Excited by these write ups. When do we get estimates on where they rank in our system? A few days?
They desperately need hittingYeah. What are the Brewers doing? They must love Renfroe.
Yeah, the jury's still out on that ... particularly in Fenway
So maybe JBJ in RF at Fenway? At least part-time?On the other hand, JBJ's the best arm they've acquired in the past week
My thoughts exactly. Major bonus that the prospects seem promising!Holy crap JBJ is back!!!
Love this. Not even sure it helps the team, but love it regardless.
Sure hope so. Montas is probably the top target and the A’s need everything, but especially outfielders. Now that we’re surely going over whatever the tax may be we may as well absorb Andrus or Piscotty for a year.I wonder if this frees up Jarren Duran to be used in a trade for pitching.
And who plays RF?JBJ/Arroyo platoon with Kiks bouncing between CF and 2B seems likely.
Guessing Verdugo, with one of JD/Schwarber in LF.And who plays RF?
Can’t wait to see you post better than this.Cant wait to see jbj suck if we have a season
There's Duran too, though that seems really unlikely.Guessing Verdugo, with one of JD/Schwarber in LF.
Whats wrong with telling the truth? Hes not very good anymore those are just facts.Can’t wait to see you post better than this.
Great job elsewhere everyone, thanks for keeping post quality standards high in this thread.
Yeah but look at the bat he brings.I for one welcome someone that can actually play centerfield defensively at the MLB level.
Get his hitting mojo BACK? I don’t think he ever had it in the first place.I'm a fan of this deal, as I think JBJ is young enough to get his hitting mojo back and I'd had it with Renfroe's "what's a cutoff man" defensive approach.
He wasn't very good last year and is probably not that good anymore. It's hardly a "fact."Whats wrong with telling the truth? Hes not very good anymore those are just facts.
Pretty much. I hope he does good i highly doubt it. He'll make some good plays in center for sure but it wont make up for the black holes he is in the box.He wasn't very good last year and is probably not that good anymore. It's hardly a "fact."
Maybe go into why you think he'll suck in 2022?
He had an OPS+ of 116 in 2020 and was a slightly below average hitter in the years before that. If he comes back and provides excellent defense and even a close-to-average bat as a 4th OF, he'll be a significant asset to the team.Get his hitting mojo BACK? I don’t think he ever had it in the first place.
Yeah, those years mean a lot though. He was a slightly below average hitter in his late 20s. He'll be 33 in April.He had an OPS+ of 116 in 2020 and was a slightly below average hitter in the years before that. If he comes back and provides excellent defense and even a close-to-average bat as a 4th OF, he'll be a significant asset to the team.
On defense, JBJ still floats like a butterfly ... but his bat no longer stings like a Killer BI feel like one's view on this trade is a perfect Rorschach test on how one understands roster construction in this era.
Not a big difference, but he's turning 32 in April.Yeah, those years mean a lot though. He was a slightly below average hitter in his late 20s. He'll be 33 in April.
That’s unfair to say. From May 5-25, 2016, JBJ hit .449/.525/.841/1.366 with 7 homers, 6 doubles, 11 BBs, and 12 k in 80 PAs over 19 games. He had massive mojo for those three weeks.Get his hitting mojo BACK? I don’t think he ever had it in the first place.
If they had three starting outfielders, this would be true; if however, they're counting on JBJ being a starter ... not so muchDanny Santana was essentially the Sox 4th outfielder in the playoffs this year. Going from him to JBJ would be a massive upgrade.
Agree 100%, I'm going on the assumption that they'll sign a 2ish win player for something like 1-12 before next season starts. Or maybe sign Schwarber with the idea of him or JDM playing LF for a year, though I wouldn't love that. (or JDM gets traded for said 2ish win OF after Schwarber is signed)If they had three starting outfielders, this would be true; if however, they're counting on JBJ being a starter ... not so much
Oh, ye of little faithIts really difficult to find issue with this trade.
And his defense wasn't nearly as good as his highlight reel throws made it look.Hunter Renfroes stats last year are confusing. He walked and struck out below his career norms, hit the ball hard below his career norm, hit the ball the other way a lot more frequently, hit few flies than normal, had fewer flies turn into homers than normal, but had his best season due to barreling way more balls than ever before. He was worth way more than the ~3 mill the Sox paid him, but nothing in his stats seem to show a guy who really changed anything. Seems like he was a perfect sell-high candidate
JBJ will regress to the mean and not be -12.8. Just how much the regression will be is anyone's guess. If he just goes above Mendoza, it should be at least an even trade.I'm a bit surprised baseball trade values has this as a slight loss for the Sox. They seem not as high on Binelas as many other people seem to be.
View: https://twitter.com/BaseballValues/status/1466266177655607298
How about these issues: Renfroe had an OPS+ of 112 this year, Bradley's was 34. Milwaukee is sending us no money in this deal. We are on the hook for 17.5 million owed Bradley for 2022 and for buying out his option in 2023. And what about those two prospects? In August they were ranked 16th and 17th in the Brewers farm system. And what about that farm system? In the spring Keith Law and Baseball America both ranked it 28th.Its really difficult to find issue with this trade. Adding prospects also seems like a decent hedge of players moving the needle on arbitration.
JBJ is moving to a more friendly ballpark and more support in the lineup. I just don't see how his OPS+ is anywhere near 34 next year. It was an outlier year. He usually has a K/BB ratio around 3. Last year it was above 4.5How about these issues: Renfroe had an OPS+ of 112 this year, Bradley's was 34. Milwaukee is sending us no money in this deal. We are on the hook for 17.5 million owed Bradley for 2022 and for buying out his option in 2023. And what about those two prospects? In August they were ranked 16th and 17th in the Brewers farm system. And what about that farm system? In the spring Keith Law and Baseball America both ranked it 28th.
In Chaim I have trusted but this deal seems outrageously one sided in favor of the Brewers.
I feel like we should lay off Rob. Jbj can’t hit, that is a fact. There have been some crazy streaks, but it’s been proven over time. We should know what we’re gettingHe wasn't very good last year and is probably not that good anymore. It's hardly a "fact."
Maybe go into why you think he'll suck in 2022?
The one place where the defense was set was centerfield. Hernandez at second is not good. Hoping JBJ is just depth. The prospects seem like a good deal.But really, I'm just glad for some inkling that the team realizes the defense was an issue.
The money is irrelevant. Despite what some people seem to think the Red Sox are not a cheap team. And prospects don't need to be that good to make up the difference between what JBJ and Renfroe will get paid over the next 1-2 years.How about these issues: Renfroe had an OPS+ of 112 this year, Bradley's was 34. Milwaukee is sending us no money in this deal. We are on the hook for 17.5 million owed Bradley for 2022 and for buying out his option in 2023. And what about those two prospects? In August they were ranked 16th and 17th in the Brewers farm system. And what about that farm system? In the spring Keith Law and Baseball America both ranked it 28th.
In Chaim I have trusted but this deal seems outrageously one sided in favor of the Brewers.
Yes, this trade just cannot be evaluated as a standalone. If we've done nothing else by the time the season starts (whenever that may be) then yeah it could be a stinker. But if this results in moving Verdugo over and re-signing Schwarber it could be great. And/or if it results in signing Seiya Suzuki, it could be great.The one place where the defense was set was centerfield. Hernandez at second is not good. Hoping JBJ is just depth. The prospects seem like a good deal.
Except Renfroe posted a 2.3 WAR last year while Jackie fell off a cliff and produced an MLB worst among regulars of -.07. And the money is relevant because of the luxury tax and the need to replace Renfroe's offensive production.The money is irrelevant. Despite what some people seem to think the Red Sox are not a cheap team. And prospects don't need to be that good to make up the difference between what JBJ and Renfroe will get paid over the next 1-2 years.