I hope that you mean summer league; otherwise, "interesting" isn't remotely the right word.
2017 Celtics Offseason: News and General Discussion
- Thread starter cardiacs
- Start date
Right. But if they make a trade for Butler and sign Hayward, they won't have very many options in that regard.
Obviously. I meant outside of him. Jerebko, KO, Zeller, Amir and Crowder are all gone if Butler and Hayward are here and they'd be over the cap. I guess it's possible they could somehow get Butler and keep the 3rd pick but I don't see how.
Right, maybe if you can pull off Crowder, Zeller + 3 for Butler, you move AB in a separate deal to get back into this draft? Detroit's #12 is the one people often reference, though that seems like a lot for a year of Bradley.
The guy you draft makes money. It would have to be a future 1st. even then the trade kicker makes it tough to get under the cap anyway.
New Celtics assistant coach: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/islander-nba-boston-celtics-1.4167917
Sources: Boston's pursuit of cap space makes it increasingly likely Kelly Olynyk becomes unrestricted free agent. He'll have strong market.
Feels like this is the year that Ainge could just go completely nuts and cash everything in.
If the rumored George deal goes through (Bradley/Crowder/LAL pick), would love for Danny to try to make another run at Porzingis. Tatum + BRK pick + Rozier. Not sure if numbers work to keep Smart though
IT, Hayward, George, Porzingis, Horford
Smart, Brown, Zizic, Theis, Room Exception, Vet Min, Vet Min
If the rumored George deal goes through (Bradley/Crowder/LAL pick), would love for Danny to try to make another run at Porzingis. Tatum + BRK pick + Rozier. Not sure if numbers work to keep Smart though
IT, Hayward, George, Porzingis, Horford
Smart, Brown, Zizic, Theis, Room Exception, Vet Min, Vet Min
Hell no. George + Heyworthington put us in the upper tier while also allowing for future growth.
George + Heyworthington + Porzingis would be completely unfair and fun as hell to watch, but why mortgage the future when you don't need to?
A lot can change in 1 year, but next year's draft has the potential to feature several franchise players. It would be extremely disappointing to take ourselves out of the running entirely. If you can get Porzingis for a comparable price instead of George, then you do that.
Last edited:
I wouldn't be too surprised if the Lakers actually improve next year to the point of falling out of the bottom 5 in the league. Randall and Ingram should improve, and Lopez (if he stays healthy, which is highly uncertain) is still at least an average player. Which is an upgrade for them. And I am very high on Ball. Adding to all of this, since they don't have their draft pick they have no incentive to suck, which they have had the past few years.
Teams without the incentive to tank can regress to the mean faster than people think.
Teams without the incentive to tank can regress to the mean faster than people think.
Not true.
Post 17-18 salaries (millions):
$24.1 Jordan (player option)
$14.5 Crawford ($3.0 if waived by 6/21/18)
$12.7 Rivers (player option)
$6.1 W.Johnson (player option)
$5.0 Beverley
$2.8 Dekker
$1.5 B.Johnson
+Thornwell?
+HOU/LAC 1st
2017 FA: Griffin, Redick
2018 FA: Williams, Stone
LAC could have two max slots for free agents next summer, plus a lottery pick. Remember, the LAC draft pick is 2019 or 2020 (lottery-protected in each year), not 2018.
Reports are that the Clippers feel that they are more likely to retain Griffin after moving on from Paul. A starting five of Beverly/Williams/Dekker/Griffin/Jordan is probably still a back end playoff team and they'll have flexibility now to tinker on the edges without being in luxury tax purgatory.
The question is whether Ballmer is smart enough to just hire Sam Hinkie and wait it out, right? They are, best-case, going to purgatory-zone (e.g. 35-45 wins) here for a few years even if Griffin resigns aren't they? It's really hard to imagine who they add to Jordan/Griffin that makes them at all interesting. They'd be wise to just blow it up and start on the next group of guys.
Why would they hire Sam Hinkie when Jerry West is calling the shots now? This deal has his fingerprints all over it.
Fair question, though I don't know if West truly wants to be GM anymore, as opposed to consigliere. But unclear Hinkie would want a consigliere so perhaps doesn't matter.
I do think any rebuilding team is flat nuts not to consider Hinkie, but I realize many lack the fortitude to sign him. Ballmer, whatever his flaws, certainly has the stones to do it.
What would be flat out nuts is building a brand new venue in the LA market and then committing to five years of putrid basketball that no one would want to pay for in the hopes that five years after that you'll have the heart and soul of a 45-50 win team. They can do that right now and at least get playoff revenue.
Saw this on Twitter- video from Bryan Doo, Celtics' strength and conditioning coach. Uphill sprints, with Marcus unsurprisingly busting his ass, Zizic bringing up the rear. I can't really recognize the other guys from my phone:
I'm just going to throw this out so I'm not accused of sour grapes later...bit if Houston wants to throw all its chips in and another team (Clippers?) too, then I'm content with Danny waiting it out for another year and keeping his options open.
Honestly, there's really not much we can do. Make your pitches and hope either Hayward or Griffin signs on the dotted line. If neither do, then George is likely not an option and I don't want someone like a Gallinari. Just develop the young guys and hope the lotto gods bless us again.
That's where I'm at as well, though I would consider Millsap for 3 years + buyout in 4th
Honestly, Millsap doesn't do it for me either. Would rather keep cap flexibility for next summer. Either land the big fish in some combination of Hayward/Griffin/George or try again next summer.
For who though? Scrolling through the lists I see Boogie and a bunch of guys with opt outs that likely aren't realistic (CP3, Lebron, etc).
Hats worded poorly, because I agree with you - I think Hayward/Griffin and PG or stand pat - I'm asking in a poorly worded manner what's really an option next summer? There's also the specter of IT4 and Bradley needing to be resigned at way too big rates if they stand pat. Honestly if they miss out on their targets this year, is almost prefer they just move Horford after next season and go with the kids.
The lack of attractive FAs next year and the cap space issues (IT4, Avery and Smart expiring) mean that taking advantage of this years cap space may be the best plan. I see three options:
1) As PP suggested, and perhaps its sacrilege given the fact he is the biggest FA to sign for the Cs, but if neither Blake nor Haywouldyoucomehere sign then perhaps the Horford trade and trying this all again next year make sense.
2) Chase Millsap for fewer years and hope for the best
3) Keep Al, fill out the bigs via a redux of the Amir-Zeller plan (with different players) on 1+1 team options for cap flexibility next year.
I don't know, and just between us, I would have to bite my tongue signing Blake on a long term deal too. Durability is an ability and he just doesn't have it, plus I can't decide if he personally reminds me more of a giant douche or turd sandwich.
...
It doesn't take any particular insight to firesale a team's assets and tank for draft picks.
I guess you could hire Hinkie so that he would absorb all the bad PR during the teardown.
I don't feel it is George OR Hayward as you need one to recruit the other. It seems more like an all or nothing situation where they either both decide to come to Boston together or neither do......especially George as I can't imagine him agreeing to an extension in Boston without a larger plan to compete for a championship right now. Prior to the George opportunities I had Hayward signing here along between 5-15% (depending on the week you asked me) so I suppose many of you guys could be right and that all he wants to do is play for Brad again......but George alone is a complete non-starter imo.
I was saying Hayward or Griffin is needed, not Hayward or George. Without one of the FAs, Paul George is not likely to be interested in Boston so, as you put it, it really is an all or nothing situation. This is why I'll be nervous these next few days. Ainge has done a great job of getting us to this point but if the prize guys don't want to come here, there's not much he can do besides wait and try again. Guys like Millsap and Gallinari are certainly good players but I don't want to tie up cap space on them since they won't move the needle much.
We're all banking on the Nets being a top 3 pick but if we strike out in FA and they outperform expectations, then our outlook does not look as rosy unless we see some real signs of Tatum/Brown becoming future stars.
Oooops, I read that as Hayward or George. My bad. Agreed that Millsap and Gallo are not on Ainge's radar as neither make any sense for us. Neither move the needle and both block Tatum.....not to mention Gallo is very limited and contrary to what many believe is a good shooter, not a great one.
Unless Olynyk is part of George trade this is insane.
Edit: I guess they can rescind it any time
Edit: I guess they can rescind it any time
It could mean any number of things but if the C's think they are going to swing and miss on one or both or all three of Hayward or George or Griffin it makes sense. They can pretty much keep the band together this year if they aren't getting any outside help.
Well that was sort of one of my two questions. 1. I assume (without knowing for sure) that if they rescind the QO they can subsequently renounce him to get the $7.2M cap hold off the books, yes? and 2. if he accepts the QO (maybe he doesn't get an offer sheet he likes), can he be traded after July 1 but before Dec. 15?
Watch Tatum and Brown develop and hope Fultz doesn't turn into a star. This will be a miserable offseason if we don't sign Hayward from the perspective of hoping to advance further next season. Whiffing on Butler, George, Griffin, and Hayward would suck.
