2017 Dolphins: On the Right Track

pdaj · Jul 31, 2017

sodenj5 said:
Branden Albert announces his retirement.

The selection of Tunsil looks more and more valuable every day. Not sure how much the trade impacted his decision making. Maybe he pushes it another year in Miami. Either way, hats off to him.

Not sure if this impacts Miami in any way in regards to the Julius Thomas trade.

There's no impact at all. It's a bit confusing because the two separate deals involving Thomas and Albert were initially reported as one.

Julius was shipped to Miami for a '17 7th-round pick. Then, Miami traded Albert of Jacksonville for a conditional '18 7th-rounder.

Now that Albert has retired, Miami won't get that pick.

mcaqua · Aug 3, 2017

Well this just sucks.

rymflaherty · Aug 3, 2017

...And to think, I thought Ajayi's concussion was going to be the worst news of the day.

For once I actually had some confidence in this team and the direction they are going in, and this would just be brutal if it turns out to be a worst-case scenario.
I'm also one of the people that is shocked that people still think Matt Moore is a better option (over the course of a season) than Tannehill. Moorr is great for a game or two, but he's a quality backup, nothing more.
Honestly, if Tannehill winds up out for the year, I'd be all for signing Kaepernick.

I don't know...this all sucks and it's tough to process a couple days into August...hopefully this babbling and any worrying turns out to be a moot point, and things aren't too serious.

tims4wins · Aug 3, 2017

Armando Salguero‏Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 11m11 minutes ago
Video replay of Tannehill inj. shows him planting on left leg before he steps out of bounds untouched. Went down immediately after.

Rough Carrigan · Aug 3, 2017

sodenj5 said:
Remember when everyone kept saying that Tannehill's knee is totally 100% and there's nothing to talk about or worry about or ask about?

Ryan Tannehill scrambles outside the pocket goes to the sideline, falls and he is now down being attended to.

Maybe just a small bump in the road, maybe a freak incident of him stepping awkwardly, but expect the rest of the training camp and pre season to be focused on 17's knee.

Follow up tweets indicate he was able to get up and walk back to the locker room under his own power. Still a scary, potentially season altering moment.

Brady jogged off the field following the play when he got his knee blown out. Off the field under your own power doesn't mean all that we might think it does.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 3, 2017

Here is video of the Tannehill injury and it did not look good for him.

tims4wins · Aug 3, 2017

Clears Cleaver · Aug 3, 2017

Pats can rest starters again beginning in week 8. Lol

This sucks. They actually had a chance to be interesting this year.

The only hope based on that video is if he hyperextended it. But that's doubtful. When I tote mine I retore it with brace on. Just felt a pop. Didn't hurt. Barely swelled up. But not stable.

koufax32 · Aug 3, 2017

Barely August and it's already DRS Season.

Hopefully it all stays on the other side of the Karma Train tracks.

H78 · Aug 3, 2017

There's this guy named Kaepernick currently out of work...

Stitch01 · Aug 3, 2017

They fear PCL damage per the Miami Herald. That wouldnt likely be season ending although it might stretch into the regular season.

Van Everyman · Aug 3, 2017

H78 said:
There's this guy named Kaepernick currently out of work...

Fins already have a guy that can't stand.

rymflaherty · Aug 3, 2017

Rough Carrigan said:
Brady jogged off the field following the play when he got his knee blown out. Off the field under your own power doesn't mean all that we might think it does.

I can confirm that from experience.
When I tore my ACL I was was helped up but then was hobbling around on my own. Even drove myself to the hospital after the game.
You can tear your ACL and still walk around, it's the lateral movement that can cause you to collapse.

BlackJack · Aug 3, 2017

RedOctober3829 said:
Here is video of the Tannehill injury and it did not look good for him.

Just awful to see that. Hold your phone sideways for video people!!

Also, that did not look good for Tannehill. Sucks to have your season at risk before the preseason schedule even starts.

soxfan121 · Aug 3, 2017

I'm not an orthopedist, nor a doctor, but I have seen thousands of videos of dudes blowing out their ACLs while staying at a Holiday Inn Express. And it sure looks to me like Tannehill blew out his ACL on the video.

No $10, but I know for a fact that none of y'all actually pay Dr. Awesome his ten dollars. @DaveRoberts'Shoes isnt gonna be able to afford partying with the Pats post Super Bowl unless you cretins fork over all the copays you owe him.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 3, 2017

Hyperextension for Tannehill. He got really lucky.

mwonow · Aug 3, 2017

sodenj5 said:
Tannehill is made of fucking rubber and titanium. Unreal. On a serious note, the entire 2017 season circled the drain for about 6 hours today.

Sorry to intrude on a Fins thread, but - the bolded, in a nutshell, is the explanation for keeping Jimmy G around

RedOctober3829 · Aug 3, 2017

Looks like Tannehill isn't out of the woods quite yet.....

The MRI on Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill‘s already-damaged left knee reportedly showed no structural damages. Unless it didn’t.

Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports that the MRI was inconclusive. Per Salguero, all options remain on the table, and the worst-case scenario (reconstructive ACL surgery) could still happen.

So the good news really isn’t all that good. At best, the bad news hasn’t arrived yet. With the Dolphins not commenting at all on the situation, there’s an ominous feel to Salguero’s report.

And for good reason. The notion that the MRI showed no structural damage is technically incorrect; Tannehill suffered a partial tear to the ACL last year, and the ACL doesn’t heal without surgery. The question is whether the new MRI shows any greater tear to the ligament — and ultimately whether it’s torn enough to require reconstruction.

In the offseason, the Dolphins and Tannehill decided that it made more sense to proceed with an impaired ACL instead of a repaired one. The question seems to be now back on the table as to whether the ligament should be replaced.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/03/salguero-tannehill-mri-inconclusive-all-options-are-on-the-table/

NortheasternPJ · Aug 3, 2017

mwonow said:
Sorry to intrude on a Fins thread, but - the bolded, in a nutshell, is the explanation for keeping Jimmy G around

Why shit into the Fins thread with this then? There's 10 other threads about Jimmy G, aka the Jesus backup. I hope Miami the worst since they're in the division (outside of injury), but not every thread needs to have the PATZ RULE shit in it.

Kenny F'ing Powers · Aug 3, 2017

sodenj5 said:
Tannehill is made of fucking rubber and titanium. Unreal. On a serious note, the entire 2017 season circled the drain for about 6 hours today.

Or paper.

I'm happy the guy didn't blow out his knee. That's not how you want any teams season to go, even a division rival. But knowing his ACL is already unstable and that Tannehill relies on his legs a fair bit, after seeing this, I'd be shocked if he makes it through the season unscathed.

Of course, I'm not a doctor and I don't know shit, so...

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt · Aug 3, 2017

NortheasternPJ said:
Why shit into the Fins thread with this then? There's 10 other threads about Jimmy G, aka the Jesus backup. I hope Miami the worst since they're in the division (outside of injury), but not every thread needs to have the PATZ RULE shit in it.

Except that's not really what he's doing there, is it? It's pointing out a related issue and speaks to a general fact of NFL life that happens to be relevant to a hot topic of discussion from this off season.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 3, 2017

Ted Larsen is out a while with a bicep injury. They mention missing multiple weeks of the regular season.

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/08/03/miami-dolphins-starting-guard-ted-larsen-expected-to-miss-multiple-games/

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt · Aug 3, 2017

RedOctober3829 said:
Ted Larsen is out a while with a bicep injury. They mention missing multiple weeks of the regular season.

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/08/03/miami-dolphins-starting-guard-ted-larsen-expected-to-miss-multiple-games/

Crap like this is why the Patriots drafted interior linemen a bunch lately!

Dr. Gonzo · Aug 3, 2017

Schefter:
Dolphins fear Ryan Tannehill will need season-ending knee surgery, but no decision on it has been made, sources tell @JeffDarlington and me.
10:20 PM · Aug 3, 2017

Ed Hillel · Aug 3, 2017

Schefter:

Dolphins fear Ryan Tannehill will need season-ending knee surgery, but no decision on it has been made, sources tell @JeffDarlington and me.

Edit - Yeah, that.

nattysez · Aug 3, 2017

I'll be curious to see if Ross vetoes Kaepernick the way the Ravens' owner apparently did. One of these owners has got to care enough about winning to give him a shot.

Clears Cleaver · Aug 3, 2017

its normally october 1 when I lose interest in the NFL. last year these guys sucked me back in for the final weeks. Now? I'm out on August 4

soxfan121 · Aug 4, 2017

nattysez said:
I'll be curious to see if Ross vetoes Kaepernick the way the Ravens' owner apparently did. One of these owners has got to care enough about winning to give him a shot.

Ross was asked about it very recently - either before or just after Tannehill's non-contact injury yesterday - and he basically said "if the coach and GM want to sign a player, they can sign a player; I don't get involved in those decisions."

Which is not only the CORRECT answer for any owner, but opens the door for lifelong Dolphins fan Kaepernick to arrive at Dolphins camp by Monday. When the alternative is 16 games of Matt Moore, 47 year old second year guy Brandon Doughty, and a dude actually named FALES... then Kaep's phone will be ringing.

johnmd20 · Aug 4, 2017

I just saw (ESPN chyron) the Dolphins might take a look at Cutler, who would considering coming out of retirement to play for Gase.

CUTLET on the clock!

mwonow · Aug 4, 2017

Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
Except that's not really what he's doing there, is it? It's pointing out a related issue and speaks to a general fact of NFL life that happens to be relevant to a hot topic of discussion from this off season.

Thanks, yeah - I was going to just pass on the trolling, but that wasn't really a Pats-centric post, just one pointing out that a good backup QB seems like a waste of resources until you need him, at which point he becomes a really important part of the team

sodenj5 said:
What a roller coaster of emotions.

You guys can shit in Tannehill all you want, but you aren't finding a guy that can play as well as he can in August, including Colin Kaepernick.

https://t.co/iZ9yTuO6Ql

True, and I feel sorry for you guys - losing a QB is the worst possible way to start a football season.

soxfan121 · Aug 4, 2017

johnmd20 said:
I just saw (ESPN chyron) the Dolphins might take a look at Cutler, who would considering coming out of retirement to play for Gase.

CUTLET on the clock!

In case someone reading this hasn't yet discovered the glorious http://smokinjaycutler.tumblr.com/

tims4wins · Aug 4, 2017

amazing

rymflaherty · Aug 4, 2017

Hearing Cutler's name makes me fine with Moore.

I'm sure Cutler is someone they'd discuss internally, but on ESPN last night (I forget which Talking head it was from the ATH/PTI hour) framed that bottom line report as coming directly from Cutler and that there was no indication the Fins even contacted him. It was Cutler getting out ahead of it and saying he'd play if given the starting job and starting money.

Van Everyman · Aug 4, 2017

I remain convinced that 95% of the "Cutler sucks" movement is based on his face and body language.

H78 · Aug 4, 2017

I wonder if Cutler's in the process of realizing that working as a commentator/analyst requires actual work and effort beyond athletic ability and suddenly the prospect of playing football doesn't seem all that bad anymore.

Super Nomario · Aug 4, 2017

Van Everyman said:
I remain convinced that 95% of the "Cutler sucks" movement is based on his face and body language.

I think that's a good bit of it, and I think the other factor is that he was overrated for so long he became underrated. People talked about him like he was a top-10 QB, which he never was, but he's a top 20 guy, which is pretty valuable. I think he's better than Sam Bradford, who got traded for a first-round pick just last year. I see him as basically as good as Tannehill.

soxfan121 · Aug 4, 2017

Van Everyman said:
I remain convinced that 95% of the "Cutler sucks" movement is based on his face and body language.

Too high. At least 10% is the smokin jay cutler pictures.

pdaj · Aug 4, 2017

Super Nomario said:
I think that's a good bit of it, and I think the other factor is that he was overrated for so long he became underrated. People talked about him like he was a top-10 QB, which he never was, but he's a top 20 guy, which is pretty valuable. I think he's better than Sam Bradford, who got traded for a first-round pick just last year. I see him as basically as good as Tannehill.

If Ryan, indeed, can't go and/or the team decides to protect him from himself, Cutler's really the no-brainer option, in my opinion.

1) He knows the offense. We're in August already, so this fact can't be understated. He had arguably his best season as a pro under Gase, which occurred in the '15-16 season.

2) The dude's still only 34. He should have plenty left in the tank, but he's also at a nice stop-gap age. This ensures the "peace" is kept. Tanny, loved by his teammates, can help/root him on comfortably. Less likely to be any "Did he lose his job?" talk come next year.

3) On offense, the team's pretty loaded. No need to shoot for the stars here. Run the ball, keep things balanced. This worked well last year, and now there's more offensive weapons and the potential for a much-improved (healthy) defense.

I agree RT's similar to Cutler, with the caveat being 1) His athleticism and 2) His age, potential for improvement.

Miami should be stoked a guy like Cutler is even available as a FA at this juncture.

RedOctober3829 · Aug 4, 2017

More rumblings on Twitter that Cutler to Miami is close to done.

rymflaherty · Aug 4, 2017

This team really feels like rooting for the Sox pre-2004.

rymflaherty · Aug 4, 2017

Van Everyman said:
I remain convinced that 95% of the "Cutler sucks" movement is based on his face and body language.

That and the fact he's only had 2 winning seasons (College/Pro). Only one season with a rating over 90...and it's always somebody else's fault. There's always a dozen excuses for why he underachieved and his teams suck.
Then you add the Attitude and body language and that's why I find him annoying and overrated as someone watching him from the outside.
You can argue those metrics are basic and it's over-simplifying things, but they also are fact and it puts you in Cutler-apologist mode making excuses.

If they sign him, so be it. I hope he proves the stereotypes wrong...
If not, maybe it's not the worst thing as this team could play well and still be in line for regression. If that happens Cutler could be the fall guy.

It just sucks because this is the first time In what feels like forever that I was actually optimistic about things and they seemed to have a bit of swagger.
Though if I'm right about the swagger and heading in the right direction, even if Tannehill is out, that doesn't mean the season is guaranteed to go to hell...
(Sorry for the rambling post. This injury is just such a bummer and it brings back all the cynicism that has come with being a Fins fan during my lifetime)

5dice · Aug 4, 2017

axx · Aug 4, 2017

According to the Twitters, maybe a done deal with Cutler. $13 M, presumably for the one year.

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