2017 Boston College Football: Dammit, Daz is Probably Coming Back Now

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4th and 1, and Daz predictably goes to a slow developing deep handoff to Hillman. I don't think there was a person in the stadium who didn't know that was going to be the call there
 

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4th and 1, and Daz predictably goes to a slow developing deep handoff to Hillman. I don't think there was a person in the stadium who didn't know that was going to be the call there
It must be so easy coaching against him.
 

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Team certainly played the 3rd quarter like the stab in the heart from their coach affected them
 

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Can wait for Bernie to update his stats about how we fare when traveling at halftime. Man how I long for the days of a coach who could adjust.
 

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Dazz whining about the "tough schedule" to Griese. Griese playing his violin for Dazz.
That was ugly Griese went through the whole litany of Daz complaints in 30 seconds

Schedule is too tough
Academics are too high
Facilities are not good enough
Boston is a pro sports town
 

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One takeaway. I think Brown might be legit. Very impressive today. I wish he'd run a bit more but his throws looked good.
Brown has a chance if he gets to work with a real coaching staff in the future. Honestly I think he looks much better as a passer than Wimbush. Of course Wimbush has managed to completely rewrite the ND record book as a runner today.
 

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They suck. Outside of Landry, there is no elite talent anywhere on the field. This program might literally never be good again.
And Landry really does look like just a specialist. Now admittedly he is is specialist in something the NFL craves, and will pay him very handsomely for. Not sure he made a good decision to spend another year at BC, just hope he makes it through the season healthy
 

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And Landry really does look like just a specialist. Now admittedly he is is specialist in something the NFL craves, and will pay him very handsomely for. Not sure he made a good decision to spend another year at BC, just hope he makes it through the season healthy
I mean, it's tough to say. I'm not sure he's big enough to be a 3 down DE in the NFL but he has been told to do exactly one thing while at BC. I'm not convinced he's a first round pick but would be a nice pick in 2-3 for a team. You can't teach those pass rushing skills and just wait until he gets a real coach.
 

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So a few things from spending time with folks at the game:

1. Board doesn't need a presentation and they know the numbers. It's a Leahy issue front and center. The alums are pounding Jarmond on Daz and Christian, the former players are doing the same. Now, I'm told the "Leahy hates athletics" thing is not particularly accurate (he's ambivalent on it but isn't trying to kill anything). If they get to 6 wins he is safe, otherwise I think he is gone.

2. Landry most likely has a deal with the coaches to keep his playing time down and keep him healthy and effective as a condition of returning. Do with that what you wish.

As for the game - the thing that most positively, incredibly amazes me about this game is Daz for all his nonsense (his BS about playing percentages at the half leads me to question if he had a functioning brain), with a freshman QB, he will not adapt that game plan to let the kid throw in favorable downs. It's still the same RRPP offense (runrunpasspunt) and when Brown was allowed to play action or throw in run situations, he was pretty effective. He cannot, cannot, cannot develop offensive talent in any way. He is completely deficient, every positive offensive performer he's had he inherited from another coach (Andre Williams, Tyler Murphy, Towles to some degree). Kids cannot develop under him. He's useless.

Jim Reid should be gone this week and Slaughter at the end of the season. I don't think a midseason firing does much but make the fans happy.
 

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2. Landry most likely has a deal with the coaches to keep his playing time down and keep him healthy and effective as a condition of returning. Do with that what you wish.
It is possible, but that is certainly NOT what Landry is telling the National media types. Announcers today made it quite clear Landry says he want to play more
 

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Any guesses how much of the crowd at Alumni was rooting for the home team? There were quite a few ND fans at Fenway on Thursday.
Walked through aisle on top of the student section, section J and such, in the 3rd quarter, must have been 5-10% ND fans. I almost lost my s**t. I mean I understand it must have been mostly siblings and HS friends or whatnot, but it was disgusting. Why were they let in the student section? You want to bring your sister/brother who goes to SBCC, gets seats in the regular crowd.

I can handle, 50, 60% in the regular seats, but the student section should be the BC student section. At worst, casual people. Not ND fans in ND shirts and hats.
 

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It is possible, but that is certainly NOT what Landry is telling the National media types. Announcers today made it quite clear Landry says he want to play more
There is no point for Landry to come back on a snap count. Should have just gone pro. Scouts will only be able to analyze what they already know he can do. He needs to show that he can be a 3 down lineman.
 

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Mike I know that's the public perception, so there's something going on there. The inside scuttle is that Landry asked to be shielded but obviously that's not what is being sold outside.
 

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Mike I know that's the public perception, so there's something going on there. The inside scuttle is that Landry asked to be shielded but obviously that's not what is being sold outside.
Certainly possible but kind of weird. Just go pro if you are worried about injuries. Of course, it didn't hurt Clowney's draft stock. I think NFL scouts pretty much know what they're getting with Landry.
 

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There were less ND fans than anticipated. The one who sat in front of me was a tool who didn't react to when I said something along the lines of "sorry for making fun of you, it's all in good fun" so they can go fick themselves.

Wimbush is a slightly better version of A Brown. Cannot completed a pass to save his life.
 

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How the hell did NIU go to Lincoln and beat Nebraska yesterday after losing to this team at home?

I didn't expect them to beat ND, but I didn't expect the second half blowout either. Other than Central Michigan, I don't see a win in the next few weeks, which is as tough a stretch as I remember them playing. Maybe Virginia, I don't know if they are any good. Best case they get wins against CM and UVA and hit that last stretch of NC State, UConn and at Syracuse needing to win all three to get to six wins, and maybe the Beef O'Brady's bowl.

That win over USC at home seems like it was 10 years ago.
 

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Well...... yup they are 1-25 when trailing at the half under Dazzler and the "comeback" was against Villanova in 2013 as indicated above.

He has 1 marquee win. Since Ryan Day left they have not scored more than 21 points against a P5 opponent. Look at their record the last 3years against the P5 ( 0-9, 3-6, 0-2 to date) that's 3-17 since Sept 2015 with wins over Maryland Wake and NC State. Since Don Brown has left, P5 opponents have averaged putting up 35 a game against them and yesterday's 515 total offense 400+ running yards by ND showed everyone just how bad the defense is. It's real bad, especially against the run.

Notre Dame was bigger, faster and stronger and wore BC down. They took control in the second half and as Kelly said, they "broke" BC. And the flood gates opened.

Positives? They finally have a kicking game and the special teams look good and dependable. They also have a quarterback. That was his 3rd varsity game against a marquee P5 opponent and he hung in there, looked poised and ran a very balanced offensive attack. The problem was BC put up about 280 total yards to 515 by ND. He had a nice drive in the second half and his mistakes weren't many. Lost of procedure calls on BC throughout the game cost them a bit.

As to the coaching. Daz as usual coached not to lose in the first half rather to win. That is his MO. I was his biggest supporter and you all saw my posts in the past. But the prgram never really got moving again under him. Yes he fooled us when he took a 2-10 squad and got them to a bowl and if there was a kicking game in his second year he would have had an 8 win season that year at least with wins over USC AND Penn State. But alas he didn't so the PSU game was a loss like so many others as he has put together a few 7-6 years along with a bad 3-9 and this one looks like a 5-7, 6-6 type year now with more blowouts to come.

If this were year 2 or even year 3 I would feel somewhat optimistic. A good QB is in the works, a balanced offensive scheme seems to be emerging with legit backs and receivers, a pretty good defensive backfield that appears ok against the pass. But it's year 5 and this program really should be much further along than it is. I see no path to 8-4,9-3 records with tough competitive games against the iron as long as Addazio is the coach. I just don't. I would like to see him let go at the bye especially if the team is 2-5, which it might be. The program from a record standpoint is very similar to Spaz. Beat up on MAC and FCS opponents and get crushed by P5 teams.

Who will be the new coach? Look for someone who has crossed paths with Jarmond in the past, who is young (there's that word again) but energetic and can excite the fan base as well as the kids. Someone who knows how to win and comes from a tradition of championships. Someone who is known in New England and nationally and plays tough tough football.

Welcome, I hope, Mike Vrabel. He will be to BC what Jim Harbough was to Stanford. He will get them back on track and relevant again. He will be very successful and ultimately return to Columbus in about 5 years and run his Alma mater's program. He will leave BC much better than he inherited it and maybe develop his successor head coach along the way. That would be the best of all worlds.

Hang in there fellas. The cupboard is not bare. The chef is just mixing the wrong ingredients together. He is trying cook an Italian dish when the recipe is calling for a French menu.
 

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Vrabel would be great. His son Tyler is a BC commit, so it's not a total pipe dream.
I'd be quite surprised if a guy who was just named as an NFL defensive coordinator would get off his current track to lead a crappy ACC program. But Vrabel is exactly the kind of coach this program needs.
 

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Any guesses how much of the crowd at Alumni was rooting for the home team? There were quite a few ND fans at Fenway on Thursday.
It wasn't nearly as many as five years ago. Even the ND sections were about a quarter empty. I'd estimate no more then 20%.

Walked through aisle on top of the student section, section J and such, in the 3rd quarter, must have been 5-10% ND fans. I almost lost my s**t. I mean I understand it must have been mostly siblings and HS friends or whatnot, but it was disgusting. Why were they let in the student section? You want to bring your sister/brother who goes to SBCC, gets seats in the regular crowd.

I can handle, 50, 60% in the regular seats, but the student section should be the BC student section. At worst, casual people. Not ND fans in ND shirts and hats.
Solution: require an ND rejection letter to get access to the student section.
 

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It wasn't nearly as many as five years ago. Even the ND sections were about a quarter empty. I'd estimate no more then 20%.


Solution: require an ND rejection letter to get access to the student section.
Difference between BC and ND students/graduates: BC graduates know the difference between "than" and "then."
 

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That 2015 team that went 3-9 might have been his best team. They hung with a lot of the good teams that year (FSU, ND, Louisville) despite a talent gap. Last year they lost to the 4 ACC iron teams by a combined 220-24 or something like that. Last year was a mirage. Next year they are back to UMass, Holy Cross and Temple (at home). Opportunity for a quick (but somewhat empty) turn around record-wise.
 

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couple quickies before I take a knee (ask Rip what its like to be sitting witn an earshot of this asshole when coach dumbfuck does this)

the pitch count talk on Landry was all over the place yesterday, felt like I was the last to know

the 5 or 6 John Dalys I drank before the game made it much easier to take, until he chiskened out again.

stop me if you've heard me say this before, like every fucking year: he doesn't coach to WIN, he coached NOT TO LOSE and when you do that YOU LOSE and he still doesn't get that

he is so fucking stupid that everytime he says 'we're young' that its an indictment of his shitty recruiting... this is year 5 they're all your people now

I'd say there were about 40% French yesterday, not as cocky big brother as usual, I think the UGA game kept that asshole actions down

ND/FSU/Clemson are great times on campus, because its a big time feel, bring on the fighting (fill in the blank) of Directional Michigan in two weeks

incase you missed it, here was a post on facebook yesterday from High up in QQ
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BC hey Martin Jermond new BCAD.. know why there aren't many Eagle fans in the stand? BEACUSE ADDAZIO IS A GUTLESS PIECE OF SHIT, Shaunagsey was right FIRE HIM NOW!
 

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Good news: you can now buy a Budweiser inside Alumni Stadium
Bad news: there are roughly 10 points of sale in the entire stadium (none in the upper level), leading to unconscionably long lines when there is a crowd
Obvious news: lines will likely be more manageable going forward
 

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Good news: you can now buy a Budweiser inside Alumni Stadium
Bad news: there are roughly 10 points of sale in the entire stadium (none in the upper level), leading to unconscionably long lines when there is a crowd
Obvious news: lines will likely be more manageable going forward
I'd rather wait in line for a beer than watch the actual games.
 

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Kirk and Callahan were shitting all over Addazio this morning. I was shocked that BC was even being discussed on sports talk radio, but once that wore off, I was delighted at the the tenor of the conversation. K&C are generally miserable no matter the circumstance, but this was a topic that warranted their bilious rantings.
 

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Whenever the "fire _____" talk starts, someone always (correctly) chimes in with "Well, who is better?" I'm starting to think the proper question here is "Well, who isn't better?" The "Be a Dude" recruiting isnt working, they cant coach up the 2 and 3 star kids, and the desire to run through a wall that Daz seemed to instill at first has worn off. I'm ok waiting until the end of the season to make a decision, but barring a turnaround that isn't coming they need to cut the cord. They have to realize that the next guy that they hire, if successful at all, will be gone within 3 years. They have to be willing to accept that, and put a plan in place for it.
 

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Yeah, I never understood the mindset that BC shouldn't hire an up-and-comer with dreams of bigger schools or the NFL because they might leave in a few years. The fact that BC fired one of its most successful coaches (Jagodzinski, admittedly in a small sample size and with players mostly recruited by TOB) for merely interviewing for such a job becomes more and more depressing by the year as we see how less-talented, less-ambitious coaches have fared.

I'm somewhat hopeful that the hiring of Jarmond shows that that mindset isn't governing anymore, since Jarmond himself seems to be the type to stick around for 5 years or so and then bolt to a bigger school (I'm sure he has dreams of eventually returning to OSU as AD there) but who knows.
 

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Yeah, I never understood the mindset that BC shouldn't hire an up-and-comer with dreams of bigger schools or the NFL because they might leave in a few years. The fact that BC fired one of its most successful coaches (Jagodzinski, admittedly in a small sample size and with players mostly recruited by TOB) for merely interviewing for such a job becomes more and more depressing by the year as we see how less-talented, less-ambitious coaches have fared.
They fired Jags for a whole lot more than interviewing elsewhere. Look at his record after leaving BC. He had a good record for 2 years, but his first recruiting class had already blown up, and he had almost stopped recruiting. And there were off field rumors. The interview was just something that gave GDF enough cover to make a move he felt was required.


That said I agree with the basically premise. BC should not be afraid to hire another Tom Coughlin , because he might leave quickly.

In some ways the head moron in charge was an example of that. Daz was thought in some circles as an up and comer. He jumped out of his previous job after 2years. And face it dream job or not he tried to leave BC after 2 years, but got rejected at the jobs he wanted, so BC gave him a ridiculous extension and raise to stay
 

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They fired Jags for a whole lot more than interviewing elsewhere. Look at his record after leaving BC. He had a good record for 2 years, but his first recruiting class had already blown up, and he had almost stopped recruiting. And there were off field rumors. The interview was just something that gave GDF enough cover to make a move he felt was required.


That said I agree with the basically premise. BC should not be afraid to hire another Tom Coughlin , because he might leave quickly.

In some ways the head moron in charge was an example of that. Daz was thought in some circles as an up and comer. He jumped out of his previous job after 2years. And face it dream job or not he tried to leave BC after 2 years, but got rejected at the jobs he wanted, so BC gave him a ridiculous extension and raise to stay
Daz up and comer? He went 4-8 in his last season at Temple! Whatever process lead to Daz's hiring needs to be nuclear bombed.
 

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Daz up and comer? He went 4-8 in his last season at Temple! Whatever process lead to Daz's hiring needs to be nuclear bombed.
Yes, but there were reasons behind that, they had a massive increase in schedule strength that year. He was considered in many circles a hot hire at the time. Former national recruiter of year, 2 National titles as an assistant.

I never liked the hire. First time I heard him speak I knew he was dumber than a box of rocks.
 

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Yeah, I was horrified when I heard the man speak for the first time and I obviously placed little value on his recruiting success. Pretty sure almost anyone can convince a 17 year-old kid to commit to playing in Florida for Urban Meyer.
 

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I don't doubt that Daz is a good recruiter in a vacuum - he seems fairly media-savvy and can come up with cool catchphrases and the like that seem to appeal to at least some recruits.

But you simply can't recruit good players if you are a bad coach because recruits are not dumb and no matter what BS you throw at them in your meeting, they will look at your record the past couple of years and if it's really shitty, they are not going to be tricked into playing for you.
 

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I don't doubt that Daz is a good recruiter in a vacuum - he seems fairly media-savvy and can come up with cool catchphrases and the like that seem to appeal to at least some recruits.

But you simply can't recruit good players if you are a bad coach because recruits are not dumb and no matter what BS you throw at them in your meeting, they will look at your record the past couple of years and if it's really shitty, they are not going to be tricked into playing for you.
And don't forget, the player's HS coach, in most cases, is very much aware on a broader level what the player's abilities are and where they may be better off. The player likely has a 2-4 year relationship with that coach and respects their input into the process. How effective is Daz in swaying this influential source?