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"Jimmy Butler Cleveland-bound picked up even more momentum on Tuesday.

According to multiple sources out of Cleveland, not only have Cavaliers players – including LeBron James and Kyrie Irving – been reaching out to Butler directly and through back channels over the last five days to gauge his interest, but liked what they heard back from the Bulls three-time All-Star.

One of the sources indicated that Butler would even push his front office to get the deal done, which is a huge change of direction for Butler, who has told both general manager Gar Forman and VP of basketball operations John Paxson numerous times over the last year that he didn’t want to be traded.


Sources close to the situation indicated that in his meeting with the Bulls front office last week, veteran Dwyane Wade told them he would not stick around for a rebuild. In other words, if Butler was to be moved, Wade would likely opt out of the $23.8 million player option he has sitting on the table and leave his hometown team after just one season.

That would open up a world of financial flexibility for the Bulls, who can still build with their young core, but also add proven free agents to stay competitive.

The Butler drama doesn’t end there, however.


If Gar/Pax fail to get a Butler-to-Cleveland deal done that doesn’t mean life gets any easier for the two.

A Bulls source indicated that the message coming out of the meetings with both Butler and Wade was the “Three Alphas’’ storyline is played out.

While Butler and Wade personally have no problem with Rajon Rondo, they would like a proven outside threat at that point guard position to open up the floor.

The Sun-Times reported last week that Butler has been in the ear of free agent point guard Kyle Lowry about coming to Chicago since the two played on Team USA last summer, and now there’s a new name in the mix.

All-Star Kyrie Irving has been contacting some of his former Team USA teammates and letting them know that he might be willing to push for a trade, especially if he feels the Cavs’ run could end quickly with James able to opt out after next season.


Through back channels, Chicago would be one of the places that Irving would be interested to play.

Obviously the asking price for Irving would be too rich for what the Bulls have, and a third team would also have to be brought into that mix."

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/sources-out-of-cleveland-say-jimmy-butler-will-push-for-trade-to-cavs/amp/


So, Kyrie has both been pushing for a Butler to Cavs trade but also possibly asking for a trade because LBJ is going to leave? Man, the dysfunction in that organization is unreal right now.
 

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Say what you want about acquiring picks and "master plans" but with George, Butler and Porzingis all (seemingly) available, DA has put the Celts front and Center in ability to acquire one. Basically if the Celts want one of these guys they can get them. It just depends on how much wish casting we want to give up to do it.

How many other teams can say they are even in the market for these guys?
The Cavs? With the Lebruncertainty its not the destination it once was.
Finally, one of these guys may swing the scales on Hayward.

Trader Danny has done a great job of getting them in a position to make any of these moves.
 

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"The Indiana Pacers and Los Angeles Lakers are engaged in Paul George trade discussions as Thursday's NBA draft draws near, according to league sources.

But sources told ESPN on Tuesday that it remains unclear whether the sides can agree to trade terms before the draft, given Indiana's desire to acquire the Lakers' No. 2 overall pick and L.A.'s well-chronicled reluctance to surrender it.

The Lakers have been adamant that they will not part with the No. 2 pick or last season's No. 2 overall pick Brandon Ingram in a trade for George, knowing that the Pacers' All-Star hopes to sign with his hometown Lakers as a free agent in July 2018.

One team source went as far Tuesday as saying there's "zero chance" they'd ‎surrender Thursday night's No. 2 pick or Ingram.

The Indianapolis Star reported Tuesday that new Pacers president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard is determined to complete a George trade either before or coinciding with Thursday's draft."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19689275/indiana-pacers-los-angeles-lakers-talking-trade-paul-george

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The Clippers, Rockets, Wizards and, yes, Cavs are among the teams that have also talked Paul George trades with Indiana, league sources say
 

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George's desire to go play for the Lakers solely because he wants to play for his hometown team is baffling. He seems upset that Indiana hasn't gotten him into a good situation to win basketball games but at the same time he can't wait to go play for the Southern California tire fire known as the Lakers? Has George himself in an interview said that he is 100 percent going to LA when he hits free agency, or is it still just speculation?
 

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George's desire to go play for the Lakers solely because he wants to play for his hometown team is baffling.
I can see him really wanting to be the "King of LA." Like Melo in New York. It isn't about rings to some players. But in LA he will be Magic's number one star, not a bad title.

Wilt wore 13, so he isn't getting that, but the entire town will buy PG jerseys the second he is traded there. Number 31 is open, that seems likely. 1 is Deangelo and 3 is Brewer.
 

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He probably figures that if he's going to be on a bad team, might as well be at home than Indiana.
 

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Didn't Paul George grow up a Clippers fan or is that a bad rumor? I'm having trouble figuring out why he'd want to do everything in his power to force his way to the Lakers when his relationship to that organization seems tangential at best.
 

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Didn't Paul George grow up a Clippers fan or is that a bad rumor? I'm having trouble figuring out why he'd want to do everything in his power to force his way to the Lakers when his relationship to that organization seems tangential at best.
He did but he also apparently idolized Magic. Because you know, he's Magic Johnson and pretty awesome.

Clippers don't really have anything to give up that people would want so seeing them mentioned in these rumors is pretty laughable
 

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I can see him really wanting to be the "King of LA." Like Melo in New York. It isn't about rings to some players. But in LA he will be Magic's number one star, not a bad title.

Wilt wore 13, so he isn't getting that, but the entire town will buy PG jerseys the second he is traded there. Number 31 is open, that seems likely. 1 is Deangelo and 3 is Brewer.
If that ends up being true then I don't want that guy on my team. You won't be much a king in LA if your team wins 40 games every year and is an afterthought in the Spring. To compare it to Melo, it isn't like he is beloved in NY; because his team hasn't mattered.

As for what Uno said, he doesn't have to be on a bad team. He could sign with a good team with cap space next year or agree to a sign and trade to send him to Cleveland or Boston or wherever. He's choosing mediocrity.
 

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Instead of being "King of LA", couldn't George just be looking at LA as a better landing spot for fellow star players to play alongside him over Indiana? A team with young players, picks and caps space. Is that such a crazy idea?
 

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Instead of being "King of LA", couldn't George just be looking at LA as a better landing spot for fellow star players to play alongside him over Indiana? A team with young players, picks and caps space. Is that such a crazy idea?
No, although the same is true of Boston, perhaps even moreso.

Maybe it's time for Paul Pierce to call up Paul George and give him his "How this LA kid grew up to love the Celtics" story.
 

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Instead of being "King of LA", couldn't George just be looking at LA as a better landing spot for fellow star players to play alongside him over Indiana? A team with young players, picks and caps space. Is that such a crazy idea?
Young players yes, but they don't really have picks or cap space going forward.
 

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Portland would be an interesting landing spot for PG. The Blazers have a few players on their current roster (Crabbe, Harkless) to pair with good stockpile of picks. Cap space may be a bit tricky, but that would be a fun team.
 

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Young players yes, but they don't really have picks or cap space going forward.
I was referring to #2 this year for the pick that would interest George. He may like the idea of playing with a pass first PG like Ball. You're right on the cap space, though. Those deals to Mozgov and Deng are brutal. I can't see either of those contracts coming off their books early, no matter who or what they attach to them.

And I'm not saying Boston isn't the better long-term situation for him. It certainly looks that way to me. But he seems pretty intent on going to LA, so I'm guessing he thinks Magic can put together a contender with him on the team.
 

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I was referring to #2 this year for the pick that would interest George. He may like the idea of playing with a pass first PG like Ball. You're right on the cap space, though. Those deals to Mozgov and Deng are brutal. I can't see either of those contracts coming off their books early, no matter who or what they attach to them.

And I'm not saying Boston isn't the better long-term situation for him. It certainly looks that way to me. But he seems pretty intent on going to LA, so I'm guessing he thinks Magic can put together a contender with him on the team.
Clearly, I'm a genius.
 

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I've always like Russell, snitching aside, him going to the Nets is a potential career killer.
 

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So Brooklyn is probably the same next year, but that makes LA quite a bit better. I'm not sure that is a deal that helps Boston's picks in any meaningful way.
 

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I like this for the Nets. Russell could be good; he's inconsistent but has shown flashes, and has a good feel for the game. Turning Lopez into a high-ish upside guy, and getting an extra first for taking back Mozgov is a nice pull for a team that's desperate for picks and young assets.
 

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They are desperate to unload that Mozgov albatross and they only way they could do it was to dangle Russell as well and since they plan on taking a PG in the draft (most likely Ball) they don't have to hang onto another PG. I love the move for Brooklyn, they were very patient with trading Lopez and they were able to get a top lottery pick who could end up being an All-Star, even if he hasn't blown everyone away during his first two seasons. Billy King fucked their organization over so bad, at least this allows fans to have some hope for the future.

If I'm a Laker fan I'm pissed because our front office handed out a free agent contract so bad that they had to dispose of a top three pick just two years after drafting him to get out of it.
 

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I think it makes them a little better. They played well down the stretch when Lin was finally healthy. I'm not sure we get any top 5 picks next year.
The lottery is the lottery, but there's no way this deal puts Brooklyn out of the top 2 or 3 worst teams, let alone top 5. They are probably still the worst on paper.
 

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Ingram/Ball/George/Lebron/Lopez is actually pretty scary.
It's going to be difficult for them to actually open up enough cap space for both George and Lebron. In any scenario Lopez has to be renounced. He won't be on the team after this season.
 

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The lottery is the lottery, but there's no way this deal puts Brooklyn out of the top 2 or 3 worst teams, let alone top 5. They are probably still the worst on paper.
The Suns and Magic will be worse next year if there aren't significant trades.
 

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Russell could be very good, he's not yet. Can Russell and Lin play together effectively? I don't really know. I do know that Lopez was the Nets best player by far. And if they are committed to playing Mozgov he's much much much worse.

Hollinger is pretty terrible but the trade machine has this as -3 wins for the Nets. That seems high given some projection for Russell, but I think 1-2 games worse sounds about right.
 

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This place is getting way ahead of itself on the LeBron to the Lakers rumors. Where did that rumor even start? Bill Simmons?

Put it this way: LeBron and Paul George are a really nice combination to match up with Golden State. LeBron shifts defensively to guard Green, and PG takes the Durant responsibility. That's a good first step.

But beyond that how do they build a team to match up with Golden State? Ball guards Curry? Ingram guards Thompson? There's no way either of those guys is ready for that level of play next season. It's really hard for me to see how LeBron improves his situation with the Lakers next year.
 

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Russell could be very good, he's not yet. CAn Russell and Lin play together effectively? I don't really know. I do know that Lopez was the Nets best player by far. And if they are committed to playing Mozgov he's much much much worse.

Hollinger is pretty terrible but the trade machine has this as -3 wins for the Nets. That seems high given some projection for Russell, but I think 1-2 games worse sounds about right.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the Nets deal Lin when the point guard carousel stops turning this year. He sells tickets, but that's about it, and they don't really sell many tickets either way.
 

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This place is getting way ahead of itself on the LeBron to the Lakers rumors. Where did that rumor even start? Bill Simmons?

Put it this way: LeBron and Paul George are a really nice combination to match up with Golden State. LeBron shifts defensively to guard Green, and PG takes the Durant responsibility. That's a good first step.

But beyond that how do they build a team to match up with Golden State? Ball guards Curry? Ingram guards Thompson? There's no way either of those guys is ready for that level of play next season. It's really hard for me to see how LeBron improves his situation with the Lakers next year.
Woj mentioned PG and LBJ being pursued by LA after this trade went down.