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cheech13

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There were rumblings as far back as last season that Aldridge didn't fit the culture of the Spurs. That's not to say he wasn't a good teammate or a hard worker, but his personality and character were too dissimilar to other types of players they had acquired. I knew once that stuff started leaking that he wasn't long for that organization.
 

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Windy on George/Butler: "Nope. Not happening. The Cavs were not generating enough trade interest in Kevin Love."
So Love isn't enjoying this is he?
 

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I think Aldridge is the type of player who will age very well. His offensive game is primarily based on skill. And defensively he will still be a seven footer deep into his thirties. Would love to see him land in Boston, but I doubt Danny wants to spend the cap on LA.
 

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League sources peg Portland and San Antonio as the newest serious players in the Paul George race. Spurs said to have a real shot at him.


Same source said Paul George would have serious interest in Spurs but would not commit to stay beyond the season.

 

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Considering the age on that Spurs roster, getting George (and potentially Chris Paul as a FA) makes a good deal of sense
 

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Considering the age on that Spurs roster, getting George (and potentially Chris Paul as a FA) makes a good deal of sense
That team would be incredibly good if they could pull it off. Aldridge is clearly the key here. They need to be able to turn him into something more useful.
 

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For a year. He won't resign there.
I'm old enough to remember when Al Horford wouldn't resign in Boston and Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook were gonna be Lakers no matter what.

Players let their preferences be known to exert as much influence over trade destinations as possible. It makes sense, and they should absolutely do so. But they're also smart enough not to leave really good situations for worse ones, and on the whole I think good teams/organizations should be very willing to trade for "rentals" and take a year to sell them on their organization.
 

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Although I personally enjoy western Oregon when I visit there (the climate is like the north of Spain and the west coast of France) most guys from sunny southern states hate it. Portland is a great place to live if you enjoy gardens, bicycles and wine. Not so much for the typical NBA lifestyle.

It isn't a bad option if he wants to be in a mild west coast city near California, though. Plus Nike is in Oregon.
 

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Players let their preferences be known to exert as much influence over trade destinations as possible. It makes sense, and they should absolutely do so. But they're also smart enough not to leave really good situations for worse ones, and on the whole I think good teams/organizations should be very willing to trade for "rentals" and take a year to sell them on their organization.
Yeah I distinctly remember Garnett saying he would never come to Boston and then everything changed once the Ray Allen deal happened. Not exactly the same scenario but point being that players say stuff all the time (or their agents do) for all kinds of purposes and change their minds frequently.

Now of course you have to discount his price because of his impending free agency, but I don't think that means you should only trade for him if (a) he has committed to re-signing or (b) you think you have a solid shot of winning a championship this coming season.
 

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Although I personally enjoy western Oregon when I visit there (the climate is like the north of Spain and the west coast of France) most guys from sunny southern states hate it. Portland is a great place to live if you enjoy gardens, bicycles and wine. Not so much for the typical NBA lifestyle.
Portland is one of the whitest towns in the United States. Although...

 

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I'm old enough to remember when Al Horford wouldn't resign in Boston and Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook were gonna be Lakers no matter what.

Players let their preferences be known to exert as much influence over trade destinations as possible. It makes sense, and they should absolutely do so. But they're also smart enough not to leave really good situations for worse ones, and on the whole I think good teams/organizations should be very willing to trade for "rentals" and take a year to sell them on their organization.
Remember when Ainge had Pierce traded for the pick that we were going to make Chris Paul before Pierce refused to go there which killed the deal?
 

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Fox Sports Radio report (announcer lives in Indy): Moving vans spotted outside of Paul George's house

It's crazytime
 
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Portland is one of the whitest towns in the United States.
I was trying to think of a non-judgemental way of expressing that, and figured "gardening, bicycles and wine" implied it. Portland is not a city that every black guy in his twenties will love.
 

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I was trying to think of a non-judgemental way of expressing that, and figured "gardening, bicycles and wine" implied it. Portland is not a city that every black guy in his twenties will love.
I remember when Portland had posters of Rod Strickland, with the caption:

Drafted by New York
Acquired by San Antonio
Chose Portland.

He chose Portland for his prime years (26-29), but eventually he chose the Bullets. Or the Bullets chose him -- I can't remember. End-of-career stats kinda run out of memory.
 

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Yup. Hey, if you want to make less money playing for a much shittier organization, go for it. Sounds like both teams got who they wanted anyways.
Oh please. This is a brilliant business move to not be a) Immediately named in trade talks to bring a veteran star to Boston, b) languish on the bench possibly behind any combination of these new stars coming in as well as Jaylen and c) getting limited minutes/touches on an established team.

It's all about getting minutes and numbers in your first couple seasons for shoe deals, endorsements, and your second contract. Armstrong handled this perfectly for his client to be in the best place for him to achieve all of these things.
 

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Oh please. This is a brilliant business move to not be a) Immediately named in trade talks to bring a veteran star to Boston, b) languish on the bench possibly behind any combination of these new stars coming in as well as Jaylen and c) getting limited minutes/touches on an established team.

It's all about getting minutes and numbers in your first couple seasons for shoe deals, endorsements, and your second contract. Armstrong handled this perfectly for his client to be in the best place for him to achieve all of these things.

Canceling a workout after team is in air flying across the country is not "perfectly" even though your larger point is correct.
 

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Oh please. This is a brilliant business move to not be a) Immediately named in trade talks to bring a veteran star to Boston, b) languish on the bench possibly behind any combination of these new stars coming in as well as Jaylen and c) getting limited minutes/touches on an established team.

It's all about getting minutes and numbers in your first couple seasons for shoe deals, endorsements, and your second contract. Armstrong handled this perfectly for his client to be in the best place for him to achieve all of these things.
Oh, please yourself. We all know people do this. The same result could have been achieved without canceling a workout mid flight unless you think that move was the only way to get what they wanted (not likely at all).

Or maybe you think Ainge was wrong as well to be upset.
 

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I think HRB's point makes sense post trade.

pre-trade, if a team wants to work you out to pick you number 1 overall? You're going to take your guarantee at 4 instead? That's multiple millions of dollars on the rookie deal, and number 1 picks often get endorsements right away. I'm not arguing that the reasons aren't correct, but I think it's bad business.
 

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I think HRB's point makes sense post trade.

pre-trade, if a team wants to work you out to pick you number 1 overall? You're going to take your guarantee at 4 instead? That's multiple millions of dollars on the rookie deal, and number 1 picks often get endorsements right away. I'm not arguing that the reasons aren't correct, but I think it's bad business.
HRB's overarching point is right but the execution sucked and certainly stonewalling the Celtics while they had #1 seems weird.

The same exact thing happened with Sixers and Porzingis 2 years ago. Sixers had 3 and Knicks had 4, just like Boston and Phoenix. Porzingis and his people simply refused Philly's overtures and he ended up going #4. He didn't play any additional games, like canceling a workout midway on a 6 hour flight.

And how did that work out for Porzingis? Two years later, his GM is trashing him in the media, his current team is a dumpster fire, and the team he wanted no part of is now has one of the best young rosters in the league. It's not always a slam dunk case that it appears to be. What happens if Hayward stays in Utah, Crowder gets traded, etc.? And there is absolutely a benefit to playing for Stevens vs. other coaches. The next contract is 4 years away - plenty of time for situations to change.

In the end, Jackson and Armstrong are free to handle however they see fit. I understand the larger rationale but thought the workout cancellation on a flight was pretty weak.
 

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Oh, please yourself. We all know people do this. The same result could have been achieved without canceling a workout mid flight unless you think that move was the only way to get what they wanted (not likely at all).

Or maybe you think Ainge was wrong as well to be upset.
The reports we here now is that this was McDonough controlling this process and the timing to have the Celtics top tier staff kill a day away from their work and alter their sleeping patterns. Blaming a 19-year old kid for this is ludicrous.....it was 100% McDonough and Armstrong controlling this process. McDonough essentially admitted such.
 

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The reports we here now is that this was McDonough controlling this process and the timing to have the Celtics top tier staff kill a day away from their work and alter their sleeping patterns. Blaming a 19-year old kid for this is ludicrous.....it was 100% McDonough and Armstrong controlling this process.
Was Ainge blaming the kid too? I was merely criticizing their methods.
 

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Was Ainge blaming the kid too? I was merely criticizing their methods.
Sorry I continue hearing the kids name mentioned and I'm being sensitive to that as he's a clueless 19-year old who isn't really involved in these decisions aside from doing as he is told. I had it 100% on Armstrong until McDonough came out and "took credit" for running Ainge and other officials across the country for 12 hours during a crucial time for the C's.