2016 Packers: Championship Beltless

BigSoxFan · Sep 23, 2016

Eddie Lacy is running well and they're not using him. Need to get more balance in their offense.

Rudy's Curve · Sep 23, 2016

tims4wins said:
No one seems to talk about the Packers much around here. Guess we don't have too many fans. I was reading an article on Aaron Rodgers today and didn't realize how much they have struggled dating back to the middle of last season. Rodgers is hailed as the best QB in the game blah blah blah but he has been quite mediocre for the last calendar year or so. He also has a career record of 7-6 in the playoffs compared to Brady's 22-9 so yeah I don't really get that.

It probably has something to do with having the highest adjusted net yards per attempt (which actually punishes his mobility since he takes a higher number of sacks but doesn't credit him for rushing yards) and passer rating in history (obvious caveats for era but we're comparing him to his contemporaries anyways). He had a mediocre 2015 and has gotten off to a slow start this year but that can happen when you lose your best target. And sorry, #QBWINZ doesn't do it for me.

Stitch01 · Sep 23, 2016

Packers really need to clean house with the coaching staff before they waste the rest of Rodgers prime and past prime years.

Toe Nash · Sep 23, 2016

Stitch01 said:
Packers really need to clean house with the coaching staff before they waste the rest of Rodgers prime and past prime years.

Yeah, McCarthy seems pretty bad. He seems really conservative and doesn't play to their best strengths. Aaron is 7-6 in the playoffs, but they should have made the Super Bowl in 2014 were it not for crazy luck and terrible playcalling by the coaching staff. In 2013 they lost in the first round at home because they forgot that Kaepernick can run.

Their passing offense is really weird and seems to rely on Rodgers scrambling around until guys can get open. With Nelson out and other injuries last year they didn't have people who could beat their matchups so they just stalled. Seems to me Aaron is very accurate and has a quick release and they should try to incorporate more crossing routes and other concepts to get guys open. I'd love to hear more complaints about the coaching if we have any GB fans here, this is just what I've gathered from watching them a few times a year.

Morgan's Magic Snowplow · Sep 23, 2016

I haven't watched him enough to have a strong opinion. But Aaron Rodgers himself may just not be the same player he was a few years ago. There are a lot of other potential factors - injuries to key offensive personnel, stale coaching, etc. But the sample of not-exactly-prime-Aaron-Rodgers-level play is getting to be pretty large at this point. Going back to Week 5 last year (last 14 games) he is completing <60% of throws and has an ANY/A <6. That is 14 games. You could probably have found a similar Brady sample from 2013 and early 2014 and we know how that went, so I'm definitely not concluding that its anything more than a temporary drop in statistical performance. But its an open question at the very least.

Erik Hanson's Hook · Sep 23, 2016

Had a couple of hours to kill this morning, and came across a handful of articles documenting Arod's struggles the last 14 games. Also came across this interesting thread on a Packer's forum.

A lot of GB fans seem to think
a) Rodger's mechanics are a mess (btw see his arrogant answer about his "All Fundamentals Team" selections when questioned about this)
b) McCarthy's play-calling is predictable
c) GB's receiver's can't get open against man coverage
d) Rodgers is not going through his progressions and trying to play hero ball
e) Ted Thompson has regressed as a GM and roster-builder
f) Olivia Munn is Yoko Ono

Don't know what the answer is - maybe a combination of the above?

johnmd20 · Sep 23, 2016

I hate that you called Rodgers ARod. I hate it with a passion.

Marciano490 · Sep 23, 2016

johnmd20 said:
I hate that you called Rodgers ARod. I hate it with a passion.

He's right about him being as overrated, same as LT in San Diego.

johnmd20 · Sep 23, 2016

Marciano490 said:
He's right about him being as overrated, same as LT in San Diego.

I think Rodgers is pretty fairly rated. If he was in a better system, with a better coach, he would have had much more success in the post season. He's been a Top 5 QB pretty much every year since he began starting, sometimes top 1 or 2.

koufax32 · Sep 23, 2016

tims4wins said:
Good point. Only 14 carries for 61 in week 1 and 12 for 50 in week 2, both in close games. 4.3 YPC on the season so far. Wonder if they are hesitant to give him tons of carries and wear him down. They may prefer he end up more around 15 carries / game for ~240 for the season as opposed to 320+ carries.

I have him on my ffb team so I looked into this pre-draft. The pattern has been to ride him more as the season goes on. By late November his carries start trending at or above 20/game.

Ed Hillel · Sep 23, 2016

Matt Barnes is better than Matt Albers. Also, fuck Bob Apadaca.

Edit - Wrong thread, though I stand by my comments.

Erik Hanson's Hook · Sep 24, 2016

johnmd20 said:
I hate that you called Rodgers ARod. I hate it with a passion.

Haha, I know. But that's what they call him out there.

Dr. Gonzo · Nov 18, 2016

Fascinating piece. The stuff about the family is really strange and something had to happen. You don't cutoff your entire family, change your phone number and not tell them, and return Christmas gifts via the mail two months after the fact for no reason.

Of course, this storyline reached its fever pitch during The Bachelorette. Jordan Rodgers, a contestant on the show and eventually the winner, took JoJo Fletcher home to Chico, taking the world behind the curtain to look at this strained relationship. There are people once close to Rodgers who believe the strain affects his play.

One source, who was close to Rodgers for years but is among the many who have since been cut off by Rodgers entirely, said the quarterback has not spoken to his family since December 2014. Don't feel too bad, J-Mike. Immediate family members don't even have his cellphone number. When Mom and Dad sent Christmas presents to the quarterback and his girlfriend that year, the source said, those gifts were mailed back in February. He was set to be the groomsman in the wedding of one of his closest friends, the source said, and texted the day before he couldn't attend.

He didn't attend his grandfather's funeral—the same grandfather he once called before every game.

He fired a business manager he's known since high school.

The family was told they were no longer welcome in Green Bay. If Dad wants to attend a game now, he buys tickets on StubHub or goes through another player's family.

BigSoxFan · Nov 18, 2016

Is Olivia Munn the new Yoko Ono?

Toe Nash · Nov 18, 2016

I dunno, I've watched half the Packers games this year and I see a bunch of receivers who can't get open and a mostly useless defense, especially with Matthews hurt. Oh right, and no running backs. Rodgers looks fine -- maybe he's missed a couple more throws than usual, but he usually doesn't have to avoid defenders for 6 seconds while waiting for a receiver to get free.

The family stuff is weird, but I don't think Rodgers is playing much worse than he ever has. As usual the team's best player gets blamed for his team being bad.

Marciano490 · Nov 18, 2016

Anyone know how Dean Lowery has performed? He's a friend of a friend, so I've been trying to see how he's doing, but he's rarely in the box score or on TV when I catch games. They said he was going to start coming out of training camp.

Phil Plantier · Nov 19, 2016

That bleacherreport article is such a bullshit non-story. He's hyper-competitive and doesn't like his family. Plus, he didn't get along with a TE who (we can all play this game) has five kids with three mothers.
It's a stark reminder that it doesn't matter how much success you have as an athlete - if you have a losing record, the knives come out.

Marciano490 · Nov 19, 2016

Phil Plantier said:
That bleacherreport article is such a bullshit non-story. He's hyper-competitive and doesn't like his family. Plus, he didn't get along with a TE who (we can all play this game) has five kids with three mothers.
It's a stark reminder that it doesn't matter how much success you have as an athlete - if you have a losing record, the knives come out.

It just makes the treatment of Manning all the more remarkable. If there was anyone else in the NFL I thought was untouchable, it was Aaron.

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