2017 Jimmy G: The Dilemma

Do we keep JG as the successor?

  • Yes, Lifes unsure and Brady might actually be mortal and JG is showing too much promise

    Votes: 90 34.9%
  • We keep him for the life of his contract, If it works out it works out.

    Votes: 55 21.3%
  • Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 1" asset this off season

    Votes: 72 27.9%
  • Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 2" asset this off season

    Votes: 7 2.7%
  • Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 3" asset this off season

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 1+" asset this off season

    Votes: 27 10.5%
  • Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 2+" asset this off season

    Votes: 7 2.7%
  • Instead we trade JG for a "Tier 3+" asset this off season

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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Admittedly haven't read all 33 pages of this thread, but I have seen reference to whether JG is/will be a top 5/10 QB. My question is, does he really need to be on this team with this coaching staff? While having a player like Brady is an incredible advantage for BB, I wonder if he might almost prefer a team with no superstars. A team that the opponent will have trouble game planning against.

I do think the coaching staff has seen enough of JG to believe he is a starting caliber QB in the league. They made that determination with Brady by just observing practices when Bledsoe was the starter. As a qualifier, i don't think they believe JG is better than Brady (and they've yet to make the same determination on JB). But I think this coaching staff believes they can win with a "league average" QB who is consistent and doesn't make too many mental mistakes or turnovers.
 

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Pretty sure it is infinitely harder to game plan to play against Tom Brady than an average quarterback and that the coaching staff strongly prefers having an elite quarterback.
 

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Years ago I was a bartender at a Famous Dave's. One night, Jeff Fisher was in. His kid played football at UMontana and he was at every home game. Fischer was at the bar waiting for a table so I ignored everyone else and asked him two questions. Who is the most difficult QB to gameplan against and why?

His answer was actually awesome and I didn't expect him to be so wordy. He said Brady, hands down. He started talking about Brady's ability to diagnose a defense and that that ability is the best he and "almost all other coaches" have ever seen. His ability to get an offense into another play irrespective of players on the field was like he was sitting in a film room in between plays. Of course, he did say that BB and the staff couldn't go unrecognized here because of the player package designs but having Brady be able to diagnose, audible, and then execute they way he does was the reason he was the most difficult. He talked about Brady's work ethic and his drive and how it was known in league circles that Brady put so much time in to be the best out there. He said this is one reason he has these abilities. The last thing he said was it wouldn't matter who Brady was throwing the ball too, he was getting it done with Jerry Rice or Deion Branch. We both laughed at that.

So, yeah, I'd say having the best QB to ever play and game planning against him is unbelievably difficult. Perhaps Jimmy is putting in that time but there is no way opposing teams will have the same trouble than they do with Brady.
 
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Admittedly haven't read all 33 pages of this thread, but I have seen reference to whether JG is/will be a top 5/10 QB. My question is, does he really need to be on this team with this coaching staff? While having a player like Brady is an incredible advantage for BB, I wonder if he might almost prefer a team with no superstars. A team that the opponent will have trouble game planning against.

I do think the coaching staff has seen enough of JG to believe he is a starting caliber QB in the league. They made that determination with Brady by just observing practices when Bledsoe was the starter. As a qualifier, i don't think they believe JG is better than Brady (and they've yet to make the same determination on JB). But I think this coaching staff believes they can win with a "league average" QB who is consistent and doesn't make too many mental mistakes or turnovers.
They had that kind of QB, alongside the best roster in football and an easy schedule, and ended up missing the playoffs in 2008.
 

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They had that kind of QB, alongside the best roster in football and an easy schedule, and ended up missing the playoffs in 2008.
In an historic anomaly.

And yea I guess you can say it was an easy Schedule.

But their losses were not cheap.
Miami (11-5 eventual Div Winner traditional Div Foe)
@SD Chargers (Div Winner and 5th Best Point Diff Team....so they shouldnt have been 8-8)
@ Indy (who finished 12-4 and had likely 3+ HOFers on the team)
NYJets (Ok the one Gimme, but it was a Div Foe and in 2009 they went 1-1 against the Jets WITH Brady)
Pitt (eventual SB Champs who finished 12-4)

The following year WITH Brady they also finished 10-6 so some cracks might have been present in 2008.

So before we look at 2008 and decide that a low hit on Brady ruined another undefeated season or another SB or how the team sucked out loud "cause they missed the playoffs" we should consider some context.
 
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Years ago I was a bartender at a Famous Dave's. One night, Jeff Fisher was in. His kid played football at UMontana and he was at every home game. Fischer was at the bar waiting for a table so I ignored everyone else and asked him two questions. Who is the most difficult QB to gameplan against and why?

His answer was actually awesome and I didn't expect him to be so wordy. He said Brady, hands down. He started talking about Brady's ability to diagnose a defense and that that ability is the best he and "almost all other coaches" have ever seen. His ability to get an offense into another play irrespective of players on the field was like he was sitting in a film room in between plays. Of course, he did say that BB and the staff couldn't go unrecognized here because of the player package designs but having Brady be able to diagnose, audible, and then execute they way he does was the reason he was the most difficult. He talked about Brady's work ethic and his drive and how it was known in league circles that Brady put so much time in to be the best out there. He said this is one reason he has these abilities. The last thing he said was it wouldn't matter who Brady was throwing the ball too, he was getting it done with Jerry Rice or Deion Branch. We both laughed at that.

So, yeah, I'd say having the best QB to ever play and game planning against him is unbelievably difficult. Perhaps Jimmy is putting in that time but there is no way opposing teams will have the same trouble than they do with Brady.
This is a phenomenal story. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Years ago I was a bartender at a Famous Dave's. One night, Jeff Fisher was in. His kid played football at UMontana and he was at every home game. Fischer was at the bar waiting for a table so I ignored everyone else and asked him two questions. Who is the most difficult QB to gameplan against and why?

His answer was actually awesome and I didn't expect him to be so wordy. He said Brady, hands down. He started talking about Brady's ability to diagnose a defense and that that ability is the best he and "almost all other coaches" have ever seen. His ability to get an offense into another play irrespective of players on the field was like he was sitting in a film room in between plays. Of course, he did say that BB and the staff couldn't go unrecognized here because of the player package designs but having Brady be able to diagnose, audible, and then execute they way he does was the reason he was the most difficult. He talked about Brady's work ethic and his drive and how it was known in league circles that Brady put so much time in to be the best out there. He said this is one reason he has these abilities. The last thing he said was it wouldn't matter who Brady was throwing the ball too, he was getting it done with Jerry Rice or Deion Branch. We both laughed at that.

So, yeah, I'd say having the best QB to ever play and game planning against him is unbelievably difficult. Perhaps Jimmy is putting in that time but there is no way opposing teams will have the same trouble than they do with Brady.
The most amazing thing in this story is that Jeff Fisher wasn't a giant asshole.
 

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The most amazing thing in this story is that Jeff Fisher wasn't a giant asshole.

You know, I was waiting for him to be a giant asshole but he wasn't that night. He certainly had an air of "I'm an NFL coach" about him but in Missoula, he was just another parent supporting their kid in the football program. You can be pretty anonymous here without too much of the starstruck mentality that exists almost everywhere. While filming "The Revenant", DeCaprio, his gf, and Hardy would have coffee or lunch at two or three different curb side spots and people basically just left them alone. That was an odd few weeks, certainly.
 

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Sorry for the detour - but who bet me that JG would be traded for a first round pick? One of you suckers owes charity some cash.
 

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Sorry for the detour - but who bet me that JG would be traded for a first round pick? One of you suckers owes charity some cash.
Not me, I bet you something else, lost and paid up. And I'm hoping digging this thread doesn't reveal its me on this one. I think I'd remember.
 

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In an historic anomaly.

And yea I guess you can say it was an easy Schedule.

But their losses were not cheap.
Miami (11-5 eventual Div Winner traditional Div Foe)
@SD Chargers (Div Winner and 5th Best Point Diff Team....so they shouldnt have been 8-8)
@ Indy (who finished 12-4 and had likely 3+ HOFers on the team)
NYJets (Ok the one Gimme, but it was a Div Foe and in 2009 they went 1-1 against the Jets WITH Brady)
Pitt (eventual SB Champs who finished 12-4)

The following year WITH Brady they also finished 10-6 so some cracks might have been present in 2008.

So before we look at 2008 and decide that a low hit on Brady ruined another undefeated season or another SB or how the team sucked out loud "cause they missed the playoffs" we should consider some context.
The context you provided tells me they couldn't beat any good teams, aside from Arizona in a snow storm. I really don't know what that was supposed to prove. If your point is that the greatest coach of all time can beat bad/okay teams with a middling QB, then I'm in full agreement. Just don't believe they'd win consistently.

In 2009 the Pats lost Bruschi, Vrabel, Seymour and Harrison in one go. There were several internal problems with the team, mainly involving Adalius Thomas and Shawn Springs. From what we know, that was probably the worst locker room Belichick has ever had with the Patriots (his 2009 A Football Life special including the infamous "I just can't get these guys to play the way the way I want them to" quote). The 2009 offense ranked first in offensive DVOA, so they/Brady surely weren't the problem.
 

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There's sort of two separate ideas IMHO.

The Pats will not pull an Indy and just quit the season because their start QB gets hurt. They'll play next man up and, with an average QB, be some sort of competitive team.

On the other hand, there's no way the Pats are sitting around saying "if we just get an average QB it is good enough". They understand it is the most important position on the field and will do everything possible to have a very good player at the position.
 

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We have been in a bubble for 25 years. The last time the NEP had a starting QB incapable of getting to a Super Bowl was 1992. The starters that year were Hugh Millen, 7 games, Scott Zolak 4, Tommy Hodson 3, and Jeff Carlson (who?) 2. As anemic as that crew may be, it is by a huge measure more representative of an average team's experience than 25 consecutive seasons of Bledsoe, Brady. Which is a big reason why every season a significant majority of teams have no chance of making a Super Bowl. The QBs importance has only grown since we have had to taste the suck.

We got Drew Bledsoe by sucking at an otherworldly level. We got Tom Brady because of Dick Rehbein and pure luck.

Y'all go ahead and continue stressing out about JG's "lost" value in terms of draft picks. BB doesn't have that luxury.
 

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Ahh, I guess we're supposed to be psychics?
...or be one of us "I'll read anything in BBtL" types, who saw the Madden thing in the Nation's Tears thread. btw, here's a video that got posted there (and will be reposted approximately 14,744,857 times if anything bad happens to Brady at any point during the rest of his life):
 

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I don't think anyone should have questioned his desire to play into his mid-40's. Of course, it really doesn't matter what he wants. If he sucks in 2 years, he's done.
I envision Brady's career ending with a young QB duck-taped in a closet and Brady on the field wearing his jersey. He wants to play forever.
 

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It was amusing to listen to the PFW In Progress take on this. If the PFW guys are to be believed, and this is the kind of thing where they should be very much in the know, there is no bigger cheerleader in the media for Garoppolo than Giardi.

Not that Giardi is making anything up, but their take on it was that the people Giardi talked to knew what he wanted to hear, and that given the semi-anonymity of the sources, he was also free to only include those quotes favorable to Jimmy G.

BTW, they clearly also have a high opinion of Garoppolo, it's just that they thought this article was a little over the top