2017 Dolphins: On the Right Track

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I suppose the US National Soccer Teams do have some important games coming up...
If it's not Soccer, He must mean the Giants then...

I come from a family of Giants fans, so I don't mind if they do well. Plus, sadly, the Giants are the team that's provided me with the most exciting (likely best) moment during my life as a football fan...so I may be able to get on board with that...:p
 

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Tannehill officially opts to have surgery and will miss the entire season.

Looks like he and McMillan will be rehab buddies.
 

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Right I knew that - I took the tweet as a sign that he tried to practice and it either didn't go well or that he suffered some sort of setback. I could be misinterpreting
 

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if Bryce Harper were a Dolphin, there'd be four torn ligaments. perhaps in both knees...

there's been a lot of positive talk about caroo in camp. I wonder if they dangle him or Grant in a trade for a LB or a LG. I also wonder of Albert is going to resign w Miami. but they can't go with Hull as a starter and no backup beyond moving Alonso back inside (which was a disaster).

becasue they signed Cutler, they don't have as much wiggle room with the cap as they did before
 

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if Bryce Harper were a Dolphin, there'd be four torn ligaments. perhaps in both knees...

there's been a lot of positive talk about caroo in camp. I wonder if they dangle him or Grant in a trade for a LB or a LG. I also wonder of Albert is going to resign w Miami. but they can't go with Hull as a starter and no backup beyond moving Alonso back inside (which was a disaster).

becasue they signed Cutler, they don't have as much wiggle room with the cap as they did before
JAX has said rather bluntly that he either plays for them or nobody. Reading between the lines it seems they think his song and dance is an attempt to pull a Favre. So taking their words at face value, his return to MIA is not going to happen.



Edit: Aaaand that was dated information. He was officially released on a Friday per Bleacher Report. Didn't take long to pull a 180 there.
 

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Fish signed Sean Hickey, former of the Pats, saints, Jets and vikings practice squads and also Syracuse. he was a LT in college
 

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Tony Lippett tore his Achilles in practice today. Non-contact, walk through practice.

Unreal injury luck so far this year. Lippett wasn't expected to be a starter, but he proved invaluable as a backup last season, playing at a much higher level than anyone anticipated. Real shame for him and his development.
 

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As much as I've loved and lauded the game of Football for being the ultimate "team sport", I'm also starting to hate it because more than ever it seems to be the ultimate small-sample-size sport and much of the success comes down to a war of attrition.

I'm sure that seems like an over-reaction to this camp, but it's been in my head the last few Dec/Jan's.
I think part of it may be just the sheer amount of coverage/analysis the sport gets...but it's often the random factors like injuries that define seasons.

Ironically, because of all the injuries this may turn into a fun season as a fan, because at this point I have no expectations...and this could still be a competitive/fun team.

*edit* as for the specific injury, this is another one where I feel worse for the player than the team. There's not too many things that I could think of that have surprised me more than Lippett turning himself into a viable NFL DB.
Just as he started to "get it" and what could have been his defining year (either way)...He goes down and it's lost and that really sucks.
 
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I agree regarding Lippett. He was one of the biggest surprises last season, and he went from awful in the preseason to legitimate NFL starting caliber CB in the span of a few weeks. You saw him develop and adapt to how teams were attacking him and seemed like the light was really turning on for him.

Again, after all the injuries last season, I figured we were due for some luck this year. Gase has said all the right things, next man up, etc., but this sucks no matter what way you slice it.
 

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As much as I've loved and lauded the game of Football for being the ultimate "team sport", I'm also starting to hate it because more than ever it seems to be the ultimate small-sample-size sport and much of the success comes down to a war of attrition.

I'm sure that seems like an over-reaction to this camp, but it's been in my head the last few Dec/Jan's.
I think part of it may be just the sheer amount of coverage/analysis the sport gets...but it's often the random factors like injuries that define seasons.

Ironically, because of all the injuries this may turn into a fun season as a fan, because at this point I have no expectations...and this could still be a competitive/fun team.

*edit* as for the specific injury, this is another one where I feel worse for the player than the team. There's not too many things that I could think of that have surprised me more than Lippett turning himself into a viable NFL DB.
Just as he started to "get it" and what could have been his defining year (either way)...He goes down and it's lost and that really sucks.
To add to your main point, the entire pre-season has turned into a long period of pure dread rather than one of excitement and optimism like, for example, preseason baseball still is. For starters, half the team is on some kind of "bubble wrap" program or injury protocol. Watching pre-season games, which I don't do too much of, can be excruciating, particularly when starters are still in the game. Every snap, you're cringing and praying someone doesn't go down. It's a weird way to "enjoy" a sport.

Another case in point, I hadn't gone over any of my usual NFL updates today, but when I saw there were new posts in this thread, I knew someone had been hurt. And right on cue....

Anyway, I hear you on the lowered expectations freeing up the anxiety thing, rym, but mostly at this point I've just become numb. Like pre-2004 Sox fanhood. Which is also not a great way to enjoy a sport.
 

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To add to your main point, the entire pre-season has turned into a long period of pure dread rather than one of excitement and optimism like, for example, preseason baseball still is. For starters, half the team is on some kind of "bubble wrap" program or injury protocol. Watching pre-season games, which I don't do too much of, can be excruciating, particularly when starters are still in the game. Every snap, you're cringing and praying someone doesn't go down. It's a weird way to "enjoy" a sport.

Another case in point, I hadn't gone over any of my usual NFL updates today, but when I saw there were new posts in this thread, I knew someone had been hurt. And right on cue....

Anyway, I hear you on the lowered expectations freeing up the anxiety thing, rym, but mostly at this point I've just become numb. Like pre-2004 Sox fanhood. Which is also not a great way to enjoy a sport.
Agreed, the preseason has become a hold your breath and hope no one gets hurt exercise for everyone.

If the NFL was smart (insert laugh track here), they'd cut the preseason down to two games, but we all know if that happened, they'd expand the season from 16 to 18 games because God forbid they give up the revenue, much like they did when they used to play six preseason games (and how idiotic was that), then cut it to four but bumped the regular season games from 14 to 16.

No one likes to see other teams seasons go down in flames due to injuries as these things have a way of coming full circle.

Best of luck Miami fans..................
 

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this is why I always reference this in regards to the Patriots. In the last 16 years they've played like 2 meaningful games the last two weeks of the regular season. That is so ridiculously helpful when it comes to healing and avoiding additional injuries headed to the playoffs. It speaks to their sucess and also to just how terrible the division has been since 2000
 

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I think the largest positive takeaway from the second preseason game was Cutler looked pretty decent, and the secondary's present and future looks bright.

Xavien Howard is a dude I'm really excited to see in year two and he made a really nice play on a deep ball INT. Cordrea Tankersley played well and came away with an INT. He will likely be thrust into a more prominent role with the Lippett injury. Maxwell forced two fumbles in the first quarter.

Miami's LB concerns are still very real. Godchaux looks more and more like he's taking Jordan Phillips' job and Miami has some questions still at guard.

The all important game 3 is coming up and Miami will have joint practices with Philly, so we should get some good practice reports this week.
 

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Phillips looks like a bust. Godchaux has been ok, which is winning him the spot. Sad

Linebackers are bad. The contracts for Timmons and Alonso should warrant more. But it's preseason. Hull is not the answer. They will be shopping or trading.

The o-line is still a problem.

So basically nothing has changed.
 

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Miami signs Rey Maualuga to a one year, vet minimum contract.

He'll be a two-down, run stopping MLB that they need since McMillan went down. The depth was needed and he's worked with DC Matt Burke in Cincy when Burke was their LB coach.

Signing seems to make a lot of sense on paper.
 

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In the latest "Another One Bites the Dust" installment, the Dolphins Kraig Urbik goes down and will likely miss the first game or two.

In a more random bit of disappointing news, recent reports have noted how Julius Thomas has been a non-factor this summer. To the point that Marqueis Gray may be vying for the starting spot.

Miami’s coaches and executives need to figure out if Thomas is no longer an elite tight end or merely pacing himself because at this point MarQueis Gray seems like a more productive option.
More good times in Miami.
 

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That just terrible phrasing: I am sure Miami's coaches hope Thomas is still an elite tight end, but they weren't counting on it because he's hardly been decent since leaving Denver, and Miami's coaches are not dimwits. They acquired Thomas hoping that he still had something in the tank but are seeing that he is, in fact, exactly what they thought he was: a washed up veteran worth a low round pick acquired in a salary dump trade.

The issue isn't Miami's coaches, it's Thomas's play. The implication that Adam Gase and company didn't know Thomas is what he is makes my head hurt. Of course they knew.
 

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That just terrible phrasing: I am sure Miami's coaches hope Thomas is still an elite tight end, but they weren't counting on it because he's hardly been decent since leaving Denver, and Miami's coaches are not dimwits. They acquired Thomas hoping that he still had something in the tank but are seeing that he is, in fact, exactly what they thought he was: a washed up veteran worth a low round pick acquired in a salary dump trade.

The issue isn't Miami's coaches, it's Thomas's play. The implication that Adam Gase and company didn't know Thomas is what he is makes my head hurt. Of course they knew.
You may be right, but they didn't exactly give themselves much in terms of other options. Gray is a five-year veteran with barely 300 career receiving yards. Anthony Fasano is a 33-year-old blocking TE. Neither Thomas Duarte nor Chris Pantale has recorded an NFL catch. If Thomas wasn't plan A, I'm struggling to see who was.
 

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I think it's still premature nailing the coffin shut on Thomas. He's reacquainting himself with the offense and yesterday the reporters were saying Cutler found him several times. Let's wait until we see how they deploy him in the regular season before we declare him DOA.
 

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You may be right, but they didn't exactly give themselves much in terms of other options. Gray is a five-year veteran with barely 300 career receiving yards. Anthony Fasano is a 33-year-old blocking TE. Neither Thomas Duarte nor Chris Pantale has recorded an NFL catch. If Thomas wasn't plan A, I'm struggling to see who was.
Valid point. I think the cap also played factor; Swapping Albert for Thomas (essentially) was a wash; outgoing Albert's salary is a bit higher than incoming Thomas's, which ends up even when combined with the dead money hit for Albert. The Dolphins are (now) about ~$7M under the cap, so it's not like they can afford to be wasting ~$1.5M, which was their "net" salary savings.

And they have Tunsil, which made Albert both redundant and a "problem", in that he's chronically injured and nearing the end while Tunsil is more reliable, younger, and has a higher upside. So the "addition by subtraction" factor also matters.

So, given the "need" to address LT and resolve it "cheaply", Thomas's acquisition makes a bit more sense. (Especially given his glory days with Gase.) As for not providing themselves a backup plan - cap crunch? Bad management? As you say, a struggle to see what they were doing at 2TE on the depth chart.

Given the moving parts - Albert, Tunsil, Thomas, etc. - did they make the right sequence of moves? It sure looks like they should have invested something in a 2TE. But I can also see why they took a flyer on Thomas – and why that wasn't a bad call by the coaches. Maybe Tannenbaum?

It's an interesting multi-position group "problem" of roster construction.
 

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The good:

Devante Parker looks poised to become a star this year. That 72 yard hookup with Cutler was ridiculous. If he can stay on the field, he's this year's Jay Ajayi breakout candidate. Cutler also seems more than willing to give him the Marshall/Jeffery treatment of throwing it up for grabs and letting his big WR win the ball.

Ajayi looked 100% and ready to pickup where he left off last year. A great sign after the concussion early in camp.

Timmons had an INT and generally played very well. Looks like there's still something left in the tank there.

No major injuries.

The bad:

The D got shredded by Philly's starters and reserves. Two straight weeks of them getting mauled.

Julius Thomas still not looking great. Call him the anti-Timmons.
 

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It was kind of a weird game, especially for pre-season. By "game," I mean 1st half. For one thing, if you like good old-fashioned shootouts, it was entertaining. Also, for the offense, a good test vs. a good D.

The Cutler to Parker bomb was beastly. Aside from that, Cutler seemed pretty comfortable with his receivers. Especially since protection was sketchy at times, to no one's surprise. Should be fun to watch the offense evolve IF Cutler can stay on the field. And if not, Moore didn't exactly instill confidence.

The biggest WTF has to be about the secondary. Since everyone in here is smarter than me, hopefully I'll see a decent explanation. Word from the mutual practices during the week was that they looked lost and got burned all over the place. You'd have thought they'd have tightened things up some. Very disappointing.
 

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Before last nights game I realized that this team has managed to fall into some rare cross-section where I have virtually no expectations, good or bad.
It feels odd, because I'm usually excited, or more often the past decade plus, cynical at this point of the pre-season...but this really feels like, "whatever, let's see how things go" due to the injuries and set backs before even taking a meaningful snap.
Maybe because of that I've warmed on Cutler. His Attitude seems to fit fine with the, F' it let's see what happens Attitude I have.

Last night I was surprised how early starters were pulled. Actually shocked when Mayock was talking about, "Well this is Dolphins 1's vs. Philadelphia backups" and the second quarter had barely started...so I guess we're done with the 3rd game being a dress rehearsal?
This is the first year I recall that happening, with this game being treated more like the 2nd game. I guess the inter squad practices were enough for the teams?
I'll be interested to see if that's the case tonight with all the teams, if no one is going to bother risking players for long in exhibition games.
 

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Before last nights game I realized that this team has managed to fall into some rare cross-section where I have virtually no expectations, good or bad.
It feels odd, because I'm usually excited, or more often the past decade plus, cynical at this point of the pre-season...but this really feels like, "whatever, let's see how things go" due to the injuries and set backs before even taking a meaningful snap.
Maybe because of that I've warmed on Cutler. His Attitude seems to fit fine with the, F' it let's see what happens Attitude I have.

Last night I was surprised how early starters were pulled. Actually shocked when Mayock was talking about, "Well this is Dolphins 1's vs. Philadelphia backups" and the second quarter had barely started...so I guess we're done with the 3rd game being a dress rehearsal?
This is the first year I recall that happening, with this game being treated more like the 2nd game. I guess the inter squad practices were enough for the teams?
I'll be interested to see if that's the case tonight with all the teams, if no one is going to bother risking players for long in exhibition games.
Your first paragraph reminds me of how I felt about the Pats in 2008 after Brady went down. No real expectations, but an attitude of "F it, let's beat some teams and see if we can sneak into the playoffs". Didn't happen but it was a fun ride
 

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Before last nights game I realized that this team has managed to fall into some rare cross-section where I have virtually no expectations, good or bad.
It feels odd, because I'm usually excited, or more often the past decade plus, cynical at this point of the pre-season...but this really feels like, "whatever, let's see how things go" due to the injuries and set backs before even taking a meaningful snap.
Maybe because of that I've warmed on Cutler. His Attitude seems to fit fine with the, F' it let's see what happens Attitude I have.

Last night I was surprised how early starters were pulled. Actually shocked when Mayock was talking about, "Well this is Dolphins 1's vs. Philadelphia backups" and the second quarter had barely started...so I guess we're done with the 3rd game being a dress rehearsal?
This is the first year I recall that happening, with this game being treated more like the 2nd game. I guess the inter squad practices were enough for the teams?
I'll be interested to see if that's the case tonight with all the teams, if no one is going to bother risking players for long in exhibition games.
Thus far it looks like the offense won't skip a beat with Cutler, validating all those who pointed out how lucky the Dolphins were he was available. So we're back to the usual crossing of fingers about the OL and the secondary. But I agree that a "What do we have to lose?" mentality is the healthiest approach for Fins fans this season. Maybe it can evolve into "Why not us?", especially after a few players start to heal/come off suspensions.

As for the pulling of starters, is it just me and my Dolphins-centric paranoia or is the dread of the possibility of losing guys to injuries in these games at an all-time high? Also, regarding last night's game in particular, that was a very offensively packed first quarter +, so the coaching staffs probably figured they'd seen enough..
 

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I think Cutler said the joint practices really helped him with the learning curve because the practices are more game-like in nature and situations. That combined with what Miami has already suffered with injuries was probably enough to pull everyone early. Especially on offense, there aren't a lot of question marks. Most of the starters are returning and relatively known quantities.

The defense continues to be troublesome. They sound like they had a poor showing all week and that carried over to the game. I know they have some new pieces and may still be adjusting to Burke's style, but they haven't been able to stop either the run or the pass the last two games.

In regards to the secondary, they should be improved. Howard has looked good, Reshad is back, and Maxwell is a returning starter. The only new piece is Allen, and I haven't heard anything largely negative about him. I hope it improves quickly.
 

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Reshad was a disaster yesterday. He missed like four tackles

If he's bad they have zero chance to be competitive defensively.
 

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So what do Phins fans think of this report saying that Jarvis Landry may be on the trade block since "the club doesn't believe it will be able to re-sign the former second-round pick"?
 

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Pretty sure that rumor has been refuted by everyone except Lombardi at this point.

On paper, it might make sense to try and get something in return for Landry, but the dude is the heartbeat of the offense, if not the whole team. If you trade him away, why the hell did they bother signing Cutler?

I would hate to see Landry walk away after this year.
 

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So... Jakeem Grant might be good.

He's absolutely roasted Minny's D so far including the latest 60+ yard TD to add to his preseason reel. Hard to tell if he's exploiting inferior completion, but the dude clearly had a gear no one else on the field does. Most of the writers have been saying he's looked much better as an actual WR this year throughout camp.

Miami is ridiculously loaded at WR.
 

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I think most in this thread are familiar with TJ McDonald. He's going to sit the first 8 games of the season and up to this point is most famous for concussing Jay Ajayi in Miami's first padded practice. Apparently the front office really likes him and have seen enough to turn his one year deal into a multi year extension before the season even starts.


I think he's young enough and athletic enough to pair with Reshad Jones and make a really formidable back two. My only concern is he and Reshad seem to have a lot of overlap in skill sets. They both seem to be best at SS as physical defenders against the run.
 

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The coaching staff's decision to move Grant to the outside has worked out brilliantly thus far -- or at least in preseason -- where he shined in 3 out of 4 games. The guy reminds me of a shorter, faster, more raw version of Steve Smith. I think he's going to make some plays down the field this year.

I, too, love McDonald and support the FO's desire to keep him in Miami long-term. He's a tough SOB, strong tackler, decent in coverage ... and it's not like Reshad is just an in-the-box guy -- at least not yet.

My #1 area of concern with this team heading into PS was the offensive line, but that has since subsided. I think Jesse Davis has represented himself well as the starter, and Steen has been solid, as well. When Larsen returns, I'll be interested to see if he replaces Bushrod instead, with Bush' returning to more of the swing tackle role. I've become a fan of Eric Smith and hope he makes the team.

My biggest concern for this team now is at LB. The depth is severely lacking, comprised mostly of project UDFAs who have shown flashes, at times, in exhibition. I'm a Hull fan, but I have reservations as to whether he and Rey will be able to hold down the Mike in this defense.

It seems as though Lacey's been cut, which is a minor surprise to me. While certainly raw, I loved his speed/potential, and he appeared to perform well on ST. I hope he makes it to the practice squad. I'd also be shocked at this point if the Fins don't make a move, either through trade or the WW, to attempt to bolster this unit.

I'm loving what I've seen from Tankersley early on. If this "switch" doesn't turn on for Maxwell soon, I'd expect the rookie to get the call. He could prove to be our best pick ... at least for this year.
 
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In regards to Grant last season, teams knew if he was in the game it was either a screen or some type of designed run if he touched the ball. At the very least this preseason, he's put plays on tape that will force teams to respect his deep speed and likely force most to play off of him. I mean, he beat man coverage and blew by the safety coming over the top against Minny. He has super dangerous speed. This opens up slants and screens underneath. I can see him being a real handful to deal with. Lots of kudos go to both Grant and the coaching staff for setting him up for a chance to be a real difference maker this year.

With McDonald and Miami's shortage of good LBs, I can see them using three safeties on third downs and having either Jones or McDonald playing a hybrid role in passing situations.
 

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McDonald signs his extension with Miami. Reshad might actually play next to another safety for more than one year.


Really like the move to lock him up. That's below market value for a good safety.
 

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Ditto, Sod'. Nice move about the FO with this one, which started with grabbing him on the cheap to begin with, which extended the evaluation period. Per Twitter, there's provisions in the contract that protects Miami from having to provide the guaranteed money agreed to if TJ in the event that he is suspended again.

Not home at the moment, but I'll look for the source on that tidbit later today, unless someone else is able to provide it.
 

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Series of tweets by Salguero. Basically Miami loves McDonald, they have offset language in his contract in the event of another suspension, and his extension is a true 4 year extension, so Miami will have him for 4.5 season basically.

Miami likely on the lookout for LBs, CBs, and guards today.
 

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Plenty of quality guards released yesterday. Not so much LBs.

It will be interesting to see if they restructure any contracts to sign high quality guys today. They don't have a lot of wiggle room after they had to sign Cutler

Btw, is anyone surprised that reports from camp are that players and FO all think cutler is better than Tannehill. This is practice, not games, but sets up interesting situation if cutler leads them to playoffs.
 

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Miami signed Cody Parkey off waivers and released Andrew Franks. Parkey missed 3 FGs for the Browns against Miami last year, however he kicked well outside of that game and was excellent for the Eagles, setting the rookie mark for points scored and making the Pro Bowl.

I believe I remember reading that Parkey literally met the holder and long snapper for the Browns before the Miami game like an hour before kickoff, somewhat explaining his bad game.

This move gives Miami two new kickers, as they also cut Matt Darr and went with UDFA Matt Haack. I trust Rizzi. He's a good coach and Parkey has a better, longer track record than Franks.
 

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Sad to see Franks released, would love for him to find another spot. He (rightly) stole the kicking spot from my younger brother at RPI. This leaves RPI's only NFL representative as Matt Patricia.
 

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Sad to see Franks released, would love for him to find another spot. He (rightly) stole the kicking spot from my younger brother at RPI. This leaves RPI's only NFL representative as Matt Patricia.
I like Franks, who, of course, made that big kick against Buffalo late in the year last season, and performed fairly well thus far in pre-season. Last year, however, it was clear as though the Miami coaching staff didn't fully trust Franks. He was given the opportunity to kick beyond 39 yards only 5 times last year, making 2 of them.

I hope he gets another chance elsewhere.

As was mentioned already, Parkey infamously missed 3 FG against Miami last season, after being signed by Cleveland a day prior to the contest. Following that disaster, he went on to have a fairly solid season. He was perfect within 40 (12-12), and 8-13 beyond 40. In his rookie season with Philly 3 years ago, Parkey was exceptional, and then a serious groin injury ended his '15 season.

He should be a legit upgrade.