2018 Browns: We now have a dedicated thread. I'll give you a moment to let that sink in.
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I still think this is an 8-8 or better team with a good head coach, possibly even a sneak into the playoffs with how that division is shaking out. But maybe it's the Dilly Dilly.
Absolutely, I'm saying there is a chance...
I hope for the Browns fans sake that Hue is better than he looks, that HBO special seemed very insightful to his inadequacy as a head coach. Would firing him and replacing him Todd Haley for the rest of this season be a horrible idea? I think they need a change in the worst way, the defense looks pretty solid and the Offense with Baker looks much better. Pitts seems much worse than expected, Cincinnati doesn't look at that strong even in their wins, and Baltimore is Baltimore with Flacco and the defense they have there they could be 4-12 or 10-6. Browns may actually have a chance here with competent leadership. Am I Lloyd Christmas crazy here?
I will admit that the Browns might be my second favorite team currently.
Of course its much easier to have the browns as your second favorite when the Pats are your first.
My Browns might also be a good bridge team over the next 5-8 years as the Pats (eventually) stumble and rebuild.
Of course its much easier to have the browns as your second favorite when the Pats are your first.
My Browns might also be a good bridge team over the next 5-8 years as the Pats (eventually) stumble and rebuild.
The Browns speed was impressive live yesterday. I also am convinced that Baker is going to be a very good quarterback in the not so distant future. The Browns are a coaching change away from being a playoff team.
I am worried they are "Browning" another QB. Throwing him into the fire, lauding initial success as a hero, then the quality of the team has the payer attempting things beyond his current abilities messing up his development or getting him hurt.
When is the last time the Browns did this with an actual quality QB. Manziel? As far as I'm concerned, their failure with him was in drafting him.
I could be wrong, but there is plenty of quality around him and supporting him. To me, they look like an 8-10 win team that will win 5-7 games because Hue Jackson is a terrible head coach. Haley and Williams are professional coordinators with impressive resumes despite both being assholes. Their d-line and secondary are impressive, with excellent young players, like Garrett, Ward and Ogbuh who are already producing. Baker has a decent Oline, a good mix of young receivers alongside Landry, good backs and a highly drafted young TE on offense.
Chubb should be playing over Hyde, Hue clearly didn’t stress what was important at the end of regulation on Sunday, but Baker will be fine. Some smart coach is going to get that job and win a bunch of games next year, unless Hue gets fired and Haley leads them to a bunch of wins at the end of this year.
I know right!
I just started Hard knocks this year (never watched in years past). And my main takeaway was what dinks Haley and Williams are. To everyone in the organization, HC,GM,Ball Boy, Star player, journeyman. I get its not all touchy feely but they just come across as total ass holes. No wonder their shelf life has been limited at every stop.
It makes me appreciate the public persona we do see from Pats coaches, where they might be hard but they are professional, not assholes.
Shocking to no one, but this friction appears to becoming worse and more public over time. I'm guessing they cannot both end the season in the same roles.
https://deadspin.com/report-the-browns-coaching-mess-might-require-a-clean-1830057249
Seems like there was certainly a power struggle going on with Hue and Haley. Hue probably shouldn’t have been allowed back on the sideline after two historically bad seasons.
You can like Hue Jackson the person while still acknowledging he’s a bad NFL head coach. I think the Browns finally did that.
You can like Hue Jackson the person while still acknowledging he’s a bad NFL head coach. I think the Browns finally did that.
The way Schefter explained it this morning was that Saunders would be the org guy, while Haley and Williams ran the Off and Def
Hard to believe that during my lifetime Cleveland's sports fans have been saddled with both Ted Stepien of the Cavs and this current clown show ownership.
Sixth straight Browns head coach to be fired after their second game of the season against the Steelers, per Schefter
I know, it's kind of a cheap gimmick in construction but thought it was amusing. I think Schefter pulled it from Profootballcommentator or somewhere.
Browns have some pieces if they can just keep from Dusty Bakering their young QB.
Browns have some pieces if they can just keep from Dusty Bakering their young QB.
Not Gregg Williams.
I think you gotta go with an offensive guy, or at least a very strong OC for Mayfield.
I would imagine they go full court press for Lincoln Riley. He’s Mayfield’s head coach from Oklahoma and is highly thought of as the next up and coming NFL coaching candidate from the college ranks.
If the Browns are all in on Mayfield and everything is about maximizing his talent, that’s the road I would go down.
Absolutely, although if the Cowboys fire Garrett, you’d have to think they’d be in on him as well. In terms of roster, the Browns job is better, but the Cowboys job is in the first rank and they might be hard to turn down to go to Cleveland.
I'd much rather the Browns job. Arguably a better roster now, one of the best collections of draft picks in a long time, $80M in cap space, an elite pass rusher, and they look far more likely to have the QB situation figured out
Which they share with the Cowboys. Haslem is an indecisive panicker, but still better than Jones who is a personnel meddler, the single worst type of owner
I wouldn't want to work for Jerry Jones either, but Haslam is on a whole other level IMO. At least you know where you stand with Jones; he's the boss. Haslam sets up these convoluted reporting structures where the GM and HC are vying for power. Every GM who has taken the job has wound up inheriting the previous regime's HC, only to hire a new coach, get fired, and watch the new GM have to inherit his HC. They are a joke. The proof is in the pudding with the results. Jones has plenty of missteps but at least when something works it gets a chance to blossom instead of totally changing gears every season or two.
You didn't exactly hit a home run with Dan Gilbert either. Every year without LeBron has been a lottery team with most deep deep in the lottery.
McDaniels would be such the perfect fit in Cleveland. He grew up in Ohio where his father was a legendary HS coach, attended college there......he's a guy the fanbase can connect with and someone for Mayfield to grow under. The Browns will have a ton of cap space, decent enough existing talent, and 3 extra picks in the first 5 rounds in the '19 draft.
That's a fair point. Even with multiple high lottery picks the last few years they are still a disaster. Just to clarify, I am not in any way a Cleveland fan, I was just expressing sympathy for them.