do they still bring the hammer down?
The NFL used the word “unvaccinated” multiple times.If this was the MLB rule, the Yankees, who have had a ton of fully vaccinated personnel get Covid anyway, would be paying a steep price and would be impacting other innocent teams a ton.
There’s a lot of problems with the NFL’s approach here. Not that I know what the right approach should be.
Ah ok I’m sorry. I missed that.The NFL used the word “unvaccinated” multiple times.
To me, it seems intentionally vague and open to league interpretation.Ah ok I’m sorry. I missed that.
So to be clear, this rule only applies to unvaccinated people?
Yes. The whole point is that if you took the basic step of getting vaccinated, you won’t be punished even if you got a breakthrough outbreak, but if you didn’t, then that’s on you. Which I think is a sensible approach.Ah ok I’m sorry. I missed that.
So to be clear, this rule only applies to unvaccinated people?
The answer is a bit more complicated. From the memo:Ah ok I’m sorry. I missed that.
So to be clear, this rule only applies to unvaccinated people?
So, the vaccinated players on a team that has to forfeit do lose out as well. They don't get paid, and they potentially will miss out on playoff incentives as well. Also, vaccinated players on the opposing team don't get paid, which really sucks for them. So the complaints about the NFLPA could very well be due to the possibility that even vaccinated players on fully vaccinated teams could lose paychecks....
In light of the substantial roster flexibility in place for the 2021 season, absent medical considerations or government directives, games will not be postponed or rescheduled simply to avoid roster issues due to injury or illness....
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If a game is cancelled or postponed because a club cannot play due to a CoVid spike among or resulting from its unvaccinated players/staff, then the burden of the cancellation or delay will fall on the club experiencing the CoVid infection. We will seek to minimize the competitive and economic burden on the opposing club...If a club cannot play due to a CoVid spike among its vaccinated individuals, we will attempt to minimize the competitive and economic burden on both teams.
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If a game cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week schedule and is cancelled due to a CoVid outbreak among non-vaccinated players on one of the opposing teams, the club with the outbreak will forfeit the contest and will deemed to have played 16 games for purposes of draft, waiver priority, etc. For the purposes of playoff seeding, the forfeiting team will be credited with a loss and the other team will be credited with a win
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If a game is cancelled and cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week scheduled due to a Covid outbreak, neither team’s players will receive their weekly paragraph 5 salary
I follow way too much news and politics and I don’t want to V&N anything but since you asked… a Newsmax host recently opined that some viruses and diseases are maybe just meant to wipe a certain number of people out.Not only that, what do they think the endgame is with the VIRUS? No endgame? "Suck it up buttercup"? "Survival of the fittest"?
One of the issues is that people treat viruses like they are all the same. Some never get herd immunity, they mutate and reoccur forever unless you eliminate them with vaccines. Smallpox is a great example, as is Polio people would still be dropping dead of smallpox and getting paralyzed by polio left and right if we had the same low levels of vaccine adoption as people are embracing with COVID.I follow way too much news and politics and I don’t want to V&N anything but since you asked… a Newsmax host recently opined that some viruses and diseases are maybe just meant to wipe a certain number of people out.
Others are afraid for various reasons. It’s low social trust usually as the common denominator but different groups have different reasons for why they have low social trust. Where is Reverend when you need him? Caroline Orr talked about this if you want to find her on Twitter. She does a good job recapping it.
Sounds like a win-win scenario to me!So Cole Beasley is going to kill Rog and then himself?
Maybe, maybe not. With polio it was the attenuated life vaccine (Sabin) that really turned the tide. While live attenuated vaccines have downsides, they also are able to spread to close contacts and provide passive vaccination to people who were not themselves vaccinated. So your overall vaccination rate can be higher than the number of people who willingly take the vaccine (essentially "infecting" non-vaccinated people with the vaccine).Smallpox is a great example, as is Polio people would still be dropping dead of smallpox and getting paralyzed by polio left and right if we had the same low levels of vaccine adoption as people are embracing with COVID.
BB always seemed to go out of his way to praise Hughes, IIRC.Bills locker room should be fun:
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Call it a tie. Or give each team a loss. It would mess with playoff scenarios and draft order a bit but would seem reasonably manageable.What about a scenario where two teams scheduled to play each other both have a Covid breakout amongst an equal amount of unvaccinated players?