The two guys we picked played opposite top ten guys in the draft. Maybe just maybe there something there.
We can't, but in the great tradition of media outlets "grading" drafts before any of those chosen has played a snap, by gum we're going to do itI just really want to understand how we can ascertain anything about a regime's process and philosophy by just their 2nd and 3rd picks in their first draft. It's not even complete yet and the first player they drafted was the definition of a traits, high ceiling guy.
I think we can assign grades and talk about selections before they've played, that's fine. I just don't get how it's already enough to draw any conclusions about the new front office's process and philosophy. For all the talk about how Bill didn't draft for need, he did it repeatedly. Every team takes need into account when drafting players, even loaded rosters like the Eagles and 49ers. It's perfectly fine to not like the selections, especially if you've done your work on the guys beforehand, like SMU_Sox. But to say they're targeting low ceiling players based on two picks (one of whom isn't even considered a low ceiling guy necessarily) is strange to me.We can't, but in the great tradition of media outlets "grading" drafts before any of those chosen has played a snap, by gum we're going to do it
He's not wrong though. The amount of a rebuild on the offensive side of the ball is staggering and we won't see very good QB play this year either. It's going to be a multi-year process.
Please don't start this again. We know how you feel.
We are going to find out very quickly how wrong you are with these statements when the QB play is much better.
Totally agree with this. For all we know, they think this kid has a high ceiling. Maybe the kid turns into this regimes Richard Seymore for all we know. But in real time, considering I've read a lot of pre-draft stuff and done a million mocks, (admittedly almost all on PFN so a view biased to their scouting), and never heard of the kid, it just seemed like something out of left field and too early. But again, nobody knows nothing, we are just sharing our thoughts here.I think we can assign grades and talk about selections before they've played, that's fine. I just don't get how it's already enough to draw any conclusions about the new front office's process and philosophy. For all the talk about how Bill didn't draft for need, he did it repeatedly. Every team takes need into account when drafting players, even loaded rosters like the Eagles and 49ers. It's perfectly fine to not like the selections, especially if you've done your work on the guys beforehand, like SMU_Sox. But to say they're targeting low ceiling players based on two picks (one of whom isn't even considered a low ceiling guy necessarily) is strange to me.
Ja'Tavion Sanders...Javon Baker...Austin Booker. And whoever else.Today I want the Pats to draft a TE with receiving upside, a WR that has the H/W/S to play the X, and an EDGE guy to develop. Judon/Uche are in their walk years so they need somebody that can get to the QB.
I agree with this generally. But to me only Caedan Wallace was a deviation. Polk maybe went on the high end of where he was projected, but Schraeger (one of the most connected guys out there) had him as a first rounder in his last mock. Not really a Thornton situation.The draft is a marketplace and it’s the job of the leaders of the draft to have a good feel for the market. Of course it is true that you need to see the players play to evaluate the job the team did but it is hardly surprising to me that some fans would be nervous about a new front office with no track record deciding they have unique insight into the market. Of course, they very well might, but when someone like SMU says they reached big time on a guy I’m inclined to listen. At the bare minimum I think it’s fair to say that they were riskier in their selections than I might have expected. I have to disclaim that I am not a patriots fan or a fan of any team but I do follow the Patriots due to being local and I think my expectations going in were of a reset on things like drafting a guy a round early so there’s a certain “plus c’est la meme chose” about it all.
All they have to do is be right about the players. But this is the risk of deviation from chalk.
This is the point that I tried to make more hysterically last night. I am skeptical whether anyone in 2024 can have unique insight into the market. It takes an awful lot to be the smartest guy in the room and it is far more likely the consensus will beat any individual. Not impossible, but hard.it is hardly surprising to me that some fans would be nervous about a new front office with no track record deciding they have unique insight into the market.
My read of this is they wanted to add some additional picks, and were very reticent to trade volume to move up. Lots of quotes from Wolff leading up to the draft about adding picks. They haven’t done that, but my guess is this was cost prohibitive for them as they feel they still have a lot of holes they need to plug.To me, the question we can’t really know the answer to is whether they could have traded up before the mini run of the OTs at the bottom of the second round. We all knew that was coming. If they judged Wallace more highly than the guys projected to be significantly more ready to play OT, then, fine, we will just have to wait a couple of years before we can judge.
To me, though, capital comes in primarily two forms — picks and cap. They did not fully address OT in free agency. They have lots of money. I would have expended some draft capital to move up. If they could have, which is a big if.
This is fair. It's impossible to know exactly what is going on in their heads. Just in my mind, the fact that the players seem to be pigeonholed to match need and we're seeing reporting suggesting that was the process isn't encouraging to me. The draft was deep at WR and OT but many other teams had the same idea, so we had the chance at some excellent defensive talent in Newton, DeJean, McKinstry in R2. In R3 we passed on Trice and Amagadije, who appear to have much higher ceilings.I agree with the entire premise of your post (long-term rebuild, BPA, don't try to solve all problems with one draft, etc.).
Then you jump into "therefore" part at the end, and that's where you lose people. "I know a bad process when I see one and Bedard confirms my bias with this piece" isn't going to convince anyone of anything.
It is a super deep top100 in WR and OT. To have not picked guys there in clear areas of need would have been stupid. Quibble on the guys chosen if you want.
RB is a sneaky needMight be early for a RB but I love the kid from Clemson Will Shipley.
I'm hip to this thought process.I want a TE or offensive lineman anyway.
Exactly. Ugh.Oh, whatever. Dont want him. Our WR is loaded...
Don't have a firm opinion but they have a number of young guards. I wonder if they hastily pivoted after the trade.Can't express enough how much I hate picking a guard here.
I'm hip to this thought process.Can't express enough how much I hate picking a guard here.
I mean, maybe. But you still gotta take someone at 103. And thay guy will likely also been there.Would have been there at 110 right?
Oh thank god.I ready something wrong