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Mildly amusing that BLESTO is an acronym for "Bears, Lions, Eagles, Steelers Talent Organization" but the Eagles use The National nowadays.
2017 NFL draft discussion/mock drafts
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Washington CB Sidney Jones, consensus first-round NFL draft prospect, leaves pro day on a cart after suffering apparent left leg injury.
Washington CB Sidney Jones, consensus first-round NFL draft prospect, leaves pro day on a cart after suffering apparent left leg injury.
Before I purchase the ITP draft guide, let me ask the experts here.
Why not Mixon?
With Burkhead on board, he will be a better fit than Cook/McC, neither of whom will be available when NE picks with a (possible) late first or second.
P.S. Everything I've read/heard so far points to his past incident as a one-time deal. I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt on being truly remorseful about it.
Why not Mixon?
With Burkhead on board, he will be a better fit than Cook/McC, neither of whom will be available when NE picks with a (possible) late first or second.
P.S. Everything I've read/heard so far points to his past incident as a one-time deal. I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt on being truly remorseful about it.
Not worth it in my eyes. Others may disagree. I like being able to root for guys on my hometown team.
Reiss was on ESPN radio last year discussing the Michael Floyd signing. He said the Pats pretty much have an unofficial policy at this point. They're willing to take chances on guys with questionable backgrounds as long as it's not related to domestic violence or guns.
I don't really want Mixon on my team either, but I think he's going to be a hell of RB.
I don't really want Mixon on my team either, but I think he's going to be a hell of RB.
I think domestic violence is a blanket misnomer for violence against women. I don't know that there's anything inherently better or worse about hitting a random woman over one with whom you're in a relationship.
Agreed. Splitting a rotten pea there.
Going back to Mixon as a prospect, Raiders could be a good spot with only Taiwan Jones, DeAndrew Washington, and Jalen Richard on the depth chart right now.
Question - I read that BB and company have been making the rounds for Pro Days including at Vanderbilt. They are seemingly still scouting first round talent.
Is this mostly just due diligence to be prepared for anything or are the Pats planning on getting a first round pick?
Is this mostly just due diligence to be prepared for anything or are the Pats planning on getting a first round pick?
Yeah. I generally don't care about criminal records but this one? Fuck that. I don't want to hold my nose.
The staff always goes almost everywhere. Even if they don't end up picking any of the players, the Patriots will face them and they may want them several years from now. It's almost more noteworthy when they aren't at a pro day. Sometimes which position coach they send to which school can be instructive, but usually it's just about having a body there.
Thanks. That is what I thought; I just didn't know if there was an expectation of them trading back into the first round (Butler or Jimmy G).
Cross posting from the Butler thread because I think it fits better here.
I didn't think Lewis was great for the Pats before, but he got charged with domestic violence two days ago. He will probably be available later than that. To me he's a straight line speed CB who isn't great reading or reacting to routes. What do you like about him?
Pats have removed Mixon from their draft board.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-join-dolphins-and-remove-joe-mixon-from-draft-board/
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-join-dolphins-and-remove-joe-mixon-from-draft-board/
This has probably been noted in the past, but interesting that the Pats narrow their draft board to ~75 players. Compared to ~175 for the Ravens.
50 to 75
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/caserio-patriots-have-only-50-75-players-their-draft-board
Mike ReissVerified account @MikeReiss 2h2 hours ago
Nick Caserio notes Patriots ultimately narrow down draftable list of players to no more than 75. For comparison, Ravens said 175 for them.
NFL.com's Chad Reuter's seven-round mock has the Patriots's picks as follows:
New England Patriots
Round 3 (72) Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan
Round 3 (96) Harvey Langi, ILB, BYU
Round 4 (131) Samson Ebukam, DE, Eastern Washington
Round 5 (163) James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh
Round 5 (183) Delano Hill, S, Michigan
Round 6 (200) Brad Seaton, T, Villanova
Round 7 (239) Tanner Gentry, WR, Wyoming
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801392/article/chad-reuter-2017-sevenround-nfl-mock-draft-team-by-team
New England Patriots
Round 3 (72) Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan
Round 3 (96) Harvey Langi, ILB, BYU
Round 4 (131) Samson Ebukam, DE, Eastern Washington
Round 5 (163) James Conner, RB, Pittsburgh
Round 5 (183) Delano Hill, S, Michigan
Round 6 (200) Brad Seaton, T, Villanova
Round 7 (239) Tanner Gentry, WR, Wyoming
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801392/article/chad-reuter-2017-sevenround-nfl-mock-draft-team-by-team
I don't know whether RB is a need anymore since we've signed so many of them but I bet BB loves James Conner.
I know every player has puff pieces written about them, but if I needed a qb for my franchise, this is who I would pick:
http://www.postandcourier.com/sports/soon-to-be-an-nfl-millionaire-deshaun-watson-will-never/article_0be0625e-2694-11e7-8e6d-3b41aab55cb7.html
http://www.postandcourier.com/sports/soon-to-be-an-nfl-millionaire-deshaun-watson-will-never/article_0be0625e-2694-11e7-8e6d-3b41aab55cb7.html
Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 11s11 seconds ago
NFL notified teams that Michigan’s Jabril Peppers tested positive for a dilute sample at the combine, league sources tell ESPN.
NFL notified teams that Michigan’s Jabril Peppers tested positive for a dilute sample at the combine, league sources tell ESPN.
All you gotta do is stay clean for a few months before the draft and you're a multi-millionaire, yet so many of these guys can't do it.
You KNOW you're going to get tested at or around the combine. So, so dumb.
Unreal.
I'm not so sure. What Mixon did was terrible, but when I think of representative cases of domestic violence it's usually cases where men use their size and strength to dominate and control women on an ongoing basis. The physical abuse is bad, but the stripping away of personal agency seems like the major source of injury.
True, but random violence has its own psychic toll different from that perpetrated by someone the victim knows. It's all bad.
That has to be straight from Charley Casserly's latest mock
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000802040/article/casserly-mock-draft-40-brownsjags-trade-nets-two-qbs
They mentioned he also had it. Their source was someone else. I imagine it would be the same person who gave CC his information.
It's hard to tell, opinions on him were so varied anyway. My guess is he ends up mid 2nd round now.
Why do we think the issue with Peppers was marijuana? Assuming you don't buy his story, I'm not sure why you'd jump to the conclusion it was pot rather than PEDs.
Coming from a town with a high amount of pot smokers and a new Walmart (when I was in HS), it was one trick to beat the test that a bunch of kids used.
https://www.google.com/amp/m.wikihow.com/Pass-a-Drug-Test?amp=1
Steps 8 and 9.
Not sure how NFL front offices look at it, but were it me, I'd be much more worried about his decision making and impulse control than the pot itself. Pot is certainly and obviously becoming more accepted, but if the player knows he is going to be tested, if he tests positive it means trouble - financially and going forward to put him in the program and limit his ability to use during his career - and he still can't resist using or possess the slightest of judgment to not use leading up to the combine? I'd be a bit worried about what else might happen down the road. I'm sure most of these people know a good amount of players use marijuana and it doesn't concern them all that much. But when a guy is specifically given instructions for a small window of time and can't follow them, it speaks to something I think coaches and front offices don't like and can be a tie breaker if nothing else when their name pops up on the draft board.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/25/unnamed-first-round-prospect-faces-sexual-assault-allegation-in-cleveland/
Unnamed first-round prospect faces sexual assault allegation in Cleveland.
A bizarre story has emerged in Cleveland only two days before the draft.
Via WOIO-TV, a woman has accused an unnamed NFL prospect of sexual assault. The player is expected to be selected in round one. WOIO-TV has decided not to name the prospect, pending the issuance of a police report. WOIO-TV also has emphasized that the player has not yet been charged with a crime.
Here’s where it gets weirder. The story quotes the lawyer for the unnamed player, but still doesn’t name the player. Kevin Spellacy represents the unnamed player, and Spellacy calls the allegation “ludicrous and ridiculous.”
“In my opinion this young lady is an opportunist and it’s actually despicable,” Spellacy said.
Spellacy told WOIO that the unnamed player was never alone with the alleged victim at the Westin Hotel in Cleveland, the site of the alleged incident. Spellacy also said that the unnamed player has three witnesses who claim the unnamed player did nothing wrong. Spellacy said he’s willing to make the player available for an interview with police immediately after the draft.
Unnamed first-round prospect faces sexual assault allegation in Cleveland.
A bizarre story has emerged in Cleveland only two days before the draft.
Via WOIO-TV, a woman has accused an unnamed NFL prospect of sexual assault. The player is expected to be selected in round one. WOIO-TV has decided not to name the prospect, pending the issuance of a police report. WOIO-TV also has emphasized that the player has not yet been charged with a crime.
Here’s where it gets weirder. The story quotes the lawyer for the unnamed player, but still doesn’t name the player. Kevin Spellacy represents the unnamed player, and Spellacy calls the allegation “ludicrous and ridiculous.”
“In my opinion this young lady is an opportunist and it’s actually despicable,” Spellacy said.
Spellacy told WOIO that the unnamed player was never alone with the alleged victim at the Westin Hotel in Cleveland, the site of the alleged incident. Spellacy also said that the unnamed player has three witnesses who claim the unnamed player did nothing wrong. Spellacy said he’s willing to make the player available for an interview with police immediately after the draft.
TMZ SportsVerified account @TMZ_Sports 29m29 minutes ago
NFL Prospect Gareon Conley Accused of Rape, Strongly Denies Allegations
NFL Prospect Gareon Conley Accused of Rape, Strongly Denies Allegations
Here's some FWIW info. From sources pretty close to a specific player in this draft (you guys can probably guess), word is Cleveland wants to trade up from 12 to 5 to take Watson. When I asked what about Trubisky, I was told they think he'll be gone by 5 and they don't want to use the 1 on a QB. So they would take Garrett, watch MT get drafted soon after and trade up to get Watson, switching with the Titans. I'd assume if MT is available at 5, he'd be their guy, but they don't think he will be.
Peter King had this to say in his MMQB mock:
6. CLEVELAND (from N.Y. Jets)
Browns trade 12th, 33rd and 181st picks for No. 6 overall.
Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
Could divide the building, but owner hired DePodesta to make ballsy calls like this.
So basically the same thought at PiMB. Since when does Ballsy mean dumb?
6. CLEVELAND (from N.Y. Jets)
Browns trade 12th, 33rd and 181st picks for No. 6 overall.
Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
Could divide the building, but owner hired DePodesta to make ballsy calls like this.
So basically the same thought at PiMB. Since when does Ballsy mean dumb?
It's amazing how teams pay so much year after year for prospect QBs, even when the ratings of the QBs vary so widely.
There is no question that if you get it right there is value in such a trade---but teams do it every year, and there are not top QB prospects every year.
There is no question that if you get it right there is value in such a trade---but teams do it every year, and there are not top QB prospects every year.