Further to your point, a few teams had similar gambles blow up in their faces in the 2021 draft.And hey, all the teeth gnashing about Mac aside, imagine you're Carolina and you traded a first round pick to move up to pick a guy who is 5'9" and has no great physical tools? So the team is going to have the first pick again this year, except it goes to Chicago.
Could be worse.
I'm guessing it would take a bit more than a 2nd. Tyreek hill went for a 1st, 2nd, two 4ths and a 6th the next season.Brandon Aiyuk breaks that chart. Going into his final contract year next season and SF has to run out of cap space at some point right? Would probably take a 2nd but he'd probably be worth it.
For all of the hand wringing about Mac's supporting cast, Young's is probably worse all across the board. Their pass catching corps is vomitous....the OL was supposed to be a strength but really hasn't yet.And hey, all the teeth gnashing about Mac aside, imagine you're Carolina and you traded a first round pick to move up to pick a guy who is 5'9" and has no great physical tools? So the team is going to have the first pick again this year, except it goes to Chicago.
Could be worse.
I know this has been talked about but I don't think it's been talked about enough.I don’t want Mac on next year’s team. Culture matters. From the number of leaks about him, plus what we can observe for ourselves on the field, he’s not a leader. And he’s not materially more talented than journeymen like Jacoby Brissett or Mitch Trubisky who will be available this offseason at a nominal cost. Better to move on, even if the Pats don’t want to bet big on any of the available options in free agency or the draft.
Agree. Brees is an all-time top 10 QB. Wilson and Murray are dramatically better athletes than Young. None are encouraging comps.Yeah, Bryce Young was a great anticipatory thrower in college and had very good ability to create out of structure and deliver the ball with elite placement, but the combo of being that small, not being fast and having a meh at best arm is super tough to overcome at the pro level. If you can't see the field and the windows are closing much faster, your ability to anticipate has to be historically good for you to consistently deliver the ball accurately and on time. Drew Brees had that, but he was also taller. Russell Wilson is much stronger and has a way better arm, Kyler is faster and has a cannon, there just aren't many guys of Young's profile to call back to. Maybe Doug Flutie or even going back further Fran Tarkenton?
I know this post was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but I’m perfectly fine rolling with a one-year bridge guy if BB doesn’t think anyone who’s available is the right long-term solution. The Pats’ offensive woes extend well beyond the QB position; if they have a path to relevance in 2024, it involves pairing a near-elite D with a good-enough offense. They can do that with a game manager at QB. (Of course, if BB thinks the QB of future is available in the draft, I’ll gladly forgo the glory of a 10-7 season and take some lumps next year to set the Pats up for the future.)Mac Jones: so bad he'll make you talk yourself into Mitch Trubiskey! Dear God. Let's please not go down that road.
I think he has that, it's just that if he were 6'3 those traits would show up consistently, at his height it's just hard. Everyone is tall and fast, if you have to find ways to actually see what's going on particularly to the middle of the field, that window closes fast. He'll have to throw blind half the time. I still think his anticipation is good enough that he could eventually do it, but early on as a rookie while he's still learning the speed of the game, no way.Agree. Brees is an all-time top 10 QB. Wilson and Murray are dramatically better athletes than Young. None are encouraging comps.
If you’re a below-average athlete for the position (and at the NFL level, Young is), you need some other preternatural trait or skill — Rodgers’s arm, Burrow’s pocket presence, Tua’s accuracy. I suppose the Panthers thought Young’s processing and decisionmaking were that special trait. The early returns aren’t great.
I know this post was made with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but I’m perfectly fine rolling with a one-year bridge guy if BB doesn’t think anyone who’s available is the right long-term solution. The Pats’ offensive woes extend well beyond the QB position; if they have a path to relevance in 2024, it involves pairing a near-elite D with a good-enough offense. They can do that with a game manager at QB. (Of course, if BB thinks the QB of future is available in the draft, I’ll gladly forgo the glory of a 10-7 season and take some lumps next year to set the Pats up for the future.)
He's too small. I am absolutely giving up. But you are right, Tepper is doing things in Carolina and ALL of it was bad.For all of the hand wringing about Mac's supporting cast, Young's is probably worse all across the board. Their pass catching corps is vomitous....the OL was supposed to be a strength but really hasn't yet.
I'm not giving up on Young, although the trade looks really bad right now.
what veteran options are a better bet than Mac next year?It doesn't make any sense to cut him now but to bring him back next year would be incomprehensible. We will have QB options at the top of the draft along with bringing in a veteran stopgap who knows what he's there for. Bill can coach the team but I don't want him within 3 miles of that grocery store!
It's about the rookie option who won't have Mac in the way with another veteran there to help guide him...not the veteran being a better option.what veteran options are a better bet than Mac next year?
I don’t see any benefit in cutting Mac and nobody is trading for him. If they draft someone and that guy is ready day 1, sure, cut Mac but I’m skeptical the Pats go QB in the 1st unless one of the big 2 is there and the next tier of guys might not be week 1 ready
Would have been more easy to tell if his snap counts for the first 6 games weren't 41%, 8%, 24%, 33%, 7%, inactive. He's still at only 41% on offensive snaps on the season. Genius offensive mind, Bill Belichick.Well, it says he has some underlying numbers that look really good. Volume matters though. Can it be sustained?
I am a firm believer that this team would be in contention for the playoffs (maybe the division with a healthy D) with average QB play and instead half this forum wants to fire the best coach of all time and his assistants. I would be yelling like that as well if I was BOB.Mac's present:
View: https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/1723737338147123331?s=20
Bill O’Brien PISSED at Mac Jones
The best coach of all time put this entire shitshow together. You don't get to extract bits and piecs of BB. The QB, the coaches, everything. He owns every single bit of this. ENOUGH.I am a firm believer that this team would be in contention for the playoffs (maybe the division with a healthy D) with average QB play and instead half this forum wants to fire the best coach of all time and his assistants. I would be yelling like that as well if I was BOB.
God Mac sucks so much.
Who is the guy most responsible for the Pats QB situation.I am a firm believer that this team would be in contention for the playoffs (maybe the division with a healthy D) with average QB play and instead half this forum wants to fire the best coach of all time and his assistants. I would be yelling like that as well if I was BOB.
God Mac sucks so much.
Get Grier ready to go during the bye, then, because Zappe is Mac with even greater physical limitations.Can’t take another snap.
Hence why I said the team was good if the QB did not suck.The best coach of all time put this entire shitshow together. You don't get to extract bits and piecs of BB. The QB, the coaches, everything. He owns every single bit of this. ENOUGH.
I thought the one thing everyone agreed on was that Mac was the correct pick.Who is the guy most responsible for the Pats QB situation.
AmenI am a firm believer that this team would be in contention for the playoffs (maybe the division with a healthy D) with average QB play and instead half this forum wants to fire the best coach of all time and his assistants. I would be yelling like that as well if I was BOB.
God Mac sucks so much.
The team would be good if the QB did not suck. Got it.Hence why I said the team was good if the QB did not suck.
"ENOUGH" are you ok?
Having a plan B?I thought the one thing everyone agreed on was that Mac was the correct pick.
Not sure what people expected of BB here.
I wanted Fields. I think Bill and McDaniels could’ve done some interesting stuff with him.I thought the one thing everyone agreed on was that Mac was the correct pick.
Not sure what people expected of BB here.
He had a plan B and plan B threw another pick.Having a plan B?
Like I said the other day: his play gets people fired. BoB has every right to be livid.Mac's present:
View: https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/1723737338147123331?s=20
Bill O’Brien PISSED at Mac Jones
He won't even be a backup. He can't throw the ball.Mac's future is ovah. I'm sure he can stay in the NFL as a backup but this was the final nail in the coffin for him as a starter, at least with this team. And it's hard to see another team wanting him to be THEIR starting QB.
How many teams have Plan B backups who are capable of stepping in and taking over a team for the future? Not many, unless maybe one is sitting behind a HoF QB aging out.Having a plan B?
Edit: I mean, are there other examples of a team riding with its terrible QB solely because their backup is so bad as to be nearly unplayable?
Usually a team that is relying on a bad QB will try to find a backup capable of stepping in.
The Blue Bombers are 14-4 and lead the CFL in points for. They don't want Mac.He won't even be a backup. He can't throw the ball.
Get ready to learn Canadian, kid I hear Winnipeg is lovely this time of year.
I agree with this actually, but can't blame them for not trading up for a guy who I still have hope for but might also be a bust.I wanted Fields. I think Bill and McDaniels could’ve done some interesting stuff with him.
He's mentally broken right now, so it's possible he could step in and be a backup somewhere else with a fresh start. He'll get 1-2 more chances probably.He won't even be a backup. He can't throw the ball.
Get ready to learn Canadian, kid I hear Winnipeg is lovely this time of year.
The Pats football operation, once the class of the league, looks to me like a Potemkin village.He had a plan B and plan B threw another pick.
They need to cut him. Now. He has no place on this team and his mere presence is a distraction they do not need. He is a net negative in all ways.Mac's immediate future has to be third/emergency quarterback out of the bye
I mean it depends what the goal is - but the Patriots aren't a borderline playoff team trying to eke out another win or two to get to the postseason. If you're going to suck, why not suck your way to a better draft pick? Is getting to 4 wins really the priority? If there was a young QB waiting in the wings that you wanted to give a shot to, sure... but that doesn't seem to be the caseHaving a plan B?
Edit: I mean, are there other examples of a team riding with its terrible QB solely because their backup is so bad as to be nearly unplayable?
Usually a team that is relying on a bad QB will try to find a backup capable of stepping in.
Fields would have been even worse, he is a slower processor than Mac. They would have needed to implement an entire new offensive system for Fields, who I was also a fan of coming out. Honestly the 2021 QB class will likely go down as the most disappointing in decades.I wanted Fields. I think Bill and McDaniels could’ve done some interesting stuff with him.
He takes no accountability in press conferences and has repeatedly made odd little snarky comments about his teammates.I was both pissed – putrid throw, awful awful awful in a "big" spot (not really, but you know what I mean) – and what I'll call "late April relieved," but I have a little space in my heart and soul for Mac. What a big bad moment for him. What a long flight into a long lay-off. Just brutal.
It is not remotely unusual to see backup QBs step in and contribute in the NFL. Even BB's Patriots saw it with Cassel and Jimmy G.How many teams have Plan B backups who are capable of stepping in and taking over a team for the future? Not many, unless maybe one is sitting behind a HoF QB aging out.
Which teammate made him short-arm a throw that failed to even reach his wide open in the endzone receiver?He takes no accountability in press conferences and has repeatedly made odd little snarky comments about his teammates.
Fuck him. He should feel awful. He played awful. He's the worst player in the league. He never improves. I don't feel bad for him, and I never want to see him on my television again. He's not a good guy. He's not a leader. He's a tennis player-type snotty prick who never gets better.
BOB tore into him on the sidelines for his idiotic toss-it-up play and he proceeded to make an even more egregiously stupid play with the interception.Honestly, I was a little surprised they threw Zappe in there for the final drive. You don't usually see that. But, to me, that means Mac isn't starting next week.
None, that's my point. It's Mac that's the problem.Which teammate made him short-arm a throw that failed to even reach his wide open in the endzone receiver?
I was thrilled with that benching because is was so well earned and richly deserved .BOB tore into him on the sidelines for his idiotic toss-it-up play and he proceeded to make an even more egregiously stupid play with the interception.
I wasn't surprised. The coaching staff had finally seen enough. They knew that they had zero shot of winning the game with Mac continuing to play.