My thanks as well.Heads up - Boogie Nights leaves Netflix after Friday.
I'll be a little impressed if Bill sits out at least the next two Rewatchables and builds speculation that Boogie Nights was indeed his swansong on the pod.
My thanks as well.Heads up - Boogie Nights leaves Netflix after Friday.
Could just be available for rent/purchase.Any clue where Boogie Nights is headed after Netflix?
The first party scene and the montage of Dirk while they voice-over his clippings are my faves. Just... I've never seen people having such a good fucking time on screen before, and it's...wholesome? Despite all the crazy sex and shit going on? Because it's ultimately about finding your place and family. It made *me* feel like I was having a good time.So what do you all think is the most rewatchable scene? I rewatched the Sister Christian/Molina scene yesterday and it is a masterpiece of increasing tension. Even knowing what happens, I felt my stomach knotting.
The first time I saw it, when Molina starts pantomiming Russian roulette with the firecrackers going off I could barely watch. And the long, drawn-out shot of Wahlberg's face is just incredible.
Eddie and Reed meeting and bonding at that first party is wonderful. Simmons put it well when he said it was how third graders make friends. Wholesome, is an oddly apt way to put it, and it is bookended by a similarly (and even more overtly) wholesome scene at the end - Roller Girl literally is being told to clean up her room with the kind of eye-rolling parental affection usually reserved for commercials or multi-cam sit coms. All that's missing is a laugh track.The first party scene and the montage of Dirk while they voice-over his clippings are my faves. Just... I've never seen people having such a good fucking time on screen before, and it's...wholesome? Despite all the crazy sex and shit going on? Because it's ultimately about finding your place and family. It made *me* feel like I was having a good time.
And not to backtrack but I really don't see Drew Barrymore in this movie. It was so amazing when it came out because it felt like it was two people pulled out of mothballs (Reynolds and Wahlberg), and a bunch of talented nobodies that we hadn't really seen before. Having DB in it would have turned a minor character into something completely different.
Hey you workout at Vince’s? Oh no I would have seen you. I’m there every dayEddie and Reed meeting and bonding at that first party is wonderful. Simmons put it well when he said it was how third graders make friends.
Everything that comes out of John C. Reilly's mouth in that movie is pure gold. Actually, everything he does is pure gold. (Thinking about Reed dancing in the booth while Dirk records "You Got the Touch").Hey you workout at Vince’s? Oh no I would have seen you. I’m there every day
It's ridiculous to try to recast a movie that is perfectly cast. Even Melora Walters, whom Simmons tries to ding, is great in this movie.Eddie and Reed meeting and bonding at that first party is wonderful. Simmons put it well when he said it was how third graders make friends. Wholesome, is an oddly apt way to put it, and it is bookended by a similarly (and even more overtly) wholesome scene at the end - Roller Girl literally is being told to clean up her room with the kind of eye-rolling parental affection usually reserved for commercials or multi-cam sit coms. All that's missing is a laugh track.
Completely agree about Barrymore. The recasting ideas are all bad on this one.
A lot of people say he looks like Han SoloEverything that comes out of John C. Reilly's mouth in that movie is pure gold. Actually, everything he does is pure gold. (Thinking about Reed dancing in the booth while Dirk records "You Got the Touch").
I agree but the Sidney Sweeney part was hilarious. At least he’s acknowledging his huge crush on her and in on the bit. It was weird a few months ago when he would keep mentioning her out of nowhereIt's ridiculous to try to recast a movie that is perfectly cast. Even Melora Walters, whom Simmons tries to ding, is great in this movie.
I just called it up on Comcast and that seems to be the case. It usually will indicate if a movie is available on one of the streamers (including tubi, PlutoTV, and Freevee). For instance, Phantom Thread comes up with the same Rent/Buy option, but with a note that it is available on Netflix. Boogie Nights just comes up with the Rent/Buy option.Could just be available for rent/purchase.
He’s so incredible in this movie. It seemed clear from the script Reed was supposed to be a bigger dude, but nobody could’ve played it better than Reilly.Everything that comes out of John C. Reilly's mouth in that movie is pure gold. Actually, everything he does is pure gold. (Thinking about Reed dancing in the booth while Dirk records "You Got the Touch").
I started rewatching on Netflix on Friday night after listening to the whole 4 hours of Rewatchables on my commute the previous 3 days. But I started watching late and I had a brutal week so I packed it in for the night with a half-hour left, just before Dirk, Reed and Todd Parker visit Rahad. I had no idea that was the last night it was on Netflix so when I went to finish it last night, I ended up just having to rent it on Prime to see the rest. Should have paid another 5 bucks to buy it, actually. Maybe next time...I just called it up on Comcast and that seems to be the case. It usually will indicate if a movie is available on one of the streamers (including tubi, PlutoTV, and Freevee). For instance, Phantom Thread comes up with the same Rent/Buy option, but with a note that it is available on Netflix. Boogie Nights just comes up with the Rent/Buy option.
That was part of the deleted scenes discussion, so something they wrote and filmed but wasn’t in the released movie.Finally, they referred to Sheryl Lynn (Eddie Adams's girlfriend before he became Dirk Diggler) buying Eddie's parents' house. I didn't catch that on my rewatching -- was it a "blink an eye and miss it" kind of thing? I'd seen the movie a few times before over the years and always absolutely loved it but had never really examined it that closely.
I can relate, although I don't miss having a tower for DVDs, and a tower for CDs, and a tower for video games cluttering up my room. (R.I.P. physical media)The Boogie Nights episode was absolutely epic. It was so good that I've re-listened to several parts.
One note, I believe the movie is currently streaming for free (with ads) on the Roku Channel.
I'm so old that I watched it this past weekend on DVD. First DVD I've watched in years. It was oddly satisfying. As convenient as streaming is, I kinda miss the DVD experience.
Yup. I re-watched after listening too and honestly I feel like there’s a shitload going on in that movie that I’ve never really caught, even after seeing it 20+ times. In particular Ryan and Fennessey were so good in this episode.The Boogie Nights episode was absolutely epic. It was so good that I've re-listened to several parts.
One note, I believe the movie is currently streaming for free (with ads) on the Roku Channel.
I'm so old that I watched it this past weekend on DVD. First DVD I've watched in years. It was oddly satisfying. As convenient as streaming is, I kinda miss the DVD experience.
Didn’t turn out too well for that dude though.Did you guys listen to parent corner? Here is the Rewatchables relevance. Sal and Bill talkin' Cali High School football reminded me of the scene in Training Day that they talked about with the character who had an encyclopedic knowledge of that football scene. Seemed like they were both trying to become that guy.
Yeah, I suspect they lean into this a bit during football season when they are only doing one a week. But there is no way Simmons is retiring from one of the most successful pods out there when all it entails is him shooting the shit about movies he likes with his buddies. Plus there are still some classics out there they have not done yet, and I don't think Bill could let them do those movies without him being involved.I haven't listened yet, but my first thought when I saw the Pitch Perfect lineup was, "No Simmons, hmm."
I agree. But again, I'll applaud him for taking a few of these off to build the notion that he might be done with it--especially if he later comes back for a big one that they haven't done yet.Yeah, I suspect they lean into this a bit during football season when they are only doing one a week. But there is no way Simmons is retiring from one of the most successful pods out there when all it entails is him shooting the shit about movies he likes with his buddies. Plus there are still some classics out there they have not done yet, and I don't think Bill could let them do those movies without him being involved.
Having no dudes on this one - especially no Simmons- is a good thing.I haven't listened yet, but my first thought when I saw the Pitch Perfect lineup was, "No Simmons, hmm."
The Big Picture pod is awesome. The Avatar talk is truly exceptional, interesting, and funny. They cover a LOT of territory. More than you could have ever thought you wanted. Or needed. But after listening to it, I needed it all. And didn't realize I wanted it, too.And also Griffin and David are on the new Big Picture from today discussing Avatar and it’s cultural relevance prior to the sequel release later this year. I’m very excited to listen to both later this week. (Griffin was also on another SOSH favorite Doughboys discussing Muppet Treasure Island)
at one point David straight up asks Sean if Simmons is truly done with Rewatchables and Sean gets very cagey and noncommittal. So make of that what you will.And also Griffin and David are on the new Big Picture from today discussing Avatar and it’s cultural relevance prior to the sequel release later this year. I’m very excited to listen to both later this week. (Griffin was also on another SOSH favorite Doughboys discussing Muppet Treasure Island)
I always go "huh?" whenever he references being a big Raymond Carver fan (and he's done it a few times) because his storytelling/writing style is pretty much the opposite of Carver's.This a little off topic, but it occurred to me today that the way Simmons tells stories about his past often mimics the style that was popular in American short fiction from the 80s and 90s. "I used to have an illegal cable box. My buddy Steve convinced me to get it before he moved out. This was when I was living with my roommate Richard in the last apartment I would live in before I met my wife. Most nights, I'd come home from bartending and we'd watch illegal pay-per-view movies together." Maybe it's just that fiction from that time was trying hard to replicate how people tell stories.
They said right at the beginning that Simmons has bronchitis.I'm sure he'll be back at some point as he no doubt was busy with all the NBA pods he's done recently and doing this week, but this "Boogie Nights really was Bill's last Rewatchables" thing is growing.
That was their tribute to Simmons. Although he might have said 10 mill.They said right at the beginning that Simmons has bronchitis.
Kind of funny that they thought a $900,000 salary in 1992 would be worth $5,000,000 today. In reality it’s less than $2MM. Like, man, inflation isn’t THAT bad, guys.
Was it really? Is that a running gag?That was their tribute to Simmons. Although he might have said 10 mill.
Are you really going to make us do the Apex Mountain gag? 92 is also Scent of a Woman which may be the peak of his Hollywood juiceWas it really? Is that a running gag?
I have to say, I kind of wish Simmons was there for re-casting couch, if only to hear his bad ideas. "What about Tom Cruise instead of Baldwin? What about Charlie Sheen? How about Clint instead of Jack Lemmon?!"
Also, a couple of comments regarding the episode: I think this was a case where the two hosts were a little too enamored with the movie and their own history of liking it was slightly detrimental. I like GGGR, and it's undoubtedly a very good movie with some excellent acting, so I'm not saying it's undeserved or anything, but they unconsciously did some things that were annoying. For one, they almost immediately stopped referring to characters by the actors' names and went to the characters' names and despite seeing the movie 2-3 times, I was really confused who the hell they were talking about. This isn't Rocky IV where you KNOW who Rocky and Adrian and Drago are, it's a bunch of middle aged white guys with white guy names (Roma aside). Second, there's no fucking way GGGR is Al Pacino's Apex Mountain. Come the fuck on. Finally, Fennessy has the absolute least-convincing "tough guy" line readings/imitations I've ever heard.
Then Scent of a Woman is his Apex! Not an ensemble part in a box office bomb (a fact which they kind of gloss over. No, it's not that it was underappreciated, it fucking tanked.)Are you really going to make us do the Apex Mountain gag? 92 is also Scent of a Woman which may be the peak of his Hollywood juice
Based on the dumb rules of apex mountain (i.e. it's when the person had the greatest ability to make their desired projects happen in Hollywood, not when they were, like, good or at the height of their creative powers) it has to be Scent. After that he did two bits (never heard of it) but City Hall, Insider, Devil's Advocate, Carlito's Way, Heat, the Insider and Any Given Sunday--that's just seven back to back to back big budget dramas where he was the absolute (and, I believe, absolutely well paid) star. Fuck, he even made a documentary about playing Richard III in their, which I think would best be viewed, financially, as box office poison.Then Scent of a Woman is his Apex! Not an ensemble part in a box office bomb (a fact which they kind of gloss over. No, it's not that it was underappreciated, it fucking tanked.)
But using your logic, it still makes no sense. He was nominated for a best Supporting Actor award in Glengarry Glen Ross, which was released in October 1992 and bombed. He WON a Best Actor award for Scent of a Woman, which was released in late December, 1992 and was a big hit.This is yet another reason why the concept of Apex Mountain is so muddy. They can argue that this is Pacino's Apex Mountain, because they believe this is the better performance, it results in an Academy Award nomination, and it occurs in the same year Pacino won an Academy Award for what they consider an inferior performance. So the combo of Pacino having the juice from winning the Oscar and the excellence of this performance makes it his Apex Mountain.
It's not my logic; I'm just explaining theirs. And in truth, there's no real logic to the whole concept. This becomes really clear whenever they have a guest on the pod, and struggle to get them to understand this vague term.But using your logic, it still makes no sense. He was nominated for a best Supporting Actor award in Glengarry Glen Ross, which was released in October 1992 and bombed. He WON a Best Actor award for Scent of a Woman, which was released in late December, 1992 and was a big hit.
Glengarry Glen Ross, in and of itself, did nothing to juice his career. Hell, if anything, had SoaW not come out and saved it, his career might have been pretty dead as a box office draw; even an Academy Award Nom performance from Pacino couldn't save GGGR from tanking. That's where he was at in November, 1992. Hell, he was nominated the PREVIOUS YEAR for Dick Tracy and he still couldn't draw anybody to GGGR. Nobody gave a shit about Al Pacino except film buffs in 1992.
Chris wanted to call it his Apex Mountain because he knows Scent of a Woman is largely a kinda-shitty performance by Pacino and he just really likes this movie, but it doesn't make any sense by their own cockamamie logic.
No I know. It's a stupid category. But this particular example was the "I'm not voting for Pedro because pitchers don't get to be MVP even though I've never said that before" of the Apex Mountain discussion. Like, the logic is fuzzy but they've at least tried to adhere to it before. This time Chris just said "fuck it I'm piggybacking this with the other stuff because I used to quote this movie when I was 19."It's not my logic; I'm just explaining theirs. And in truth, there's no real logic to the whole concept. This becomes really clear whenever they have a guest on the pod, and struggle to get them to understand this vague term.
Right. It's not a particularly complex category, it's just one that (1) guests don't quite follow because it's a kind of weird and dumb question--when could person X get a project greenlit is just not that interesting and (2) the host don't follow all the time because BS is a totally undisciplined thinker--which is fine for a light comic podcaster!--and Chris and Sean are just trying to have a good discussion about film within the parameters of the showNo I know. It's a stupid category. But this particular example was the "I'm not voting for Pedro because pitchers don't get to be MVP even though I've never said that before" of the Apex Mountain discussion. Like, the logic is fuzzy but they've at least tried to adhere to it before. This time Chris just said "fuck it I'm piggybacking this with the other stuff because I used to quote this movie when I was 19."
Like I've said before, he is often useful as a foil to people who like a movie *too* much. He brings things back down to a relatable level, which at the end of the day is sort of what The Rewatchables is supposed to celebrate: finding common ground on why we like certain movies. So when Fennessy and CR start the discussion by saying they have watched the movie so much that they don't regard the Baldwin monolog as the most rewatchable seen anymore, and would rather rewatch more subtle interactions between the characters, that's where Simmons would voice the opinion of most of the audience and say "What the fuck are you TALKING about? Of COURSE that's the most rewatchable scene! No question!"In the other Ringer thread someone recommended a recent Big Picture episode about Avatar that featured Sean Fennessy. I listened yesterday and it was enjoyable, but it wasn't nearly as fun as The Rewatchables. There was a lot of people talking over each other and bringing an almost frantic energy at times. For all of Bill's warts, he does have a real talent for moderating fun discussions and getting a lot out of his co-hosts.
The whole movie is incredibly dark and sad. It was a weird listen in general, where all three of them just seemed to think it was a fun and funny movie until the New Year's party. Chris eventually suggested that maaaaybee Jack and Amber were actually predators? I was shocked that they didn't see this movie for what it really is, given that Chris and Sean do serious movie criticism. My theory is that they didn't want to ruin the experience for Bill.Man, that is a dark, dark scene.