Seems very angry. Have you considered meditation?What an incredibly punchable face.
hahaha...[pep galaxy brain intesifies]Of course, Pep will play him as a wing in some weird alignment during next year's Champions League semi-final that will cause us to fall short again.
Was there no oversight for a decade? In a like with 20 teams, it’s not like it’s hard to observe who is doing what and when a line may be crossed. I agree with the poster who wrote that the timing suggests something bigger, a more strategic play.Is this the sporting equivalent of stating the obvious?
The UK government have been proposing a commission on regulating football of some sorts and this may well be the PL trying to keep the government outWas there no oversight for a decade? In a like with 20 teams, it’s not like it’s hard to observe who is doing what and when a line may be crossed. I agree with the poster who wrote that the timing suggests something bigger, a more strategic play.
Mr. Pot, let me introduce you to Mr. Kettle.Having said that, I’m completely exhausted of this topic. It’s very likely a stitch up, like the last one was, but if I learned anything the last time it’s that fans of other clubs just aren’t capable of coming at this topic with anything but their biases. The Prem have been after City for years and got their headline today with “100 charges” and there is literally nothing City can do which will not result in my spending hours typing words absolutely nobody will ever pay any attention to. It sucks but that CAS case was as much of a full exoneration as you’ll ever see and years later it’s still all “you got by on a technicality”
Earnestly, I’m not doing this again. The only clarification I’ll make is that the independent regulator may be more of a “why now” than a “why ever” but the league may feel pressure to bring something and had this investigation ongoing.Mr. Pot, let me introduce you to Mr. Kettle.
As far as this being a ploy to undercut the notion of an independent regulator, that idea just doesn't hold any water whatsoever. The investigation has been going on for four years, they're not just making up something in the last week because a government white paper is dropping soon. And there's no better way to ensure an independent regulator than conducting a sham investigation of one of the league's biggest and most powerful clubs, with the best lawyers money can buy,, that proves to be a sham once the details are revealed.
So this is just Cancelo culture gone too far?Cancelo deal was fishy and with Juve taking a hit there could be something there as well.
Yeah, there's (Allegedly) intentional deception on the terms of sponsorship deals, salaries paid to club staff, etc. Pushing the envelope within the rules is one thing, and we can lament that but it's categorically different than straight-up lying to your regulators. Both of those things should be on the table, as Juventus can tell them.They should be looking at a relegation and transfer ban for a couple of years as punishment for all these charges, if the rules are to have any purpose.
Speechless. Even in the Man City thread, you're a legend.So this is just Cancelo culture gone too far?
It really was top notch. Deserves kudosSpeechless. Even in the Man City thread, you're a legend.
But you did win. A lot.If you want the perspective of a City fan I’m just giving it to you: it’s clear we can’t and won’t ever win.
Yes, and I supported City before any of this happened so it doesn’t much matter to me.But you did win. A lot.
They can take away things on paper, but you watched and celebrated on the field.
Several things can be true at once.The UK government have been proposing a commission on regulating football of some sorts and this may well be the PL trying to keep the government out
Having said that, I’m completely exhausted of this topic. It’s very likely a stitch up, like the last one was, but if I learned anything the last time it’s that fans of other clubs just aren’t capable of coming at this topic with anything but their biases. The Prem have been after City for years and got their headline today with “100 charges” and there is literally nothing City can do which will not result in my spending hours typing words absolutely nobody will ever pay any attention to. It sucks but that CAS case was as much of a full exoneration as you’ll ever see and years later it’s still all “you got by on a technicality”
It seems this investigation will be led by someone from Arsenal and he gets to pick who is on the board , so that is lovely. Whatever will be will be. 30 of the 100 charges are for non compliance with the investigation, supposedly, so we will probably at least get in trouble again for not participating in an unfair process, which will be used by fans of other clubs as a reason to claim it was all cheating anyway.
I have said many times that I don’t think any club is completely clean. Chelsea got caught with some dealings on youth players and City have had a similar model so there could be something there. Cancelo deal was fishy and with Juve taking a hit there could be something there as well. The accusation, though, of widespread financial fraud means that some of the most audited accounts in the history of football by both internal and external auditors has been lacking. That has happened before in other corporate scandals but I hope the PL is aware of what it is accusing some very big companies of doing. If this case turns out again to be innuendo, hacked emails, and interpretations of rules then I think the PL itself has made a huge mistake
Does CAS have jurisdiction here? I’ve seen some reporting that since it is the EPL bringing the charges, rather than UEFA, there’s no appeal to CAS, but I have no idea if that’s right or not.The challenge of course will be the fact that CAS overturned their previous 2-year UCL ban, so everyone involved needs to operate with the assumption that CAS will prevent any sanctions from having any teeth. I'm sure City and PSG are upping their monthly retainers to CAS's judges as we speak.
Having a club run by members may be a way to avoid private investors taking over clubs and pushing through measures that prioritise profit over the wishes of supporters (so avoiding under-spending), and it probably avoids financial shell company shenanigans, but I'm not convinced that it always leads to financial prudence. Isn't Barcelona largely run by the socis appointing the board? Feels like fans might be willing to authorize spending beyond a club's means on the hope that it results in better results, qualification for Europe, and increased revenue.
- The best way for the government to be in, if they actually want to fix this, is to institute something akin to Germany's 50%+1 rule. Which is that a nonprofit composed of club membership independent from the operators and financial interests of the football first team, must have a majority on the ultimate decision-making authority body. And they can appoint another entity (such as CFG Ltd) to operate the first team and take whatever-percentage of profits from it, but the ultimate responsibility (and legal liability) rests with people who are not those operators
It seems like all of these proposed sanctions are PL-imposed and have a direct effect only on the domestic league. So while that may have downstream effects on qualifying for UEFA competitions, it is different from UEFA itself directly banning them like last time.Can the PL even control who UEFA invites for its competitions? (I don't know the answer to that)
It's a fair question and a reasonable thing to doubt. I don't know whether truly independent boards would result in financial prudence. But if the biggest and most immediate problem is the financial shell-games and misrepresentations. UAE government higher-ups like Mubarak won't worry about legal liability from the UK; but an independent board run by local brits, whose financial oversight subcommittee has to sign on the dotted line, I expect would.Having a club run by members may be a way to avoid private investors taking over clubs and pushing through measures that prioritise profit over the wishes of supporters (so avoiding under-spending), and it probably avoids financial shell company shenanigans, but I'm not convinced that it always leads to financial prudence. Isn't Barcelona largely run by the socis appointing the board? Feels like fans might be willing to authorize spending beyond a club's means on the hope that it results in better results, qualification for Europe, and increased revenue.
To be clear, I think the Germany rule works when we're talking about German teams run by German fans - I'm just not sure the structure works independent of the cultural context.
I think they'd have to do it by manipulating their league finishes via point deductions. With a big enough point deduction for 22-23 and 23-24, the PL can effectively keep them out of Europe for two years if they want.Can the PL even control who UEFA invites for its competitions? (I don't know the answer to that)
I’ve seen that as well - no appeal to CAS is possible - which is how they escaped the UEFA sanctions.A reporter is tweeting that city can’t appeal this under premier league rules. I wonder how true that is
They want to Make Ameyric Great Again.So this is just Cancelo culture gone too far?