2017 College Football Game Thread - Week 9

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Sure they did. It tends to happen when you can't stop the other team from getting first down after first down.
Ohio State won both sides of the ball. Game was close because they gave up 14 fast points in the first quarter. And they played sloppy, still won. Schemes had nothing to do with it. The better team won.
 

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Ohio State won both sides of the ball. Game was close because they gave up 14 fast points in the first quarter. And they played sloppy, still won. Schemes had nothing to do with it. The better team won.
I don't disagree with that. But, if someone had told you or anyone else that Penn State would score 38 points today, I guarantee everyone would have thought that would have been enough. Barkley and McSorley have been playing great, but the strength of PSU coming into this game was their defense, which was holding opponents to less than 10 points a game. If their defense had even played average today, they win easily. I just think if we're going to lay blame, the offense probably shouldn't be the first choice.
 

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I don't disagree with that. But, if someone had told you or anyone else that Penn State would score 38 points today, I guarantee everyone would have thought that would have been enough. Barkley and McSorley have been playing great, but the strength of PSU coming into this game was their defense, which was holding opponents to less than 10 points a game. If their defense had even played average today, they win easily. I just think if we're going to lay blame, the offense probably shouldn't be the first choice.
It's hard to argue otherwise. Barrett carved up the D in the second half like he was Brady against Atlanta. Those last two drives were just easy, no defense. Meanwhile, OSU shut down almost everything Penn State threw at them in the 2nd half.

That swiss cheese defense is definitely the culprit. They scored 38 and lost.
 

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Is Oklahoma back in the mix for the playoff? Ohio St win looks better than ever. Iowa St loss still looks bad but maybe not disqualifying. And they have three more opportunities for quality wins.
 

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Is Oklahoma back in the mix for the playoff? Ohio St win looks better than ever. Iowa St loss still looks bad but maybe not disqualifying. And they have three more opportunities for quality wins.
If they beat an undefeated TCU on November 11th, and win out otherwise, they will very much be in the mix.
 

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I don't disagree with that. But, if someone had told you or anyone else that Penn State would score 38 points today, I guarantee everyone would have thought that would have been enough. Barkley and McSorley have been playing great, but the strength of PSU coming into this game was their defense, which was holding opponents to less than 10 points a game. If their defense had even played average today, they win easily. I just think if we're going to lay blame, the offense probably shouldn't be the first choice.
I don't often play the blame game. The best team usually wins. Penn State's defense hardly played any superior offensive teams in its first seven games. They're in the Big Ten, where explosive offenses are very rare. The Nits have an explosive offense but nobody close to this team saw the defense as dominating. I think it is the fastest Nit defense I have ever seen, but not the strongest. The D-Line is its weakest in 4 years.

I do appreciate your point of view. Maybe you are right. But this is how I rationalize tough losses. The better team won. Stronger team won. Look at the stats.
 

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Is Oklahoma back in the mix for the playoff? Ohio St win looks better than ever. Iowa St loss still looks bad but maybe not disqualifying. And they have three more opportunities for quality wins.
Any one-loss P5 team at the end of the season will be in the mix, especially if they win the conference, which Oklahoma would have to do to remain one-loss.
 

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Whoops. Still, beating TCU with 1 loss, and not losing any other games, would put them in the mix. There would be some great wins on their resume.
I think they'll absolutely be in the mix, and if Mayfield catches fire, and gets himself back into the Heisman race, it'll only help their chances. Their one loss to Iowa State got a whole lot better looking when the Cyclones knocked off TCU today. Iowa State could end up with 2 losses when all is said and done, and if OU runs the table from here, and finishes with that as their only loss, I think it'll be hard to keep them out of the final Four.
 

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Everyone all over Notre Dame after their "big" win against NC State today. I think NC State is a fraud, and as weak a #14 ranked team as you'll see. Their two high profile wins this year came against a Florida State team that we now know sucks, and a Louisville team that, well, also sucks. I predict they lose 3 of their last 4, including Clemson and BC, and either UNC or Wake Forest. Then they'll end up the 8-5 most people would've expected when the season started.

As for ND, I think the only game on their resume that impresses me is their one point loss to Georgia. Their win against USC does nothing for me because frankly, I think the entire Pac-12 is a bit of a joke this year, outside of Washington, so USC's wins against Stanford or Washington State aren't that impressive, IMO. I fully expect ND to run the table from here, and everyone will laud their win against Miami, who is another fraud, whose undefeated record is based more on who they've played than who they are.

All I want for Christmas is the Irish to not be in the playoff. Is that too much to ask? If Georgia runs the table and loses to Bama in the SEC Championship, I'd rather seem them in the playoff than ND.
 

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Clemson taking care of business against GT. 24-3 early in 3rd Q.
Run the table, beat Miami in the ACC Championship, and I think they make the final four.
 

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Everyone all over Notre Dame after their "big" win against NC State today. I think NC State is a fraud.

As for ND, I think the only game on their resume that impresses me is their one point loss to Georgia. Their win against USC does nothing for me because frankly, I think the entire Pac-12 is a bit of a joke this year, outside of Washington, so USC's wins against Stanford or Washington State aren't that impressive, IMO. I fully expect ND to run the table from here, and everyone will laud their win against Miami, who is another fraud, whose undefeated record is based more on who they've played than who they are.

All I want for Christmas is the Irish to not be in the playoff. Is that too much to ask? If Georgia runs the table and loses to Bama in the SEC Championship, I'd rather seem them in the playoff than ND.
Your final paragraph is unnecessary, as your first two already demonstrated your notre dame hatred.

If Georgia runs the the table and loses to bama in the championship game, they will definitely be in, and deservedly so. If notre dame wins out, they will be in, too, and deservedly so, but I'm skeptical they will.
 

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Lewerke trying to become only the 2nd Michigan State QB to throw for 400 yards in a game. And by 400, I mean exactly 400. That's the record, set in 1999 by Bill Burke. Never would have guessed a team with that kind of history has never had a guy throw for 401 yards. Jesus, recruit a QB at some point.
From 2004-15, Michigan State was quarterbacked by Drew Stanton, Brian Hoyer, Kirk Cousins or Connor Cook for every year but one. I'd say they've done pretty well in that regard.
 

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From 2004-15, Michigan State was quarterbacked by Drew Stanton, Brian Hoyer, Kirk Cousins or Connor Cook for every year but one. I'd say they've done pretty well in that regard.
I assume it was some kind of joke. Ohio State has only had one 400-yard passing game in its history, Alabama only two, and Michigan didn't have one until 2013.
 

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If Miami runs the table will they not be in?
If Miami beats ND in two weeks and then beats Clemson they’re in assuming no bad loss in between. If ND beats Miami they’ll get in over Clemson. Because they’re ND. Lolol

Be a giant FU to ND if Clemson at 12-1 got in over them at 11-1. Message that need to be in a conference et al

Think the two SEC schools and one loss or fewer B10 teamis a lock. B12 and P12 are out already. Maybe OU if they win out and Ohio State is b10 rep
 

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Everyone all over Notre Dame after their "big" win against NC State today. I think NC State is a fraud, and as weak a #14 ranked team as you'll see. Their two high profile wins this year came against a Florida State team that we now know sucks, and a Louisville team that, well, also sucks. I predict they lose 3 of their last 4, including Clemson and BC, and either UNC or Wake Forest. Then they'll end up the 8-5 most people would've expected when the season started.

As for ND, I think the only game on their resume that impresses me is their one point loss to Georgia. Their win against USC does nothing for me because frankly, I think the entire Pac-12 is a bit of a joke this year, outside of Washington, so USC's wins against Stanford or Washington State aren't that impressive, IMO. I fully expect ND to run the table from here, and everyone will laud their win against Miami, who is another fraud, whose undefeated record is based more on who they've played than who they are.

All I want for Christmas is the Irish to not be in the playoff. Is that too much to ask? If Georgia runs the table and loses to Bama in the SEC Championship, I'd rather seem them in the playoff than ND.
Wait...so who’s good in your eyes? I don’t know how good ND is but if they finish with one loss they’ll be in the playoff and it won’t have anything to do with being ND.
 

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Seems like he likes Georgia and that's about it.
I mean if you think the ACC and Pac12 are trash then ND’s schedule may not impress you. It also means you think that 40% of the power schools are trash.

A more salient argument (to me) is that there aren’t four great teams + resumes right now and ND is filling that void.

Assuming ND and Clemson win out (a huge if for ND), Clemson needs Auburn to beat UGA in order to have a better resume than ND.
 

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I mean if you think the ACC and Pac12 are trash then ND’s schedule may not impress you. It also means you think that 40% of the power schools are trash.

A more salient argument (to me) is that there aren’t four great teams + resumes right now and ND is filling that void.

Assuming ND and Clemson win out (a huge if for ND), Clemson needs Auburn to beat UGA in order to have a better resume than ND.
ND is definitely filling the void and it's insane to say they are just playing a retroactively easy schedule. Because you are right, if that is the case, nobody is great, which then makes ND's resume great again.
 
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Wow, cannot agree with that.

Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State are all top four locks right now. The fourth you can argue with and a lot depends on how you view certain conferences (ND, Miami, Clemson), how you view not playing football at all (Wisconsin) but I give it to Oklahoma because they have the best win of the 1 loss teams.
 

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Wow, cannot agree with that.

Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State are all top four locks right now. The fourth you can argue with and a lot depends on how you view certain conferences (ND, Miami, Clemson), how you view not playing football at all (Wisconsin) but I give it to Oklahoma because they have the best win of the 1 loss teams.
I could agree that Ohio State is a lock to be in the top four this week but if Oklahoma and Notre Dame win out they will both have better resumes than Ohio State IMO.
OSU can't afford Penn State to lose another game, that win is the only thing that will keep them in a one-loss conversation at year's end. This is with the huge caveat that ND/OU/Clemson win out.