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There's also the related minor complicating factor that, depending on how you factor in postseason play, Brady (arguably the best player in league history) was either the best or 2nd best player in the league last year and had one of his three best seasons adjusting for the farcical suspension. He's 40, maybe father time gets him this year, but this "telling him its time to retire' talk seems like its getting a wee bit ahead of things, probably should wait until he isnt arguably the most valuable asset in the league for the upcoming season before going that route.

Trying to dissect the meaning of the latest Skip Bayless hot take seems a little fruitless to me.
 

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It's nothing more than clicks when Brady is the topic of discussion today across the NFL. It's beyond worthless.
 

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Imagine if they didn't cover him? We'd all be up in arms about how the GOAT gets ignored by ESPN, Fox Sports, NFLN, etc.
 

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As someone that tends to give Skip the benefit of the doubt because he's often had that Pats' backs whenever ridiculous controversy unfolds, I wonder what's bringing him to say this?

I know the easy answer is that he's just seeking eyeballs, but I wonder if he's talking about after this camp or next year.
The answer is his annual salary, which reportedly is in the area of $6 million. He's not an idiot. The collective we are idiots for supporting that salary.
 

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I don't think it's all that stupid of a take, honestly. I understand the QB position is important and Brady is 40 so you want to protect yourself in 2017, but turning down the reported package Cleveland offered (a first and two seconds), not to mention Schefter's insistence 4 firsts wouldn't have done it, indicates to me Belichick is seriously considering the switch for the long-term good. I just don't think you turn down that package for one season as a backup and the unlikely possibility Brady falls off a cliff.
 

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Instead of debating whether Skip Bayless is onto something for suggesting BB will trade or cut TB12 in lieu of Jimmy G, is anybody else holding their breath a little right now?
Why? Because with Tannehill the Dolphins might finish 9-7 and second in the division and without him have a chance to finish 6-10 and in third place?

I don't usually hold my breath for anything less than a 5 game swing.
 

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I was just thinking how lucky Pats are to have Jimmy G as well, and throwing a pinch of salt over my shoulder...
The Pats are better positioned than most other teams. What we'd get over a long stretch has a lot of uncertainty associated with it.

Tannehill is a reminder that predictions of 19-0 are beyond ignorant.
 

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I don't think it's all that stupid of a take, honestly. I understand the QB position is important and Brady is 40 so you want to protect yourself in 2017, but turning down the reported package Cleveland offered (a first and two seconds), not to mention Schefter's insistence 4 firsts wouldn't have done it, indicates to me Belichick is seriously considering the switch for the long-term good. I just don't think you turn down that package for one season as a backup and the unlikely possibility Brady falls off a cliff.
This is another great point that I failed to bring up in my post.

There are only two seemingly plausible scenarios as to why they wouldn't give up Jimmy, before a contract year, for the kind of hauls they likely could have gotten for him at the draft:

1) Brady's told them he's done after this year or next year (and after this year they just franchise Jimmy then extend him when he takes over).

2) They plan to give Brady 1-2 more years before moving onto Jimmy no matter what Brady thinks, and if Brady doesn't retire they consider trading him and fleecing some other quasi-contending team (maybe the Niners at that point, two years down the road) of a 1st round pick or two.

I understand that people want to believe Brady will completely dictate how his own career ends and whether that's with or without serving as QB of the NEP. But there's simply no track record of the team considering monopolizing itself to satisfy the wishes of any one player. Also, regardless of what Kraft says, if there's an even remote chance of the team tanking for a decade because they lose their future QB in JG, he'll consider his bottom line far, far before Brady's emotions, and painfully approve of doing what's in the best longterm interest of the team.

...because if comes down to it, the team will 100% do what's in its own best interest over what's in Brady's best interest or any one person's best interest. You've already seen the first couple of dominos fall given the inaction on JG during this past year's draft. My hunch is Brady himself wouldn't even want to receive special treatment; that's the kind of man and player he's always been.

I bet Brady almost revels in the idea of "If someone else is the better option (for whatever reason), take me off the field," and falling in line the same way every other player he's ever played with fell in line. I genuinely don't think he wants special consideration...ever. He doesn't want to be treated any differently than Bruschi, Vrabel, Branch, Brown, Wilfork, Nink, Milloy, etc. He respects those guys too much. He's either the best option for the NEP, or he isn't. He understands how this works and I think he fully embraces it, because that's who Tom Brady is as a person.
 

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This is another great point that I failed to bring up in my post.

There are only two seemingly plausible scenarios as to why they wouldn't give up Jimmy, before a contract year, for the kind of hauls they likely could have gotten for him at the draft:

1) Brady's told them he's done after this year or next year (and after this year they just franchise Jimmy then extend him when he takes over).

2) They plan to give Brady 1-2 more years before moving onto Jimmy no matter what Brady thinks, and if Brady doesn't retire they consider trading him and fleecing some other quasi-contending team (maybe the Niners at that point, two years down the road) of a 1st round pick or two.

I understand that people want to believe Brady will completely dictate how his own career ends and whether that's with or without serving as QB of the NEP. But there's simply no track record of the team considering monopolizing itself to satisfy the wishes of any one player. Also, regardless of what Kraft says, if there's an even remote chance of the team tanking for a decade because they lose their future QB in JG, he'll consider his bottom line far, far before Brady's emotions, and painfully approve of doing what's in the best longterm interest of the team.

...because if comes down to it, the team will 100% do what's in its own best interest over what's in Brady's best interest or any one person's best interest. You've already seen the first couple of dominos fall given the inaction on JG during this past year's draft. My hunch is Brady himself wouldn't even want to receive special treatment; that's the kind of man and player he's always been.

I bet Brady almost revels in the idea of "If someone else is the better option (for whatever reason), take me off the field," and falling in line the same way every other player he's ever played with fell in line. I genuinely don't think he wants special consideration...ever. He doesn't want to be treated any differently than Bruschi, Vrabel, Branch, Brown, Wilfork, Nink, Milloy, etc. He respects those guys too much. He's either the best option for the NEP, or he isn't. He understands how this works and I think he fully embraces it, because that's who Tom Brady is as a person.
This is a great post and encompasses entirely what I am thinking. It is not unreasonable to see how the Pats and Brady could part ways after this season.

Obviously comparing Bledsoe in 2001 and Brady in 2017 is a stretch, but Kraft used to gush over their relationship and, when Bledsoe signed his extension in 2001 Kraft said,

Bledsoe has a chance to be remembered in Boston like Ted Williams, Bill Russell and Larry Bird, each having played his entire career in the city.

``I remember feeling sad when Bobby Orr left,'' Kraft said of the NHL Hall of Famer who left Boston for Chicago near the end of his career. ``I saw this as an opportunity to sign one of the great Patriots for the rest of his career.''
I found several quotes of writers saying Kraft considered Bledsoe "like a son" but no quote of Kraft actually saying it.

If BB has shown anything in NE, it's that no one player is above the team, and if he thinks the long term future is better by installing Jimmy as starter in 2018 rather than A) trading him, or B) franchising him he'll move in that direction. And Kraft will agree.
 

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There is a third, and probably most likely, plausible scenario. Brady plays pretty well this year and and Jimmy G signs a contract somewhere that gives him a clear path to the starting job in 2018 (or is franchised and traded).

Again, all this "no special consideration" and "if someone is better" talk sort of glosses over the fact that Brady was one of the two most valuable players in football last year. Brady is 40 years old and this is a championship roster outside of the quarterback position, so having insurance against Brady getting hurt or falling off a cliff this year is valuable so Im fine with not trading Jimmy G.

But I personally hope Jimmy G isnt on the roster in 2018 in the sense that if he is I don't think we're celebrating a sixth Lombardi.

I also wont be complaining if Jimmy G walks away after the year for a comp pick. Having insurance isnt a bad idea just because the house didnt burn down.
 

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Exactly.

It's so satisfying to see posts grounded in reality.
 

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There is a third, and probably most likely, plausible scenario. Brady plays pretty well this year and and Jimmy G signs a contract somewhere that gives him a clear path to the starting job in 2018 (or is franchised and traded).

Again, all this "no special consideration" and "if someone is better" talk sort of glosses over the fact that Brady was one of the two most valuable players in football last year. Brady is 40 years old and this is a championship roster outside of the quarterback position, so having insurance against Brady getting hurt or falling off a cliff this year is valuable so Im fine with not trading Jimmy G.

But I personally hope Jimmy G isnt on the roster in 2018 in the sense that if he is I don't think we're celebrating a sixth Lombardi.

I also wont be complaining if Jimmy G walks away after the year for a comp pick. Having insurance isnt a bad idea just because the house didnt burn down.
I was talking about 2018, not 17.

Yes, that is plausible. It assumes they bring in a credible back up/insurance policy for the 41 yr old starter in 2018. They'll hopefully still have the championship caliber roster in 2018 and will need a decent QB to make the most of it.
 

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Yes, my point was if Jimmy G is on the roster in 2018 it probably means Brady didnt have the season we want him to in 2017 and the team didnt repeat.

Credible back up for 2018 could be Brissett.
 

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Yes, my point was if Jimmy G is on the roster in 2018 it probably means Brady didnt have the season we want him to in 2017 and the team didnt repeat.

Credible back up for 2018 could be Brissett.
...or, the Pats and Brady could have exactly the year we hope for, and the Pats make the same call (this time, at a much more painful dollar level) with respect to 2018 - Brady as starter, Jimmy G as insurance, Brissett as a one-year-more-advanced development project. It's really hard to tell right now. But having a stacked franchise that has the GOAT backed by a QB who appears to be a legit heir is a pretty sweet spot to be in.
 

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...or, the Pats and Brady could have exactly the year we hope for, and the Pats make the same call (this time, at a much more painful dollar level) with respect to 2018 - Brady as starter, Jimmy G as insurance, Brissett as a one-year-more-advanced development project. It's really hard to tell right now. But having a stacked franchise that has the GOAT backed by a QB who appears to be a legit heir is a pretty sweet spot to be in.
The Patriots are highly unlikely to dedicate ~40M of the cap to the QB position.
 

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You all know this movie cant end any other way.

Brady Steps away and retires Next year (or the year after), allowing the Young Gun Jimmy G to take over. Jimmy lights it up for 6 games but we find ourselves in a tough fight for the division. Jimmy is Hurt during a 4th qtr comeback against the Jets with a season ender.
BB calls Tom.
Tom soul searches and has a dramatic discussion with Giselle who is angry he would even consider going back. Tom leaves the house and drives around a deserted city while a montage of all his epic moments play in his head.
He arrives home the next morning and tells Giselle he HAS to do this. He has to prove it to himself and to help the team, fans, region, BB and Kraft. Giselle says Ok they embrace emotionally.
Tom comes back to much fan fare and leads the team to a SB where they are the underdogs against a juggernaut (Cowboys??). Queue montage of ESPN and other media outlets giving them no shot.
BB has a emotional (Yes really) pregame speech saying that they need the heart of a warrior to win this game....and they have it in Tom Brady.
Game is back and fourth and with 2 mins to go Pats are down by 5. Before going on the field Jimmy G says "Tom the FS is cheating in on the 46 whirl Bronco". Sure enough during the drive they call that play and In slow motion you see Brady recognize that Jimmy was right and he throws just as the MLB flattens him. It gets them down to the 10 with :24 to play. But Tom is down and slow to get up. Lineman huddle over him concerned. with the clock winding (no TOs left) they help him stagger down to the huddle. When he does its obvious his ankle is injured. BB sends in Jacoby but he is waived off by Brady. Mcdaniels Looks at BB who nods and says "OK Tom....takes us home" into his mike. With 7 seconds on the clock he takes the snap ducks under 1 rusher side steps another and sees Gronk making an out cut. He throws....Cut to 6 mos later. Tom is on crutches and there is an air of sadness in the room as he looks over the memorabilia in his office. The phone rings and its BB. "Tom how you feeling? Are you going to be able to make the Ring Ceremony at Bobs?" Brady Smiles and says "Wouldnt miss it Coach". Queue some Survivor or other cool music. Roll Credits. Sosh explodes.
 

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You all know this movie cant end any other way.

Brady Steps away and retires Next year (or the year after), allowing the Young Gun Jimmy G to take over. Jimmy lights it up for 6 games but we find ourselves in a tough fight for the division. Jimmy is Hurt during a 4th qtr comeback against the Jets with a season ender.
BB calls Tom.
Tom soul searches and has a dramatic discussion with Giselle who is angry he would even consider going back. Tom leaves the house and drives around a deserted city while a montage of all his epic moments play in his head.
He arrives home the next morning and tells Giselle he HAS to do this. He has to prove it to himself and to help the team, fans, region, BB and Kraft. Giselle says Ok they embrace emotionally.
Tom comes back to much fan fare and leads the team to a SB where they are the underdogs against a juggernaut (Cowboys??). Queue montage of ESPN and other media outlets giving them no shot.
BB has a emotional (Yes really) pregame speech saying that they need the heart of a warrior to win this game....and they have it in Tom Brady.
Game is back and fourth and with 2 mins to go Pats are down by 5. Before going on the field Jimmy G says "Tom the FS is cheating in on the 46 whirl Bronco". Sure enough during the drive they call that play and In slow motion you see Brady recognize that Jimmy was right and he throws just as the MLB flattens him. It gets them down to the 10 with :24 to play. But Tom is down and slow to get up. Lineman huddle over him concerned. with the clock winding (no TOs left) they help him stagger down to the huddle. When he does its obvious his ankle is injured. BB sends in Jacoby but he is waived off by Brady. Mcdaniels Looks at BB who nods and says "OK Tom....takes us home" into his mike. With 7 seconds on the clock he takes the snap ducks under 1 rusher side steps another and sees Gronk making an out cut. He throws....Cut to 6 mos later. Tom is on crutches and there is an air of sadness in the room as he looks over the memorabilia in his office. The phone rings and its BB. "Tom how you feeling? Are you going to be able to make the Ring Ceremony at Bobs?" Brady Smiles and says "Wouldnt miss it Coach". Queue some Survivor or other cool music. Roll Credits. Sosh explodes.
You've got to stop watching The Lifetime Channel.....
 

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You all know this movie cant end any other way.

Brady Steps away and retires Next year (or the year after), allowing the Young Gun Jimmy G to take over. Jimmy lights it up for 6 games but we find ourselves in a tough fight for the division. Jimmy is Hurt during a 4th qtr comeback against the Jets with a season ender.
BB calls Tom.
Tom soul searches and has a dramatic discussion with Giselle who is angry he would even consider going back. Tom leaves the house and drives around a deserted city while a montage of all his epic moments play in his head.
He arrives home the next morning and tells Giselle he HAS to do this. He has to prove it to himself and to help the team, fans, region, BB and Kraft. Giselle says Ok they embrace emotionally.
Tom comes back to much fan fare and leads the team to a SB where they are the underdogs against a juggernaut (Cowboys??). Queue montage of ESPN and other media outlets giving them no shot.
BB has a emotional (Yes really) pregame speech saying that they need the heart of a warrior to win this game....and they have it in Tom Brady.
Game is back and fourth and with 2 mins to go Pats are down by 5. Before going on the field Jimmy G says "Tom the FS is cheating in on the 46 whirl Bronco". Sure enough during the drive they call that play and In slow motion you see Brady recognize that Jimmy was right and he throws just as the MLB flattens him. It gets them down to the 10 with :24 to play. But Tom is down and slow to get up. Lineman huddle over him concerned. with the clock winding (no TOs left) they help him stagger down to the huddle. When he does its obvious his ankle is injured. BB sends in Jacoby but he is waived off by Brady. Mcdaniels Looks at BB who nods and says "OK Tom....takes us home" into his mike. With 7 seconds on the clock he takes the snap ducks under 1 rusher side steps another and sees Gronk making an out cut. He throws....Cut to 6 mos later. Tom is on crutches and there is an air of sadness in the room as he looks over the memorabilia in his office. The phone rings and its BB. "Tom how you feeling? Are you going to be able to make the Ring Ceremony at Bobs?" Brady Smiles and says "Wouldnt miss it Coach". Queue some Survivor or other cool music. Roll Credits. Sosh explodes.
You've got to stop watching The Lifetime Channel.....
The Lifetime version is:
Tom comes home and finds Giselle in bed with the recently-retired Edelman. "I told you not to play football any more," she says.
 

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You all know this movie cant end any other way.

Brady Steps away and retires Next year (or the year after), allowing the Young Gun Jimmy G to take over. Jimmy lights it up for 6 games but we find ourselves in a tough fight for the division. Jimmy is Hurt during a 4th qtr comeback against the Jets with a season ender.
BB calls Tom.
Tom soul searches and has a dramatic discussion with Giselle who is angry he would even consider going back. Tom leaves the house and drives around a deserted city while a montage of all his epic moments play in his head.
He arrives home the next morning and tells Giselle he HAS to do this. He has to prove it to himself and to help the team, fans, region, BB and Kraft. Giselle says Ok they embrace emotionally.
Tom comes back to much fan fare and leads the team to a SB where they are the underdogs against a juggernaut (Cowboys??). Queue montage of ESPN and other media outlets giving them no shot.
BB has a emotional (Yes really) pregame speech saying that they need the heart of a warrior to win this game....and they have it in Tom Brady.
Game is back and fourth and with 2 mins to go Pats are down by 5. Before going on the field Jimmy G says "Tom the FS is cheating in on the 46 whirl Bronco". Sure enough during the drive they call that play and In slow motion you see Brady recognize that Jimmy was right and he throws just as the MLB flattens him. It gets them down to the 10 with :24 to play. But Tom is down and slow to get up. Lineman huddle over him concerned. with the clock winding (no TOs left) they help him stagger down to the huddle. When he does its obvious his ankle is injured. BB sends in Jacoby but he is waived off by Brady. Mcdaniels Looks at BB who nods and says "OK Tom....takes us home" into his mike. With 7 seconds on the clock he takes the snap ducks under 1 rusher side steps another and sees Gronk making an out cut. He throws....Cut to 6 mos later. Tom is on crutches and there is an air of sadness in the room as he looks over the memorabilia in his office. The phone rings and its BB. "Tom how you feeling? Are you going to be able to make the Ring Ceremony at Bobs?" Brady Smiles and says "Wouldnt miss it Coach". Queue some Survivor or other cool music. Roll Credits. Sosh explodes.
This is perfect, with the exception of the emotional BB press conference. That is highly unlikely.
 

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The Patriots are highly unlikely to dedicate ~40M of the cap to the QB position.
There are only 3 ways our QB situation might go next year, barring something truly bizarre:

1) We trade Brady, sign Garoppolo long-term, and hope to hell we never have to face him in the playoffs while he's still a valuable player
2) We keep Brady, let Garoppolo walk for a comp pick, and hope to hell Brady holds up for a few years and/or Garoppolo doesn't make us regret that choice
3) We franchise Garoppolo, keep Brady, and thereby devote ~$40M of the cap to the QB position in 2018, and hope to hell Belichick can still find enough diamonds in the rough to make us competitive

While #2 is certainly the likeliest of the bunch, given both tangible and intangible aspects of Brady's value, its likelihood has taken a considerable hit by the sheer weight of one incontrovertible fact: Belichick refused all trade offers for his backup QB who was going into a contract year, some of them apparently very rich, which is the first such time he's refused such an offer (Cassell, Mallett). The only plausible explanations for that include having to recalibrate our assumptions about the likelihood of #1 and #3.

Whichever option ends up coming true will surprise a lot of people.
 

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There are only 3 ways our QB situation might go next year, barring something truly bizarre:

1) We trade Brady, sign Garoppolo long-term, and hope to hell we never have to face him in the playoffs while he's still a valuable player
2) We keep Brady, let Garoppolo walk for a comp pick, and hope to hell Brady holds up for a few years and/or Garoppolo doesn't make us regret that choice
3) We franchise Garoppolo, keep Brady, and thereby devote ~$40M of the cap to the QB position in 2018, and hope to hell Belichick can still find enough diamonds in the rough to make us competitive

While #2 is certainly the likeliest of the bunch, given both tangible and intangible aspects of Brady's value, its likelihood has taken a considerable hit by the sheer weight of one incontrovertible fact: Belichick refused all trade offers for his backup QB who was going into a contract year, some of them apparently very rich, which is the first such time he's refused such an offer (Cassell, Mallett). The only plausible explanations for that include having to recalibrate our assumptions about the likelihood of #1 and #3.

Whichever option ends up coming true will surprise a lot of people.
I'd say there are at least two more options:
4) Franchise Garoppolo to trade him - this is what they did with Cassel. They can potentially get more than a comp pick in this scenario.
5) Sign Garoppolo to a long-term deal. There are reasons that both Garoppolo (who may not want to sign to be a backup) and the team (they may not want to create a scenario where the team is investing more in the backup QB than Brady) might not want to do this. There are reasons that both sides might, however. The Pats have some leverage with the franchise tag. They can make Jimmy G the game's highest-paid backup and ink him to a borderline-starter-money deal. It would give security to both the Patriots (in terms of long-term QB play) and Garoppolo (in terms of cash money). They can backload the deal to make the 2018 and 2019 hits better than in scenario 3. I wouldn't describe this as likely, but I think it's something to consider.

There are also a bunch of "Brady gets hurt / bad" scenarios to consider, including ones where Garoppolo also gets hurt / bad and Brissett either establishes himself as the heir or definitively not the heir.
 

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There are only 3 ways our QB situation might go next year, barring something truly bizarre:

1) We trade Brady, sign Garoppolo long-term, and hope to hell we never have to face him in the playoffs while he's still a valuable player
2) We keep Brady, let Garoppolo walk for a comp pick, and hope to hell Brady holds up for a few years and/or Garoppolo doesn't make us regret that choice
3) We franchise Garoppolo, keep Brady, and thereby devote ~$40M of the cap to the QB position in 2018, and hope to hell Belichick can still find enough diamonds in the rough to make us competitive

While #2 is certainly the likeliest of the bunch, given both tangible and intangible aspects of Brady's value, its likelihood has taken a considerable hit by the sheer weight of one incontrovertible fact: Belichick refused all trade offers for his backup QB who was going into a contract year, some of them apparently very rich, which is the first such time he's refused such an offer (Cassell, Mallett). The only plausible explanations for that include having to recalibrate our assumptions about the likelihood of #1 and #3.

Whichever option ends up coming true will surprise a lot of people.

Is it realistic to add a 4th: JG signs a 2 or 3 year deal that keeps that Pats from the 40M QB hole, gets some guaranteed $$, AND makes himself *more* tradeable as a non-rental.
 

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There are only 3 ways our QB situation might go next year, barring something truly bizarre:

1) We trade Brady, sign Garoppolo long-term, and hope to hell we never have to face him in the playoffs while he's still a valuable player
2) We keep Brady, let Garoppolo walk for a comp pick, and hope to hell Brady holds up for a few years and/or Garoppolo doesn't make us regret that choice
3) We franchise Garoppolo, keep Brady, and thereby devote ~$40M of the cap to the QB position in 2018, and hope to hell Belichick can still find enough diamonds in the rough to make us competitive

While #2 is certainly the likeliest of the bunch, given both tangible and intangible aspects of Brady's value, its likelihood has taken a considerable hit by the sheer weight of one incontrovertible fact: Belichick refused all trade offers for his backup QB who was going into a contract year, some of them apparently very rich, which is the first such time he's refused such an offer (Cassell, Mallett). The only plausible explanations for that include having to recalibrate our assumptions about the likelihood of #1 and #3.

Whichever option ends up coming true will surprise a lot of people.
Another important fact is that the Patriots are likely to roll over more cap space into next year (currently around 13M) than they've ever done in the past. I've banged my head on the wall making this point in this forum so I might as well do it again: The rollover rules make it erroneous to think about cap space in a single-year vacuum. Devoting 40M to QBs in a single year sounds like a lot, but if your planning created an additional 13M in cap space for that year through rollover, then its effectively equivalent to spending 27M on QBs in 2018 and an additional 13M in 2017. The Pats stand to devote about 15M to QBs this year, so this is just like spending 28M this year and 27M in 2018. And lots of teams devote 20-30M annually in cap space to their QBs.
 

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Id put a higher chance on the Pats doing this than I would have a few months ago, but the cap space rolling shouldnt change the calculus that much. Yeah, its not as crippling to a roster in a given season as "theyre spending $40MM of cap space on quarterbacks!" sounds, but they are still going to be paying a lot of money to two players who cant be on the field at the same time.

Minor quibble, but counting the whole $13MM the way that you are doing it is I think overstating it too. The Pats usually carry, what, $5MM or so over? So its only an incremental $8 or so vs. normal course business (maybe not so coincidentally, the amount that Brady's cap figure is going up if they dont extend him).

I should also add, part of the reason I think Jimmy G is gone after this year if Brady is a viable '18 option is that if the Pats were convinced they were going to start Jimmy G at QB in 2019 or 2020 and Jimmy G was OK playing as a backup for another season or two then I think we'd see a long extension now (with a guaranteed amount that I think would surprise many). They're leaving themselves open to the Flacco/Cousins purgatory of doom contract choice if they go the franchise/sign to an extension after basically naming Jimmy the heir apparent route.
 

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After some of his awkward and somewhat unconvincing answers during deflategate, and now this, getting the strong impression that TB either gets horrendous media relations advise, or just can't be coached in that area. Wouldn't a simple" nothing further say to about this, we're moving on to this season" been a better play here? Or am I just completely gun shy about anything that could be chum in the water for the league to gin up another bullshit, fake scandal involving the Pats? (Apologies for only the link and no quotes. Mobil device, etc.)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/04/tom-brady-whether-i-had-a-concussion-isnt-anybodys-business/
 

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After some of his awkward and somewhat unconvincing answers during deflategate, and now this, getting the strong impression that TB either gets horrendous media relations advise, or just can't be coached in that area. Wouldn't a simple" nothing further say to about this, we're moving on to this season" been a better play here? Or am I just completely gun shy about anything that could be chum in the water for the league to gin up another bullshit, fake scandal involving the Pats? (Apologies for only the link and no quotes. Mobil device, etc.)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/04/tom-brady-whether-i-had-a-concussion-isnt-anybodys-business/

I dont think *he's* under any obligation to report his own injuries to anyone.
 

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After some of his awkward and somewhat unconvincing answers during deflategate, and now this, getting the strong impression that TB either gets horrendous media relations advise, or just can't be coached in that area. Wouldn't a simple" nothing further say to about this, we're moving on to this season" been a better play here? Or am I just completely gun shy about anything that could be chum in the water for the league to gin up another bullshit, fake scandal involving the Pats? (Apologies for only the link and no quotes. Mobil device, etc.)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/04/tom-brady-whether-i-had-a-concussion-isnt-anybodys-business/
I think we've been programmed to be over sensitive to this topic. Not without good reason, but still, there are 2 very good reasons why this will not result in another few million going Paul Weiss's way:

First, Brady has every right to tell the media to "mind their own business" when it comes to medical issues. He is under zero obligation to be nice there, or to be coached in this area; HIPPA trumps the the desires of the media. I also don't see why Brady's answer was even remotely a problem, so I could be biased there.

Second, Goodell will not touch the concussion issue with a mile-long pole; there are skeletons in a lot of closets around the league on that topic. That's an indisputable fact.
 

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You shouldn't drink so early in the day.
Man, if only 10% of your posts could actually have some kind of human quality to them, you'd be an infinitely more interesting read on SoSH. Don't you get bored playing the same character day in and day out?
Learn to take a joke.
I can take a good joke, I just struggle the old and tired, "I don't agree with your point, so [insert pot shot here]," as opposed to engaging in meaningful dialogue.
Which one of you is Edelman and which one is Gilmore?
 

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I thought the thread was about the training camp for the Patriots, to train to play football together.

Apparently the thread is a training camp for SoSh, to train to SoSH together.
 

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I thought the thread was about the training camp for the Patriots, to train to play football together.

Apparently the thread is a training camp for SoSh, to train to SoSH together.
Which makes it the best of all possible threads. Because it means we're not discussing things currently being talked about in the thread immediately below this one. Camp should be boring, always.
 

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Which makes it the best of all possible threads. Because it means we're not discussing things currently being talked about in the thread immediately below this one. Camp should be boring, always.
As boring as a Tom Brady press conference. With the jersey turned inside out.

I did learn that he feels the same today as he did yesterday and the day before that.
 

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I thought the thread was about the training camp for the Patriots, to train to play football together.

Apparently the thread is a training camp for SoSh, to train to SoSH together.
We expect to see some high end game threading this season.
 

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Anyone seen anything meaningful (provided that anything in camp can be described as such) on Brisset and his development? It will be interesting to see how much progress he made in the vaunted year 1 to 2 jump. If he's shown enough development to be an adequate backup QB and shows further improvement during the season - then the dominoes can fall in a number of ways.
 

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Not seen anything outside of a few one liners about "hospital passes" or interceptions thrown for JB. Patspulpit.com shows the stats for each QB every day after practice concludes, and JB has been rated Ok, though not really seeing much action with anyone other that practice squad players and rookies.

However, CSNNE is peddling the storyline of a little bit of creeping doubt about JG (which surprised me a bit) - some saying he should be panicking based on his current performance, others explaining his bad showings on the assertion that he isn't a good "practice player" or that he is not "working with the 1's consistently", and reps with the less talented backup receivers is not doing him any favors. Note this is almost exclusively at CSNNE thus far, at least as far as I can see on the interweb. I do not live in NE, so don't see the evening news shows or listen to sports radio in Boston to hear the local gossip.

I know you asked for "meaningful" -- others may counter that this is early training camp worthless rumor-mongering...
 

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Anyone seen anything meaningful (provided that anything in camp can be described as such) on Brisset and his development?
Seems like there's not a lot of discussion of actual camp so far. I did read today that JG is struggling and apparently did not play well in the intrasquad game.
 

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Maybe not a lot to discuss until the pre-season games start? JG struggling is apparently something that is not new as he seems to play much better in games. On the same vein though, another sports writer thought Brissett might get cut if he doesn't raise his game. I find that difficult to believe.
 
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My sense from various readings and listenings - PFW, Boston Sports Journal, the Herald, NESN, (edit) CSNNE - is that Brady remains in a different universe from Jimmy G and Brisset, and that both of the backups have been somewhat less than hoped for so far, even with all the caveats. See what happens in the "real" games. This week's practices and game with the Jaguars should tell us a bit more, obviously.
 

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. On the same vein though, another sports writer thought Brissett might get cut if he doesn't raise his game. I find that difficult to believe.
O'Connel was cut in September his 2nd year, and was picked in the same place as Brissett, so it wouldn't be unprecedented. With a 3rd round QB pick, there's a very real possibility that he just isn't an NFL player.

That being said, with the amount of time Brissett has missed due to the hand injury, and the fact that they thought he was worth reactivating last year after the short term IR - it would be really surprising to me.
 

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Apparently Brandin Cooks just made a sick one-handed catch from Brady for a TD. Mark Daniels called it as good as OBJ's catch was against Dallas. He followed up with another TD on a fade route. I can't wait to see this offense going full-throttle. Imagine a 1-back set with White as the back and Edelman/Cooks/Gronk/Hogan.
 

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Apparently Brandin Cooks just made a sick one-handed catch from Brady for a TD. Mark Daniels called it as good as OBJ's catch was against Dallas. He followed up with another TD on a fade route. I can't wait to see this offense going full-throttle. Imagine a 1-back set with White as the back and Edelman/Cooks/Gronk/Hogan.
My favorite part of the bolded is that you can play lineup mad-libs with any combination of offensive players and still arrive at the conclusion of the preceding sentence.