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EvilEmpire

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Has that ever happened in the NFL before? Meaning a coach who is willing to keep coaching a team gets relieved of their duties and is told to go home but is still bound by their contract and can't work elsewhere unless the team releases them, presumably with compensation?
 

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Anybody see Kraft on Gameday a few minutes ago? Boilerplate appearance/comments about patriotism, unity, etc. for the most part. At the end of the segment they asked about this season. Right at the end Mcafee says “ I don’t envy your position”. Awkward silence. “What’s about to happen “. More awkward silence. Then quick thanks, handshakes, and goodbye. Kind of uncomfortable.
 

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Bill was great on College Game Day. I firmly believe he remembers every play of every game he's ever seen.

It was great to hear him talk outside of this craptastic season.

And McAfee trolling the fan base calling him the greatest coach AND GM in NFL History. He emphasized that people forget what a great GM he's been.
 

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Bill was great on College Game Day. I firmly believe he remembers every play of every game he's ever seen.

It was great to hear him talk outside of this craptastic season.

And McAfee trolling the fan base calling him the greatest coach AND GM in NFL History. He emphasized that people forget what a great GM he's been.
Is it trolling if it could legit be argued he is the best GM?
 

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Is it trolling if it could legit be argued he is the best GM?
yeah, that;s the thing. Bill has had a bad stretch as GM here.... before that he was right up there with anyone else. He put together a 20 year run as constant title contenders... no GM has ever done that, most GMs even with all-time great QBs can't put together 7 years. He did it in a quiet not flashy way usually, but his roster work was one of the key points of the triangle with his coaching and Brady. I think people underestimate how hard and good what he did was and overestimate the success other GMs have.
 

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Anybody see Kraft on Gameday a few minutes ago? Boilerplate appearance/comments about patriotism, unity, etc. for the most part. At the end of the segment they asked about this season. Right at the end Mcafee says “ I don’t envy your position”. Awkward silence. “What’s about to happen “. More awkward silence. Then quick thanks, handshakes, and goodbye. Kind of uncomfortable.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/awkward-air-moment-between-pat-185450881.html
 

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both partes need to move on

ne needs a more morden off there are too slow at rb wr and they need a better ol

bill needs a fresh start if i was mr kraft i wouild to trade bill to ATL here why
atl has no qb good running game good te in pitts blank wouild give up a 1st i think
 

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I’ve been on vacation. Had a little time to clear my mind.

I’m officially in the “keep Bill, hire a new GM or President of Football Operations or Minister of Player Drafting or Duke of Drafting or whatever that he would work well with” camp.

He needs help drafting. I think he’s still an excellent coach.
 

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I’ve been on vacation. Had a little time to clear my mind.

I’m officially in the “keep Bill, hire a new GM or President of Football Operations or Minister of Player Drafting or Duke of Drafting or whatever that he would work well with” camp.

He needs help drafting. I think he’s still an excellent coach.
I don't disagree, but I think it's unlikely Bill would agree to such a change.
 

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I don't disagree, but I think it's unlikely Bill would agree to such a change.
He won't give up decision-making authority, but there are lots of ways short of that to shore up the personnel dept. It's not like Bill is traveling the country scouting these guys. He probably needs better information and analysis from a dept that's been hollowed out by departures. And he needs guys that will challenge his assumptions and persuade him, even if he's ultimately deciding which moves to make.
 

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He won't give up decision-making authority, but there are lots of ways short of that to shore up the personnel dept. It's not like Bill is traveling the country scouting these guys. He probably needs better information and analysis from a dept that's been hollowed out by departures. And he needs guys that will challenge his assumptions and persuade him, even if he's ultimately deciding which moves to make.
To our knowledge this is all already taking place. That’s not enough of a change to move the needle IMO.
 

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To our knowledge this is all already taking place. That’s not enough of a change to move the needle IMO.
I mean... is it? They have not added much to the personnel department recently, just promoted guys like Groh as the top guys leave. Bringing in some new voices would go a long way
 

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To our knowledge this is all already taking place. That’s not enough of a change to move the needle IMO.
If you want Bill to stay, I think that's the deal. If you want to empower a new GM, I think it's with a new HC. (Could work with Mayo, or an outside candidate.)
 

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I mean... is it? They have not added much to the personnel department recently, just promoted guys like Groh as the top guys leave. Bringing in some new voices would go a long way
It’s not like the personnel department is shrinking. But I agree some new blood would be good. Just not sure how much of an impact that would have.
 

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I’ve been on vacation. Had a little time to clear my mind.

I’m officially in the “keep Bill, hire a new GM or President of Football Operations or Minister of Player Drafting or Duke of Drafting or whatever that he would work well with” camp.

He needs help drafting. I think he’s still an excellent coach.
I disagree that he needs to be replaced as GM. The team has drafted relatively well. My plan would he as follows. This is predicated on my belied that even though Bill has the final say; he leans heavily on talent underneath him for input. We have never heard anyone say he acts as a dictator or doesn't receive input. From a coaching perspective, he hasn't lost the team.

1.) Bring back personnel staff he's familiar with to help bolster the teams overall personnel moves. We tend to focus on the draft, but a large percentage of all drafted players don't turn into household names. There's trades, FA and undrafted who are all part of the total package.
2.) Bring back McDaniels. He's leaned on for solving the QB situation and the current conundrum either as an Assistant HC or OC. Prefer him as a game caller over BOB. His input alongside a bolstered front office drives who they go with next year.
3.) Top positions needed.
A.) Offensive Line. Offensive Line. Offensive line.
B.) WR/3DRB
C.) TE
D.) Extentions of Duggar/Mills.

Overall, I've been watching this team for 25+ years. It would be a travesty for Kraft to fire Bill after one losing season. You let him retire here and rebuild with Top draft picks and the cap space they have. You let him slot McDaniels back in and turn the program around. We have been spoiled and lots of these comments prove that.
 

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If he goes, I'd love to see what BB would do as coach of a DIII school like the one he attended. That's probably the kind of shit he would *really* like to do.
 

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Seems to be some parallels to the Andy Reid in Philly era, just without all those shiny rings. Philly was exhausted with Reid and quite honestly Reid seemed a little tired of Philly. I have no idea how BB feels about it all but there's obviously some frustration or exhaustion as evident by this thread.

Would Reid have enjoyed similar success he's had in KC had he stayed in Philly? Or with hindsight was that a win/win for both parties? Is there a lesson there that may apply here?
 

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There will be no middle ground here. Bill either stays with the team with his current role and responsibilities. Or the 2 sides agree to make a clean break.
 

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I think he would absolutely hate college recruiting.
Yep. And the NIL stuff. (Although that's not really going to apply at a DIII school.) He would have loved coaching college football in the 1950s. Probably not now.

He'd be good in the broadcast booth. He'd deadpan everything but educate us all.
 

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Strange that he would have sat on this info several weeks. If he's wrong that's also a pretty serious hit to his credibility covering the team. Buckle up.
In the old days maybe. Tomase was just quoted in the Red Sox forum. Man still has a job, albeit not covering football specifically. Hot takes and manufactured bullshit are not the death sentence that they once were.
 

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All he has to say is Kraft had a change of heart or some other BS and ^poof^ everyone forgets and he's on to the next hot take.
 

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He’s been teasing this intermittently for over a month, if you listen to enough of his content, but he quickly backs off whenever his commentary is cited as a ‘report’ and blames the aggregators/media for misrepresenting the framing of his commentary.
 

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I wouldn't read too much into "sitting on it." Pretty big bomb - if true - that requires a lot of sourcing and confirmation.
 

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Honestly - I don't see it. I have solidly been on Team "Move on from BB" for awhile now, but I don't think Kraft will.
Also, this is easy as hell to backtrack on. Third hand reports make for good fodder and can easily be explained away. If Curran is right, he looks like he really does have some inside track. If he's wrong, he walks it back as a change of heart or something at the end of the season changed his mind or this was all a smokeshow or one of a thousand reasons. No harm in throwing it out there.
 

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In the old days maybe. Tomase was just quoted in the Red Sox forum. Man still has a job, albeit not covering football specifically. Hot takes and manufactured bullshit are not the death sentence that they once were.
I get that but BB holds famously holds grudges and I don't think the Krafts like having their pre-decision-making aired for public consumption. Although I suppose there's a version of this where Jonathan wants the story out there. (Doesn't seem like Robert's style.)
 

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I get that but BB holds famously holds grudges and I don't think the Krafts like having their pre-decision-making aired for public consumption. Although I suppose there's a version of this where Jonathan wants the story out there. (Doesn't seem like Robert's style.)
I'm sure as hell not saying that the divorce definitely isn't happening. I'm saying that Curran reporting this doesn't mean anything anymore, and that he's not out on some limb that'll cause blowback for him if it proves to be untrue.
 

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Strange that he would have sat on this info several weeks. If he's wrong that's also a pretty serious hit to his credibility covering the team. Buckle up.
I believe he (Tom Curran) said as much on his Patriots Talk podcast last week after the Steelers game. But it was said without a lot of drama or fanfare. He does seem to have his sources in Foxboro.
 

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I believe he (Tom Curran) said as much on his Patriots Talk podcast last week after the Steelers game. But it was said without a lot of drama or fanfare. He does seem to have his sources in Foxboro.
I didn't catch that but from what I've heard from him he's been careful to draw a line between his own speculation/opinion and reporting, and this is his first real foray into the latter on an actual decision on Bill's future. If he's wrong I think he can spin it to Johnny Public but it's going to be harder to walk back with Bill, the Krafts and his other team sources.
 

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I still think BB is great, and I wish he would pass Shula as the HC of the NEP. And it will be difficult to find someone as good as him (nay, virtually impossible).

HOWEVER...

It's not like there aren't other good coaches out there who have shown they can win pretty big. The Pats absolutely need to get that decision right, however. Can't blunder away the next QB's rookie contract on a bad coach.
 

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Seems unlikely that anyone outside of the Krafts would know what will happen to Belichick. And it seems even more unlikely that they would share that info with a replacement level local reporter.

Curran’s report could end up being correct. But if so, it’s not due to some special access that Curran has to someone in the know.
 

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Something called the "Score" app is reporting that the Patriots have decided to part ways with BB at the end of this season. They have 287,000 followers on Threads. Don't know if that's real or not.
 

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Something called the "Score" app is reporting that the Patriots have decided to part ways with BB at the end of this season. They have 287,000 followers on Threads. Don't know if that's real or not.
My guess is they are citing Curran’s piece. This is how it works. A reporter puts something out for clicks. It gets picked up by other outlets as fact and they get clicks. And round and round we go.

edit: yep crediting Tom Curran.
 
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Jokes at recent frustrations aside, it’d be absolutely insane to part ways with BB. Maybe there’s behind the scenes tensions, but this is the GOAT.
 

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My guess is they are citing Curran’s piece. This is how it works. A reporter puts something out for clicks. It gets picked up by other outlets as fact and they get clicks. And round and round we go.

edit: yep crediting Tom Curran.
Not that Barstool is exactly Frank DeFord, but they’re running with it too.
 

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My guess is they are citing Curran’s piece. This is how it works. A reporter puts something out for clicks. It gets picked up by other outlets as fact and they get clicks. And round and round we go.

edit: yep crediting Tom Curran.
Not too pleased with Kraft if this wasn't mutual. He should retire a Patriot...but maybe Kraft felt that way about Tom and held a grudge on how that went down. Not sure, but I hope this isn't true.
 

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Not too pleased with Kraft if this wasn't mutual. He should retire a Patriot...but maybe Kraft felt that way about Tom and held a grudge on how that went down. Not sure, but I hope this isn't true.
Curran could back off this at any moment, though he declined to in an WEEI interview from this afternoon. It’s a bit odd - and I could therefore buy into the idea this is a trial balloon - because he’s basically just formally doubling down on things he’s been suggesting or intimating for a month plus, especially around the time of the Germany trip. If you got this info back then…..why report it now? He doesn’t cite any more recent information. It’s possible he feels safer underlining it now/calling his shit because they’re no longer a threat to salvage the second half of the season with a big winning steak, too, but I can see the argument that he’s being used/allowing himself to be used.
 

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There seems to be a lot of sources reporting that Belichick and the Pats are parting ways at the end of the year. Maybe it’s all noise, but Occam’s razor and all that…
 

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Seems unlikely that anyone outside of the Krafts would know what will happen to Belichick. And it seems even more unlikely that they would share that info with a replacement level local reporter.

Curran’s report could end up being correct. But if so, it’s not due to some special access that Curran has to someone in the know.
Could be a trial balloon.
Good chance the Krafts don’t even know what they’re doing yet.
 
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