It's not even that for me. But he's talking like they made a big step last season, relative to NE, and that they had a better offseason than NE.
With neither of those things happening, why even talk?
2017 Dolphins: On the Right Track
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With neither of those things happening, why even talk?
Because its Jarvis Landry and that mental edge and attitude is literally what makes him tick on the football field:
https://theringer.com/nfl-playoffs-miami-dolphins-jarvis-landry-rambo-afca16c06a6d
HIlarious. The dude is a competitor. If you think Tom Brady doesn't go into every single game expecting to win, you're high on crack.
Miami overacheived last year, and I don't think they're that close to NE, but I have no issue with the any of the players not kneeling to kiss the rings and expecting to compete and win against NE.
Jarvis Juice Landry
@God_Son80
If wining every game wasn't the only thought in your mind no matter the opponent then why even play the game.
Miami overacheived last year, and I don't think they're that close to NE, but I have no issue with the any of the players not kneeling to kiss the rings and expecting to compete and win against NE.
Jarvis Juice Landry
@God_Son80If wining every game wasn't the only thought in your mind no matter the opponent then why even play the game.
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For sure. But it should be so ingrained that words are not necessary.HIlarious. The dude is a competitor. If you think Tom Brady doesn't go into every single game expecting to win, you're high on crack.
Miami overacheived last year, and I don't think they're that close to NE, but I have no issue with the any of the players not kneeling to kiss the rings and expecting to compete and win against NE.
Jarvis Juice Landry
If wining every game wasn't the only thought in your mind no matter the opponent then why even play the game.
That was one of Rex Ryan's problems.
My most recent memory of "mental edge" Jarvis Landry was week 17 where he cut into a 20-0 Patriots lead with a TD, wildly celebrating by throwing his helmet off and incurring a penalty. He has talent but could grow up as part of that team being accepted as a contender and acting like they've been there. His comments certainly don't help with any of that. No need to talk.
You take the good with the bad. I was simply answering the question as to why he would say such a thing. That's who he is - and what you've documented above about the personal foul penalty he earned in the 2nd Patriots matchup last season is further proof of that mindset.
If you're surprised by the comments, you must not be familiar with the player.
Good teams don't have to "take the good with the bad." If this guy somehow loses his big play ability from not acting like a clown/penalty magnet, I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, I'm sure the Giants are itching to get rid of Beckham. Ditto with the Steelers in regards to AB.
Hell, Adam Gase is on record addressing this exact topic. In short - you're wrong.
But continue with your condescending, holier than thou rant. It's entertaining.
Sure, I'll continue. AB and ODB are the best two receivers in the game and still each was on thin ice at certain points in the playoffs and offseason from stupid behavior. I guess Jarvis Landry is just as productive and the Dolphins have plenty of room for that kind of immaturity as they "take the next step" towards respectability.
OK you win. Slamming your helmet down and drawing penalties is awesome, it gives Landry an "edge", Gase loves it, everyone wins. Sorry for the disruption. Back to where it started--your defense of a player needlessly talking shit in the afc east offseason!
We get it - not the Patriot's way. That's really the entire point of your tirade, right?
The 'good teams don't take the good with the bad' was really just an indirect way of saying it would never fly in New England. After all, Pittsburgh, Miami and New York were all playoff teams from a year ago.
He went out of his way in the quotes I have seen to be respectful of "big brother" and especially Brady -- and even if he hadn't, there is nothing offensive about what he said. Different people, different teams, different approaches. Totally get it.
The problem, if any, is that insofar as this stufff is directed to the Pats, this guy and any others are preceded by Rex Ryan, who made an ass of himself every year for years.
The problem, if any, is that insofar as this stufff is directed to the Pats, this guy and any others are preceded by Rex Ryan, who made an ass of himself every year for years.
Nobody is going to change what others think on the topic. After explaining each perspective, that is clear.
Just move on please.
Just move on please.
Agreed--moving on--sorry. Let the games actually happen. In the meantime I am going to look for friends in a Patriots subforum on a Marlins message board.
Gase is the same coach congratulating players after a touchdown against the Pats where the Dolphins are still losing and he yells "they can't play with us". If the coach is this delusional, it's not shocking the apple doesn't fall too far. Talk is cheap.
Landry's resume speaks for itself. 2011 national champion runner up. He will be a Colt before all is said and done.
Miami brought in Obi Melifonwu for a pre-draft visit. While I do think he's a little bit more strong safety than free safety, the guy absolutely has the speed and measurable to play anywhere on the field and would fit in the "interchangeable safeties" that Miami likes to employ.
There's a possibility that he's around towards the end of the first round maybe early second, but if Miami likes him, I have no issues with them pulling the trigger on him at 22. I think I would still rather see a LB in the first, but unless a guy like Foster falls to them, I think they'll see better value on the board at DB.
There's a possibility that he's around towards the end of the first round maybe early second, but if Miami likes him, I have no issues with them pulling the trigger on him at 22. I think I would still rather see a LB in the first, but unless a guy like Foster falls to them, I think they'll see better value on the board at DB.
Love Obi. I think he'd be a great pick at 22. UConn used him all over the place so I think he'd fit well in an interchangeable role.
He won't make it past Seattle at #26; from what I've read, they are in love with him.
In terms of size and stature, Obi Melifonwu is pretty close to a Chancellor clone, however he posses elite speed and athleticism that Chancellor can only dream about.
I think he's a lot more than just a workout warrior though. He was a 4 year starter at UConn, and like I said, he's a bit more SS than FS, but I think he can play anywhere in the backfield. Teams are working him out at CB as well as safety.
Obi is a better combine player than football player. I watched several uconn games and teams took advantage of his lack of decision-making. NAvy literally went out of its way to attack him in its option offense.
Fish are one of three teams to have Reuben foster in for a meeting and also watched him again this weekend. Maybe as a 2nd round pick?
Fish are one of three teams to have Reuben foster in for a meeting and also watched him again this weekend. Maybe as a 2nd round pick?
Zero percent chance Reuben Foster makes it into the back end of the second round. If Foster falls to 22, Miami will be sprinting to the podium to draft him.
The day is upon us...
In my opinion, the two largest, most glaring holes on the team right now are FS and G. I know that Miami seems to have talked themselves into Ted Larsen being a starter, but let's be real. The dude is a backup. Miami could also use a DE and a LB, but I feel like they at least have replacement-level players at those positions right now.
Barring Reuben Foster falling into their laps like Tunsil did, I think Miami should lean towards a FS. I think that there will be a few guards they can target in the second round that will present a better value than Lamp in the first.
I think realistically, Melifonwu is still where my head is at in terms of what they need and who is likely to be there at 22. I've also started to talk myself into Jarrad Davis. If Barnett is there, I'd be cool with that too.
Should be interesting to see what Miami does. They're in a tricky position at 22 in terms of what they need and the players that may be available. I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade either up or down either.
EDIT: For what it's worth, Kiper's final draft has Miami taking Reuben Foster.
In my opinion, the two largest, most glaring holes on the team right now are FS and G. I know that Miami seems to have talked themselves into Ted Larsen being a starter, but let's be real. The dude is a backup. Miami could also use a DE and a LB, but I feel like they at least have replacement-level players at those positions right now.
Barring Reuben Foster falling into their laps like Tunsil did, I think Miami should lean towards a FS. I think that there will be a few guards they can target in the second round that will present a better value than Lamp in the first.
I think realistically, Melifonwu is still where my head is at in terms of what they need and who is likely to be there at 22. I've also started to talk myself into Jarrad Davis. If Barnett is there, I'd be cool with that too.
Should be interesting to see what Miami does. They're in a tricky position at 22 in terms of what they need and the players that may be available. I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade either up or down either.
EDIT: For what it's worth, Kiper's final draft has Miami taking Reuben Foster.
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BE happ[y they got Harris. the guy looks like a 23 year old Cam Wake. if they can somehow stop the run and gets teams into obvious passing downs with Suh in the middle and Harris and wake outside rushing the passer? that's nice
Foster may be there in the second round
Obi is a combine freak who isn't that good a player
Foster may be there in the second round
Obi is a combine freak who isn't that good a player
I'm not mad at the Harris pick. DE was definitely a need and Miami got the best pure pass rusher in the draft. He's a liability against the run, but he'll likely see the field in sub packages with Suh and Wake like you mentioned. Despite what it seems like, Wake won't play forever. I am slightly disappointed in passing on Foster, but his shoulder really might be a red flag if Davis gets picked ahead of him.
If they target a safety or a guard in round 2, I'll be pretty happy.
By all accounts Harris was a player they coveted.
Watching film, it's clear he has gifts you can't teach...at a position of impact...so the pick makes sense to me.
You never know how these things are going to go, so I'm good as long as the pick makes sense.
There seems to be good value/depth at secondary, so hopefully that remains the case for the next pick.
Although, even if that isn't the case, One big positive I've noticed from the organization is that there finally feels like there is a shared vision and defined systems/schemes under Gase. It makes it a lot easier to draft when everybody knows what they're looking for.
*edit - I may be a sucker too, b/c I wouldn't mind Obi either. I hope he's at least there at the pick and I'll trust whatever way they go (Can't believe I just typed that I'll trust the Dolphins front office...think it's time for bed)
Watching film, it's clear he has gifts you can't teach...at a position of impact...so the pick makes sense to me.
You never know how these things are going to go, so I'm good as long as the pick makes sense.
There seems to be good value/depth at secondary, so hopefully that remains the case for the next pick.
Although, even if that isn't the case, One big positive I've noticed from the organization is that there finally feels like there is a shared vision and defined systems/schemes under Gase. It makes it a lot easier to draft when everybody knows what they're looking for.
*edit - I may be a sucker too, b/c I wouldn't mind Obi either. I hope he's at least there at the pick and I'll trust whatever way they go (Can't believe I just typed that I'll trust the Dolphins front office...think it's time for bed)
Doing a little more reading this morning, it seems like Harris is a guy they targeted from the very beginning of the evaluation process, thought they wouldn't be able to get as the draft approached, and was the unanimous selection once Miami was actually one the clock. They reportedly turned down a couple of trade down offers because they wanted Harris.
I had no issues with the pick, and if he was their guy, over Foster or Njoku, I have faith that they know what they're doing. Greir and Gase both have ties to Saban. If they passed on Foster, I feel confident they were well-informed in their decision making.
Harris is going to be a nightmare for opposing defenses on third downs. Who do they double? Wake? Suh? Harris? Harris will likely be seeing a lot of 1 on 1 opportunities and I wouldn't be surprised if Miami used him as a Joker stand up linebacker just to get Branch, Wake, Suh and Harris on the field at the same time.
Guys I would love in Round 2:
Forrest Lamp
Obi Melifonwu
Marcus Williams
Chidobe Awuzie
Dorian Johnson
Issac Asiata
Cam Robinson
Zach Cunningham
Budda Baker
Desmond King
Lots of really talented guys available. Excited to see how Day 2 shakes out.
I had no issues with the pick, and if he was their guy, over Foster or Njoku, I have faith that they know what they're doing. Greir and Gase both have ties to Saban. If they passed on Foster, I feel confident they were well-informed in their decision making.
Harris is going to be a nightmare for opposing defenses on third downs. Who do they double? Wake? Suh? Harris? Harris will likely be seeing a lot of 1 on 1 opportunities and I wouldn't be surprised if Miami used him as a Joker stand up linebacker just to get Branch, Wake, Suh and Harris on the field at the same time.
Guys I would love in Round 2:
Forrest Lamp
Obi Melifonwu
Marcus Williams
Chidobe Awuzie
Dorian Johnson
Issac Asiata
Cam Robinson
Zach Cunningham
Budda Baker
Desmond King
Lots of really talented guys available. Excited to see how Day 2 shakes out.
I like the pick for all of the reasons stated above. Defense is a big problem as there are still needs at LB and in the secondary. The one thing that gives me pause is the injury situation with Pouncey. If he can't play they have a big problem on the o-line that will definitely need to be addressed. If they go interior lineman in round 2 I think that will tell you all you need to know about how the team feels about Pouncey's future.
I don't necessarily see selecting a guard as an indictment on Pouncey's future. Despite him being seen walking around with a cane earlier this week, all reports are that he hasn't undergone any additional surgeries, had a stem-cell treatment, and he's on target to be full-go this year. He's obviously been a bit fragile the last few years, but I do agree that if Pouncey can't go or misses a significant amount of games, Miami's interior line looks like a huge issue.
Larsen is a backup player. Bushrod is older and not a long-term solution at right guard. Miami taking a guard makes a lot of sense. I said it before, but guard and free safety look like the two biggest holes on the roster right now.
My guess is Miami goes safety or LB with an early run of offensive lineman in the second round taking the top options off the board.
no clue is this player is any good but he seems to be a Timmons clone. so they drafted a guy who seemingly plays the same position and has same strengths as their biggest FA signing
I like that he is a smart player, scouts really like him, etc
they need a safety/DB and a GUARD
I like that he is a smart player, scouts really like him, etc
they need a safety/DB and a GUARD
When you're one of the worst run defending teams in the league, the pick of McMillan makes sense. I personally thought Cunningham is the better prospect and Melifonwu would have filled a bigger hole, but Greir says he was the best player left on their board at any position. High character guy, high football IQ. He lead Ohio State in tackles the last two years. It seems like he fits in at SLB. Timmons will play MLB and Kiko will be WLB.
Tankersly might actually be a better pick. Miami was rumored to like him in round 2. Fits their mold of a big, physical corner. Faster than Xavien Howard is. Corner wasn't high on the needs list, but Maxwell could be gone after this year and having two young guys to groom in Howard and Tankersly is a good thing.
Guard and free safety are still holes unaddressed.
Tankersly might actually be a better pick. Miami was rumored to like him in round 2. Fits their mold of a big, physical corner. Faster than Xavien Howard is. Corner wasn't high on the needs list, but Maxwell could be gone after this year and having two young guys to groom in Howard and Tankersly is a good thing.
Guard and free safety are still holes unaddressed.
If they line up that way then they'll have big issues covering with their LBs.
Tankersley isn't a solid choice. I read they may look to trade maxwell today
Please get some oline help.
Tankersley isn't a solid choice. I read they may look to trade maxwell today
Please get some oline help.
Tankersley is one of the most physical CBs at the line of scrimmage in the class. He has to win there, because his change-of-direction is subpar. Good ball skills. I think he's a nice fit for a Seattle-type press scheme and a poor fit in a scheme that asks him to play off and tests his movement skills. Tackling was up-and-down. He also played quite a bit of special teams on coverage units.
Clemson put him on tight ends more than you would think, and he did pretty well there. I could see that as an option in some situations.
Clemson put him on tight ends more than you would think, and he did pretty well there. I could see that as an option in some situations.
To me, it makes a lot more sense keeping Maxwell for this season. He was actually really good once he got into the swing of things before he got injured. Miami has 3 young guys that they can continue to develop this year before turning the keys over to some combination of Lippett-Howard-Tankersly. Howard more or less redshirted last year. Tankersly needs some time to develop this year. Miami could actually look really strong at CB at this time next year if things go right. As SN noted, Miami does want to run Seattle's style of press-man Cover 3/Cover 1 defense, and Howard and Tankersly fit the mold for those DBs to a T.
One thing to note is Miami presently does not have a 4th round pick, but they have 3 5th rounders. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and trade back up into the 4th round today. Surprisingly, a couple of guys I like in Dorian Johnson and Issac Asiata are still available. Tedric Thompson and Desmond King are two safeties that are still available as well.
One thing to note is Miami presently does not have a 4th round pick, but they have 3 5th rounders. I wouldn't be surprised to see them try and trade back up into the 4th round today. Surprisingly, a couple of guys I like in Dorian Johnson and Issac Asiata are still available. Tedric Thompson and Desmond King are two safeties that are still available as well.
Well, Miami sucked against the run so they draft a LB and 2 DTs. At least they aren't standing pat. Lots of resources being pumped into the defense, which was desperately needed.
Safety is still a concern to me but I think largely Miami did a good job of improving the team as a whole this weekend.
Safety is still a concern to me but I think largely Miami did a good job of improving the team as a whole this weekend.
I just wanted to stop by quickly and say that I absolutely love Vincent Taylor. He's going to be a very good football player; I see him getting into the rotation as early as this season. Great, great pick.
is it weird to say I think the Dolphins had a good draft and I'm not sure they drafted one guy who will start? but I can see every guy making the roster
I would agree. I think Harris, Asiata, and Raekwon will see the field right away in some capacity. The other guys are largely depth at positions where depth was lacking.
As a whole, I think Miami had a good draft. I think we knew that this retooling wasn't going to be able to be done in a single offseason. Last year, Miami went heavy offense, this year, heavy defense. By this time next year, a lot of these guys should be contributing and Miami should have less glaring holes that need to be patched up.
Pretty much what they've been tabbed for the last several years. This year's schedule looks more difficult than last year's. Vegas looks to be taking the prove-it-to-me stance.
I'd take that all day, as I think this team's floor is 8 wins. More talent and depth, a lot of continuity, and an ascending coach and quarterback's 2nd year together. Miami should sweep the Jets and at least split with the Bills; so, at worst, they'd be 3-3 in the division. 4-2 may have to occur for the playoffs (9-11 wins).
The schedule component matters, but remains very fluid in the NFL. At the start of last year, New England's schedule looked formidable, but key injuries to star players on several teams certainly made things less difficult. There are examples of this every year.
The schedule component matters, but remains very fluid in the NFL. At the start of last year, New England's schedule looked formidable, but key injuries to star players on several teams certainly made things less difficult. There are examples of this every year.
Over the weekend they had some press conferences with the coaches and coordinators and I thought there were some interesting tidbits:
Miami is expecting big things from Devante Parker this year. I think we saw it in flashes when he was healthy last season. The offense looked completely different and Tannehill isn't afraid to put a ball up for Parker to let him go get it. The coaches are saying he's in great shape, healthy, and doing everything they've asked in terms of conditioning and nutrition, etc. If Parker can go from flashing dominance to actually becoming a dominant receiver, I think this offense takes a huge leap.
They think they're getting the Denver version of Julius Thomas, not the Jacksonville Julius Thomas. Whether it's health, effort, or scheme fit, both Gase and Clyde Christensen spoke very highly of what Thomas brings to the offense and think he's going to be a big contributor.
I actually think for both Parker and Thomas, it comes down to health. If they can both stay healthy and on the field, I think Miami's offense becomes very dangerous. Really excited to see how these guys start to play on the field together. I think they're going to do a lot more of splitting Thomas out wide and isolating him. This forces the defense to show their hand. If it's man coverage and he's isolated on a LB, Miami will be looking his way. If it's a zone, then Miami likely has a favorable matchup on the other side of the defense. This is a signature Broncos/Gase formation and it's something Miami couldn't do at all last year. No one is worried about Dion Sims flexed out wide. Thomas brings that element to the offense.
Miami is expecting big things from Devante Parker this year. I think we saw it in flashes when he was healthy last season. The offense looked completely different and Tannehill isn't afraid to put a ball up for Parker to let him go get it. The coaches are saying he's in great shape, healthy, and doing everything they've asked in terms of conditioning and nutrition, etc. If Parker can go from flashing dominance to actually becoming a dominant receiver, I think this offense takes a huge leap.
They think they're getting the Denver version of Julius Thomas, not the Jacksonville Julius Thomas. Whether it's health, effort, or scheme fit, both Gase and Clyde Christensen spoke very highly of what Thomas brings to the offense and think he's going to be a big contributor.
I actually think for both Parker and Thomas, it comes down to health. If they can both stay healthy and on the field, I think Miami's offense becomes very dangerous. Really excited to see how these guys start to play on the field together. I think they're going to do a lot more of splitting Thomas out wide and isolating him. This forces the defense to show their hand. If it's man coverage and he's isolated on a LB, Miami will be looking his way. If it's a zone, then Miami likely has a favorable matchup on the other side of the defense. This is a signature Broncos/Gase formation and it's something Miami couldn't do at all last year. No one is worried about Dion Sims flexed out wide. Thomas brings that element to the offense.
It's super, super early, but I'm starting to get hyped about Xavien Howard. He's been getting high praise from coaches and players throughout the OTAs thus far. He missed most of last season with two separate knee injuries, but he appears to be 100% right now and is looking really good. If he makes a big step in his second year, that would go a very long way into improving Miami's defense.
On the evening on training camp, there's a few important developments that have transpired recently:
The Mike Pouncey Comeback Tour is in full swing as of yesterday. Pouncey has been medically cleared to participate by doctors. His ongoing hip issues have cost him large chunks of the last few seasons, but Gase has been adamant that their goal is to have Pouncey for the full season this year.
This likely means he'll spend the majority of training camp and the pre season in bubble wrap, but everyone seems to be comfortable with that plan going forward and Pouncey is trending positively to be ready for the season opener.
Koa Misi has been placed on the IR, and may or may not retire. Can't say this is a surprise, as a LB coming off a major neck surgery and a laundry list of injuries, but still a bit of a drag. When actually healthy and on the field, Misi was a good player that did whatever the team asked of him.
Miami signed Alterraun Verner on a one year deal. He's widely expected to come in and compete with Bobby McCain for the slot position. Verner's career thus far has been wildly inconsistent. His highs are Pro-Bowl level highs, but he's also stunk up the joint a few years in between as well. Could be an interesting battle to watch throughout camp.
The Mike Pouncey Comeback Tour is in full swing as of yesterday. Pouncey has been medically cleared to participate by doctors. His ongoing hip issues have cost him large chunks of the last few seasons, but Gase has been adamant that their goal is to have Pouncey for the full season this year.
This likely means he'll spend the majority of training camp and the pre season in bubble wrap, but everyone seems to be comfortable with that plan going forward and Pouncey is trending positively to be ready for the season opener.
Koa Misi has been placed on the IR, and may or may not retire. Can't say this is a surprise, as a LB coming off a major neck surgery and a laundry list of injuries, but still a bit of a drag. When actually healthy and on the field, Misi was a good player that did whatever the team asked of him.
Miami signed Alterraun Verner on a one year deal. He's widely expected to come in and compete with Bobby McCain for the slot position. Verner's career thus far has been wildly inconsistent. His highs are Pro-Bowl level highs, but he's also stunk up the joint a few years in between as well. Could be an interesting battle to watch throughout camp.