2017 Patriots FA & Trades Thread

Stitch01

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Gronk reliabiliy produced at an elite level in both '14 and '15. There's a reasonable chance they dont give him another contract and/or that he breaks down further, but at his current contract and level of play he is fine for 2017 for sure.
 

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Trying to project what the Patriots have left on the cap:

Miguel has the cap space around $50.3 million.

He projects Gilmore as $8.5m against the cap.

Branch is likely to be in the $5m neighborhood.

Harmon, need to see what it looks like, but let's guess $4m.

That leaves about $32.8 million, plus they have an invisible amount to add back in based on what happens with Amendola. If they cut him, add back in $6m. If they restructure, it depends on the terms, but they will likely save at least $3.5 to $4 million. So, conservatively, the Patriots are down to about $37 million.
 

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DDB, does that count Dwayne Allen too?

If it doesn't, then call it just under $30 Million including (very roughly) the amount they'll need to sign the draft class?
 

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DDB, does that count Dwayne Allen too?

If it doesn't, then call it just under $30 Million including (very roughly) the amount they'll need to sign the draft class?
Yes -- I think Miguel has Allen in on the 50.3m number.
 

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I am not savvy on the negotiation processes, but it seems odd that the two sides have not met to discuss number's.

Per Reiss:
"“The Patriots haven’t approached Malcolm about his contract since last year, and anything that says he keeps asking for the moon is completely false,” Simpson said."
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4801644/malcolm-butlers-agent-no-contracts-talks-since-last-year-not-asking-for-moon
He has to deny this. Would make Malcolm look really stupid if he thought that the Patriots actually owned the moon.
 

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Haven't seen it mentioned, and a little oversimplified, but if Hightower ends up back here then Bennett and Gilmore likely cancel out so no comp pick coming back for Bennett.
 

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So let me get this straight, we win the Super Bowl and then during the offseason obtain one of the top 3 on the market CB, WR, and DE/OLB's with only giving up draft picks and Kraft's Kash? And if we want to (but don't according to Schefter) can get 12 and 33 (or more) for Jimmy G?

Bwahahahahaha
 

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Marty's deal with the Packers sounds pretty reasonable. 3/18.5 or so. That's really surprising to me and means we likely won't have a third round pick to offset the Gilmore signing.
 

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The speculation was Marty was looking for 9 per. His deal seems close enough to the Allen money to be somewhat of a headscratcher, and leads one wonder if there was something else going on.
 

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Why? Can you explain?
I was talking about the compensatory picks. They are based on the annual value of the contract your free agent player signs with another team. If Marty signs a contract worth around $6.5m, it won't fetch a high compensatory pick. Compensatory picks also net out. As I understand it, look at the free agents you signed and the ones you lost and net it out based on a number of factors but salary is the most significant. So, I was hoping Marty would sign a big deal if he went somewhere else to net out against the big Gilmore signing.
 

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Maybe Justin Hunter just wanted directions to the Friendly's in Swansea? Because I can't imagine why else he'd be dropping by.

More relevantly, is this the end of Floyd and Amendola?
I don't see much need for Amendola at this point but Floyd still intrigues me since our receivers don't have much size. If Hunter is being brought in, Belichick may still be looking for a bigger WR.
 

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It's like you fucking people just post from an echo chamber.
I think you know the difference between "bigger", which is what I wrote and "tall", which is what you wrote. Try reading a post before being a jackass.

And, to answer your question, 6'0 and 6'1 is not "tall" for an NFL WR.
 

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Interesting figures on Marty. But have to remember Allen is 3 years younger (or
is it 2)?
And, as much as we all love him and as great as he was this year, he has some history of not being a great locker room guy. In a place like GB where they're competing for the NFC title, that must have weighed a bit on their minds as they made an offer.
 

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The speculation was Marty was looking for 9 per. His deal seems close enough to the Allen money to be somewhat of a headscratcher, and leads one wonder if there was something else going on.
Maybe that's the number his agent brought to the Pats, so the Pats balked and grabbed Allen. Then the market never materialized the way he thought it would.

Sucks for all involved, but that's the business.
 

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The speculation was Marty was looking for 9 per. His deal seems close enough to the Allen money to be somewhat of a headscratcher, and leads one wonder if there was something else going on.
Not being a Patriot, it's not like I have the faintest clue... but to clarify "something going on" could well reflect something other than fit in the locker room.

Like their take on Marty's health, or some nuance in a scheme they're developing for 2017. Or the knowledge that eventually Cooks would be joining the band, and that wouldn't leave enough footballs to feed Bennett.
 

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Marty's 30 and had about 5 different injuries this season. GB will get one good season out of him.
 

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With the ridiculously awesome Alan Branch contract (3.75 cap hit this season, nothing further guaranteed), Pats have 42 million left in cap space, assuming the Amendola cut.
 

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How do they end up spending that? It looks like they won't have to allocate as much to the draft, even if they re-sign Hightower, extend Butler, and sign a veteran RB they'll still have plenty of room, correct?
 

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You were wrong, called on it, and now are resorting to personal attacks. Ignored.

I don't think he was wrong because you aren't talking about someone who is Gronk like in mass, correct? It's pretty obvious that BB doesn't shop for WR who are 6'4" because, aside from Moss, the Pats really haven't sought those guys. It's clear they look for pure route runners, very good possession/hands guys irrespective of height. And really, acquiring Moss for a 4th was a no brainer.

There is no indication BB is looking for a "bigger" WR. Just because Hunter was here doesn't mean shit. Hell, he just traded for a 5'10" guy. Is he "bigger"?
 

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Are there any big O-line guys still available?

IMO if they can do something reasonable with Butler and Hightower, Brady's health and well being should be the priority.
 

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I don't think he was wrong because you aren't talking about someone who is Gronk like in mass, correct? It's pretty obvious that BB doesn't shop for WR who are 6'4" because, aside from Moss, the Pats really haven't sought those guys. It's clear they look for pure route runners, very good possession/hands guys irrespective of height. And really, acquiring Moss for a 4th was a no brainer.

There is no indication BB is looking for a "bigger" WR. Just because Hunter was here doesn't mean shit. Hell, he just traded for a 5'10" guy. Is he "bigger"?
What WRs are Gronk-like in mass? Certainly not Malcolm which was one of Quint's examples as a "taller" WR (which wasn't even the language I used). But I'm not interested in a flame war, as I don't feel the need to personally attack people I disagree with.

Belichick has gone after/drafted "bigger" (or taller or whatever label we want to attach since the term can describe both height or mass) WRs before. At 6'3, Aaron Dobson is a recent example. Brian Tyms is another. Neither of those guys are "pure route runners with very good hands".

There is no indication BB is doing anything. All we're left to do is speculate based on the few data points we have. I was doing just that while also adding my opinion that I wouldn't mind having a WR who is bigger than what we currently have. Floyd would qualify. Hunter may as well because he offers height that nobody else on the roster has. I like Floyd more because he brings both height and physicality.

Anyone they bring in now is not likely to have much of a role on offense outside of certain packages so who knows what they're looking for. It could just as easily be another smurf in a restructured Amendola.