2024 NBA Awards

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If it hasn't already been posted elsewhere, here's the award tracker:

View: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit


Real early, but a couple of things so far:

-Jokic has finished first on 15 of 18 MVP ballots
-Jokic/Doncic/SGA have been on all 7 1st team all-NBA ballots, Tatum/Giannis were on 6 of them.
-Gobert finished first in 10 of 13 DPOY ballots
-Wemby is sweeping the ROY voting
-MIP (Maxey/White) and 6th man (Reid/Monk) could be close
-Daigneault has finished first on 8 of 9 ballots
 

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Alex Caruso gets the NBA's Hustle Award. Presumably because he's a white guy who wears a sweatband on his head. "he's just like us, the voters, if we happened to try as hard as he does!"

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40070089/bulls-alex-caruso-honored-nba-hustle-award

(the guy is a great defender and I hope he makes all-defense again to get recognized for it)

> Toronto Raptors forward Scottie Barnes was second in the voting, followed by Golden State Warriors guard Brandin Podziemski, Oklahoma City Thunder guard Luguentz Dort and Charlotte Hornets forward Grant Williams.

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Alex Caruso gets the NBA's Hustle Award. Presumably because he's a white guy who wears a sweatband on his head. "he's just like us, the voters, if we happened to try as hard as he does!"
Geez dude. Maybe it's also cause you know every time you watch a Bulls game the guy is diving on the floor and throwing his body around?
 

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Alex Caruso gets the NBA's Hustle Award. Presumably because he's a white guy who wears a sweatband on his head. "he's just like us, the voters, if we happened to try as hard as he does!"

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40070089/bulls-alex-caruso-honored-nba-hustle-award

(the guy is a great defender and I hope he makes all-defense again to get recognized for it)

> Toronto Raptors forward Scottie Barnes was second in the voting, followed by Golden State Warriors guard Brandin Podziemski, Oklahoma City Thunder guard Luguentz Dort and Charlotte Hornets forward Grant Williams.

!!
There are no voters for this award. And, Marcus Smart is a 3 time winner.
https://Twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/1786072509395226728
 

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With Rudy Gobert being announced as the DPOY (his 4th award, tied with Mutombo and Ben Wallace as the only 4-time winners), we now have most of the individual awards known:

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From the ballot tracker above, Jokic appears to be running away with the MVP award (which would be his 3rd).

Victor Wembanyama finished second in the DPOY voting. :oops:

And seems like Tatum and Brunson are head-to-head for the 5th spot on the All-NBA First Team.
 

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Luka getting more MVP points than Tatum, Ant, and Giannis COMBINED, is crazytown. Unless they're only counting offense.
 

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Luka getting more MVP points than Tatum, Ant, and Giannis COMBINED, is crazytown. Unless they're only counting offense.
Giannis should have gotten more love, but I can definitely see why Luka got more votes than those other guys. Like it or not, you take Luka off Dallas and they are a terrible, bottom 10 team in the league. Take Ant or Tatum off theirs and those teams still make the playoffs
 

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Giannis should have gotten more love, but I can definitely see why Luka got more votes than those other guys. Like it or not, you take Luka off Dallas and they are a terrible, bottom 10 team in the league. Take Ant or Tatum off theirs and those teams still make the playoffs
You think a Wolves team, without Ant, and led by Gobert and Towns would make the playoffs in the West??
 

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It's funny that Luka gets credit for dragging his teams to the playoffs when he has only done it in 4 of 6 seasons. He finished 8th in MVP voting in a year when they didn't even qualify for the play in.
 

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It's funny that Luka gets credit for dragging his teams to the playoffs when he has only done it in 4 of 6 seasons. He finished 8th in MVP voting in a year when they didn't even qualify for the play in.
Nba media has been dying to give him the mvp for years now. He's a stone cold lock if the mavs ever got a top 3 seed.
 

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It's funny that Luka gets credit for dragging his teams to the playoffs when he has only done it in 4 of 6 seasons. He finished 8th in MVP voting in a year when they didn't even qualify for the play in.
He missed the playoffs his rookie year and then last year when they intentionally tanked. He has had some pretty trash teams
 

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He missed the playoffs his rookie year and then last year when they intentionally tanked. He has had some pretty trash teams
Calling what they did last year an intentional tank is beyond charitable. They were 6th with 3 weeks left in the season and were in 10th with a couple of days left. They threw in the towel with 1-2 games left, no matter how you describe it they (and Luka) were an embarrassing failure down the stretch.
 

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Luka is poor man's Harden, there is a segment of the voters who LOVE guys who just use all the possessions on offense, because they think of value as accumulated offensive statistics, so 40/4/7 in a loss is way better than 18/8/5 and great D in a win.

I really want one of the sites to let you filter their data by wins. So what was your accumulated value only in games you team won, because... a loss is of no value.
 

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James Harden is an incredible basketball player. Like top 40 of all time. Not sure being almost as good as prime Harden is an insult
It's not meant to be, it's pointing out that Luka is a guy whose game is based on enormous usage offensive play and that is a style that voters love, even if unlike Harden he can't translate it into consistent team success.

Luka's a really good player.... he's not James Harden in his prime, and he shouldn't be a year in year out top 3-4 MVP candidate.
 

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he's not James Harden in his prime,
He's pretty close though, isn't he?

Luka just put up 34/9/10 on .618 TS% with less than stellar defense which rivals Harden's best years, IMO.

Luka has only finished top 4 in MVP 2 out of his 5 years. This year 3rd place and 4th in 2020. I'm not sure who should have finished above him this year besides Jokic and SGA
 

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All-NBA teams will be announced at 8pm tonight.

Aside from the above tracker (which hasn't been updated since 4/24), there are a couple articles out there:

- this for 5x nba.com writers. All 5 put Tatum as first-team. Only 1 of the 5 had Jaylen Brown on their ballot.
- Chris Broussard of Fox has Tatum first-team, also included Mitchell (bumping SGA to second-team), and also Embiid (bumping Luka), who wasn't even eligible. Makes me question whether he even has a real vote.
- Dan Devine of Yahoo had Tatum first-team, but Brown was his last cut off the ballot.
- Ryan Wolstat of Toronto also had Tatum first-team, narrowly edging out Brunson in his eyes; Brown didn't even get a mention.

Anyway, looks pretty likely for Tatum as first-team again, but Brown falling off the ballot.
 
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Euclis20

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All-NBA teams will be announced at 8pm tonight.

Aside from the above tracker (which hasn't been updated since 4/24), there are a couple articles out there:

- this for 5x nba.com writers. All 5 put Tatum as first-team. Only 1 of the 5 had Jaylen Brown on their ballot.
- Chris Broussard of Fox has Tatum first-team, also included Mitchell (bumping SGA to second-team), and also Embiid (bumping Luka), who wasn't even eligible. Makes me question whether he even has a real vote.
- Dan Devine of Yahoo had Tatum first-team, but Brown was his last cut off the ballot.
- Ryan Wolstat of Toronto also had Tatum first-team, narrowly edging out Brunson in his eyes; Brown didn't even get a mention.
Not to defend Broussard (a true blowhard if there ever was one), but that article is from last year.
 

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All-NBA teams will be announced at 8pm tonight.

Aside from the above tracker (which hasn't been updated since 4/24), there are a couple articles out there:

- this for 5x nba.com writers. All 5 put Tatum as first-team. Only 1 of the 5 had Jaylen Brown on their ballot.
- Chris Broussard of Fox has Tatum first-team, also included Mitchell (bumping SGA to second-team), and also Embiid (bumping Luka), who wasn't even eligible. Makes me question whether he even has a real vote.
- Dan Devine of Yahoo had Tatum first-team, but Brown was his last cut off the ballot.
- Ryan Wolstat of Toronto also had Tatum first-team, narrowly edging out Brunson in his eyes; Brown didn't even get a mention.

Anyway, looks pretty likely for Tatum as first-team again, but Brown falling off the ballot.
AD 2nd team All-NBA? Hmmm. Paging @scottyno
 

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He's pretty close though, isn't he?

Luka just put up 34/9/10 on .618 TS% with less than stellar defense which rivals Harden's best years, IMO.

Luka has only finished top 4 in MVP 2 out of his 5 years. This year 3rd place and 4th in 2020. I'm not sure who should have finished above him this year besides Jokic and SGA
League context matters. In 2018, league TS% was .556; this year, it's .580. Harden's .619 in 2018 was a fair bit more valuable than Doncic's .618 in 2024.
 

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Sabonis over Brown is a fucking joke. I’d put Brown over Haliburton, who kind of sucked after the injury, but that’s at least defensible. Sabonis isn’t
 

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I think Sabonis is a much bigger whopper than Halliburton.
yeah Haliburton isn't that bad, EPM loves him and it's one of the more popular all in one metrics among voters, plus he has a nice narrative as the clear best player on a surprise team.

Sabonis on the other hand.... no metric likes him, I don't get it.
 

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Haliburton and Booker were close at 14th and 15th, Jaylen was a reasonable distance behind them at 16th, and no one else got really serious consideration:

View: https://twitter.com/NBAPR/status/1793430330113654910


Sabonis, yeesh. Voters love double doubles, defense no so much. Whoever voted Sabonis 1st team should have their voting rights stripped.

Turns out Tatum wasn't all THAT close to missing 1st team.
 

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I’m annoyed lol.

There’s 40+ guys I’d take over Sabonis.
WHAT? Have you seen his stats? He led the league in total rebounds by a wide margin and was 4th in total ASSISTS. And he should get credit for not being load managed.
Honestly I'm kind of surprised he wasn't 2nd team, but AD and Kawhi have the name. I would have voted him 2nd team.
 

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WHAT? Have you seen his stats? He led the league in total rebounds by a wide margin and was 4th in total ASSISTS. And he should get credit for not being load managed.
He’s a non factor against good defenses, and he’s a horrible defender.

His “assists” are most just dribble handoff’s, it’s very little actual creation. He’s a great rebounder though, I’ll give him that.
 

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I think Sabonis is a much bigger whopper than Halliburton.
Agreed, plus for better or worse, Haliburton has actually helped his team achieve something (IST final, ECF). Sabonis couldn't even get his team to the playoffs.

Banchero and Adebayo getting 2nd place votes is worse than Sabonis getting a 1st vote.
Hard, hard disagree here. Someone thought Sabonis had a better year than one of Luka/Giannis/Tatum. That is an absolutely horrible take. Things get a lot more fluid going into 2nd team. Sabonis is Draymond Green offensively, which is pretty fucking mediocre when not accompanied by Draymond Green's defense. It's with good reason that despite his offensive numbers (poor man's Jokic), his career net rating is just +0.3, and he was a sad -2.1 this year. DARKO has him as a barely positive player. Someone thinking he was a top 5 player this year is gross.