If he didn't, that would move George up and possibly put Hayward on the 3rd team, making him supermax worthy too.
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He's played 59 games this year. That's still 75% of the season and I'm not totally sure that precludes his inclusion. How have voters historically taken injuries into account? If Hayward or George makes an All-NBA team that totally changes the dynamics of their availability this summer.
I didn't do much research at all, but I clicked on 12-14 guys who made the All NBA team in the last 5 years and they all played over 70 games.
I hate to ask (because I could look it up), but if Hayward is set on leaving Utah, does it make any difference?
I realize the extra money might make him change his mind about being set on leaving.
I realize the extra money might make him change his mind about being set on leaving.
Lebron James played 62 games in 2011-12 and made 1st team so I'm guessing 59 wouldn't prevent Durant from making a team.
And the difference between a supermax and a regular max would change Hayward's mind on leaving. It's a shit ton of money.
edit: Nevermind, that was the strike shortened season. Derp. Maybe 59 games doesn't get Durant in.
And the difference between a supermax and a regular max would change Hayward's mind on leaving. It's a shit ton of money.
edit: Nevermind, that was the strike shortened season. Derp. Maybe 59 games doesn't get Durant in.
That Kings trade is looking better for the Kings now too. NO is worse because they replaced 70 minutes of play with Cousins and nothing. They are 1 game out from being the 4th worst team in the NBA (but 3 back of the 8 seed) . The pick is top 3 protected. You'd think NO would do better given they added a top 15 player but they literally traded away all their depth. If the Lakers or Suns get hot, it's possibly NO could be one of the 3 worst teams in the NBA. Imagine if they somehow landed a top 3 pick in the draft and traded for George or Butler? Ugh. Looking like the Kings could get a pick in the 4-6 range but it's also volatile right now and 1 or 2 wins changes everything.
I've been expecting Denver to take that 8th playoff seed and run with it for awhile, looks like that may be happening now. If it does, I expect tankathon to start very soon. Although the Wolves are 9-5 without LaVine. They really need to trade him or Wiggins for a D guy and I'm not sure I'd trade Wiggins given how he's been playing lately.
I've been expecting Denver to take that 8th playoff seed and run with it for awhile, looks like that may be happening now. If it does, I expect tankathon to start very soon. Although the Wolves are 9-5 without LaVine. They really need to trade him or Wiggins for a D guy and I'm not sure I'd trade Wiggins given how he's been playing lately.
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Outside of the Brad Stevens connection we have no actual evidence that Gordon Hayward would even consider leaving Utah. But in the event that he found Boston (or another team) to be an equal or somewhat superior basketball situation I'm of the belief that an extra $70 million would alleviate those concerns and get him to re-up with the Jazz.
I'm assuming you mean the Warriors without KD? Otherwise, it's a curious claim. The Warriors have better than double the Cavs' point differential (+12.5 to +5.2), in a tougher conference. They're ranked #1 in the league in offense (by far) and #2 in defense, where the Cavs are #3 in offense and a sorry #20 in defense. 538 currently has them a 54% shot to win it all and the Cavs as a 7% shot (which I assume still factors in a healthy Durant).
As far as the likelihood of KD's return: I feel like some in this thread are still working off of Woj's initial tweet, which, according to Bob Myers, was based on an initially ambiguous MRI diagnosis which was later clarified by a clearer CT scan, to the huge relief of KD and Warriors. (Woj has since rescinded the initial tweet). The latest is it's a Grade 2 MCL strain / bone bruise (nothing ruptured or broken), and the team is very hopeful of a return before the playoffs. By way of comparison, Rudy Gobert had a Grade 2 MCL strain last year and missed 18 games, which was slightly better than average for the injury.
http://instreetclothes.com/2015/12/02/understanding-rudy-goberts-grade-2-mcl-sprain/
Everyone heals differently, but throwing out the Z-Bo outlier, the average looks to be about 20 games. There are 22 games left before the playoffs.
Meanwhile, the Ws have filled in with old friend Matt Barnes, who fits what the Ws do really well (unselfish, plays gritty D, shoots threes, guards multiple positions, etc.) and seems hella stoked to be back in the Bay Area...
Jokic with his 2nd straight triple double. NO wins easily with Cousins serving his 1 game suspension. Seth Curry continues to be mini Steph. And Otto Porter only played 18 minutes for some reason.
Rockets are raining down on the Clippers. 18-35 from deep and up by 24 midway through the third.
This clip is one of a million reasons why the NBA is the best sports league going, period. Awesome...
Steph has been miserable the last 3 games, Klay the last 2. Without Durant, are they too reliant on the 3 point shot?
GS only up 2 in the loss column now over SA, and with two head-to-head games still, SA controls their own destiny for the #1 seed, not that Popovich ever seems to care much.
Same as last season, it looks like there are four teams head and shoulders above everyone else (HOU replacing OKC this year) and the #2 seed in the West would have to beat all of the other three to win a title. Also the first round series for the #1 seed looks much much easier than the #2 seed currently, we'll see if GS can hold on.
Same as last season, it looks like there are four teams head and shoulders above everyone else (HOU replacing OKC this year) and the #2 seed in the West would have to beat all of the other three to win a title. Also the first round series for the #1 seed looks much much easier than the #2 seed currently, we'll see if GS can hold on.
Taj Gibson just hit a 3 from the top of the key on the other end of the court. Threw it like an outfielder
Pelicans probably need to go something like 14-7 down the stretch to capture the #8 seed. The schedule isn't too taxing, but they have little margin for error.
538 has them at under 1 percent to make the playoffs currently, which seems pretty accurate.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Nerlens started tonight and had 15 and 17. Even for a rental I wish we could have snagged this guy. But, Anderson dropped 19 as well. So, philly for as stupid as they are are probably better off with him on the wing than getting either our 18 first rounder an
Seth Curry is "better than his brother" right now. Mavs mania!
Seth Curry is "better than his brother" right now. Mavs mania!
Does anyone get to watch a lot of Nuggets games? Murray and Harris have only played together for 32 minutes. Does anyone have any insight as to whether they can play together?
I've been following Harris for a month or so now and I'm baffled as to why he's always overlooked when people mention Denver. Everyone always mentions how great Murray is going to be but Harris is only 22, a decent defender and shooting .480/.420/.750 on the year. He missed a bunch of time earlier in the year but since returning from injury, he's been playing at another level. Given his growth season over season, you'd think there would be more love. And over the last 11 games, he's at 18.1ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.7apg, 1.5spg on .500/.452/.762 shooting.
Is there something people don't like about him or is he just overlooked because he plays for Denver and everyone is now focused on Jokic and Murray? Is his defense actually an issue? I've only seen a few games and he didn't look like a lock down defender but he also didn't look terrible and has incredibly quick hands. Basically I see a guy with no real weakness to his game outside of passing in a pick and roll situation. His handles are fine, explosive first step, can drive to the rim and finish, can hit a 3. He has all the tools necessary to be a great defender. So what's up?
Measurables for Harris: 6'4 210lbs 6'65 wing span, 8'35 standing reach
Measurables for Murray: 6'4 205lbs 6'65 wing span, 8'1 standing reach
Is Murray's athleticism just that much superior to Harris's that it makes up for the difference in actual skill atm? Murray is 2 1/2 years younger so that's a pretty huge deal too but given Harris's age and growth year over year it's not like he's already a finished product. He's probably already obliterated his ceiling. I was under the impression Murray was just an average athlete.
I've been following Harris for a month or so now and I'm baffled as to why he's always overlooked when people mention Denver. Everyone always mentions how great Murray is going to be but Harris is only 22, a decent defender and shooting .480/.420/.750 on the year. He missed a bunch of time earlier in the year but since returning from injury, he's been playing at another level. Given his growth season over season, you'd think there would be more love. And over the last 11 games, he's at 18.1ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.7apg, 1.5spg on .500/.452/.762 shooting.
Is there something people don't like about him or is he just overlooked because he plays for Denver and everyone is now focused on Jokic and Murray? Is his defense actually an issue? I've only seen a few games and he didn't look like a lock down defender but he also didn't look terrible and has incredibly quick hands. Basically I see a guy with no real weakness to his game outside of passing in a pick and roll situation. His handles are fine, explosive first step, can drive to the rim and finish, can hit a 3. He has all the tools necessary to be a great defender. So what's up?
Measurables for Harris: 6'4 210lbs 6'65 wing span, 8'35 standing reach
Measurables for Murray: 6'4 205lbs 6'65 wing span, 8'1 standing reach
Is Murray's athleticism just that much superior to Harris's that it makes up for the difference in actual skill atm? Murray is 2 1/2 years younger so that's a pretty huge deal too but given Harris's age and growth year over year it's not like he's already a finished product. He's probably already obliterated his ceiling. I was under the impression Murray was just an average athlete.
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Nurkik is averaging 14.0 points, 8.6 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.8 steals, 1.8 blocks on .583 shooting in 29.6 minutes since traded to Portland 5 games ago. Still only 22 years old. Showing a surprisingly good passing game, although he's at 3.2 TO per as well. Portland is 2-3 in those 5 games.
I guess he didn't really fit in Denver but I wonder if they traded him away too quickly. You'd think with Jokic's range the two could co exist offensively and defensively, Jokic is more a PF anyway. Nurkik is clearly skilled, just a matter of turning it into positive results.
I guess he didn't really fit in Denver but I wonder if they traded him away too quickly. You'd think with Jokic's range the two could co exist offensively and defensively, Jokic is more a PF anyway. Nurkik is clearly skilled, just a matter of turning it into positive results.
Don't watch Nuggets but I think you have your stats wrong. According to NBA.com (not sure if table will make it through), they've played 23 games at 196 minutes total together. On Wednesday, the played 27.5 minutes together I believe.
I think the issue is that Harris doesn't play the point and Murray hasn't until recently. Plus, while Harris has a reputation of a decent defender, not sure who guards the 1 when they play together.
Here's a DEN blog from today that discusses Harris: https://www.denverite.com/gary-harris-looks-like-nuggets-shooting-guard-future-30861/
I think the issue is that Harris doesn't play the point and Murray hasn't until recently. Plus, while Harris has a reputation of a decent defender, not sure who guards the 1 when they play together.
Here's a DEN blog from today that discusses Harris: https://www.denverite.com/gary-harris-looks-like-nuggets-shooting-guard-future-30861/
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I apparently don't know how to read the 5 man lineups on 82games.com.
Who plays PG offensively could be a concern, but it's less a concern with Jokic as your center. As long as they can bring up the ball, it shouldn't be a deal breaker. Not really sure I'd be worried about who plays the 1 either. I will say Gary Harris's scouting report from 2014 is a lot different than Gary Harris the player in 2017. I wonder what Denver does long term with the Mudiay/Harris/Murray situation.
Who plays PG offensively could be a concern, but it's less a concern with Jokic as your center. As long as they can bring up the ball, it shouldn't be a deal breaker. Not really sure I'd be worried about who plays the 1 either. I will say Gary Harris's scouting report from 2014 is a lot different than Gary Harris the player in 2017. I wonder what Denver does long term with the Mudiay/Harris/Murray situation.
Rockets are averaging 124.5 points a game since trading for Louis Williams. Eric Gordon set a record with 180 3's off the bench.
If we are evaluating every team at their optimal level; I think GS is number one but Houston is right behind them. When they run that pick and roll with Harden you have to worry about:
A) James Harden getting the basket; one of the 3-4 best pure scorers in the game. Worse, he gets to the line and gets your players in foul trouble.
B) A lineup of lethal outside shooters in Anderson, Gordon, Williams and Ariza. Harden is such a good passer that a double team on him is basically suicide if these guys are on the floor.
C) Capela rolling to the rim. He's the least frightening option but also takes the highest percentage shot.
The versatility, length and discipline to combat that kind of an attack is off the charts. I think they are a real threat to win the title.
Patrick Beverly isn't such a bad outside shot either. The Rockets are the prototype for how you build a team around one elite player.
edit: Beverly might be the 2nd most important player on that team, actually. Not the 2nd best. He's really the only other playmaker and distributor on the Rockets when Harden is on the bench.
edit: Beverly might be the 2nd most important player on that team, actually. Not the 2nd best. He's really the only other playmaker and distributor on the Rockets when Harden is on the bench.
During the Warriors - Knicks game, they show coach Kerr, mic'd up and talking to Curry. Says, even though your shooting may be off, look at your +/-. If was tied for the best on the Ws. So Mark Jackson says something like how do you get info like that right up to the moment. Well, duh, ESPN or a half dozen other places on any mobile device.
Been a close game but Warriors not looking to lose their third straight.
Been a close game but Warriors not looking to lose their third straight.
Warriors/Knicks played the first half without music so fans could experience the game in its purest form. Interesting idea. The players reaction to the silence in warm ups was great.
No organ music or songs playing on the sound-system. The atmosphere is similar to your average high school basketball game with just fan noise in the background.
Their issue is can they stop anyone. They can score with anyone and any playoff series with them is going to be high scoring and fun.
Playoffs are going to be fun this year.
Some uninspired play from the Rockets in the 2nd quarter, plus three three's from Tony P. in 3rd has the Spurs within two now.
Weird watching Parker as a spot-up shooter but after he brings the ball-up and they get into their offense, that's basically what he is.
Which sucks, because he's a hell of player. A defensive stalwart with vision and passing skill on the offensive end.