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5/85 seems pointlessly tight-fisted for the prime age 24-28 years of your only young starter.
They're going to be in luxury tax hell going forward based on the commitments to Harden, Paul and Capela, so I can see why they'd try squeeze him in these negotiations. Every last dollar carries increased significance when you start factoring in the penalties.

Houston supposedly came in at 4/60 to Capela's 4/100 demands and are now in the 5/85 range. I think they'll settle at 4/80 or 5/90, probably with some sort of opt-out at the end.
 

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Morey has definitely earned the benefit of the doubt based on what he's accomplished over the years, but I just don't see the logic in letting Ariza and Mbah a Moute walk to sign Carmelo Anthony. Their big breakthrough last year came on the defensive end and they are risking losing that to bring on another guy who wants the ball in his hands all the time.
I don't think he let Ariza walk. No way was Morey paying more than the 1/$15M he got from PHO.

Mbah a Moute, however, looks like a luxury tax decision. Right now, if they can sign Capela and keep his cap figure to $15M, they are still in the $2.50/dollar over bracket. Signing LMaM to the MLE would have vaulted them into higher tax brackets and this deadspin article estimates that Rockets could have had to pay upwards if $15M extra in luxury tax simply by keeping LMaM (making him more like a $20M player after tax is included). MCW may be able to give 80% of production for a fraction of the cost.

The biggest trick in the NBA is to figure out how not to overpay guys.
 

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How does melo figure into their cap and tax situation? Will he be signing for peanuts?
 

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Rockets sign James Ennis to a two-year deal. Year 1 = $1.6M; Year 2 = $1.8M player option. (If he did not pick up the option, I believe he would be an UFA agent without Bird rights thus limiting the Rockets to an offer of just $1.9M, assuming they remain above the salary cap).

Ennis I suppose replaces Mbah a Moute - can guard multiple positions, shot 35.9% from 3P over his career, and he took over 63% of his shots without a dribble. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2785574-nba-free-agency-roundup-rockets-facing-100-million-question-with-clint-capela#slide5
 

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Chicago rescinds QO on David Nwaba. The only way this move makes any sense is if it is part of a larger move. Absorbing Deng or Carmelo? Signing Jabari or Smart to an Offer Sheet? I don't know which is happening.....but SOMETHING is happening in Chicago following this move.
 

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Chicago rescinds QO on David Nwaba. The only way this move makes any sense is if it is part of a larger move. Absorbing Deng or Carmelo? Signing Jabari or Smart to an Offer Sheet? I don't know which is happening.....but SOMETHING is happening in Chicago following this move.

KOC says something similar

 

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Vet min and Malone doing him a solid by keeping him in the league to have a shot at reestablishing some value maybe as a 4th guard.
 

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Chicago rescinds QO on David Nwaba. The only way this move makes any sense is if it is part of a larger move. Absorbing Deng or Carmelo? Signing Jabari or Smart to an Offer Sheet? I don't know which is happening.....but SOMETHING is happening in Chicago following this move.
Feel like they have to be eating money rather than an offer sheet.

Nwaba only clears 1.7M, that shouldn't be the difference between an offer sheet being made.

I think Carmelo for Cristiano Felicio now would fit under the cap where it wouldn't with Nwaba.

OKC could waive and stretch Felicio for 7 years instead of Carmelo at 3 years.
 

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IT4 to Denver:

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn
Free agent guard Isaiah Thomas has agreed to a one-year deal with the Denver Nuggets, league sources tell ESPN. Thomas will reunite with Michael Malone, who coached him with the Kings.

Adrian Wojnarowski‏Verified account @wojespn 6m6 minutes ago
Veteran's minimum deal for Thomas, sources tell ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24081526/isaiah-thomas-agrees-1-year-deal-denver-nuggets
My Nuggets will be fun to watch as an offensive juggernaut. And they won't defend worth a damn.
 

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My Nuggets will be fun to watch as an offensive juggernaut. And they won't defend worth a damn.
Denver had to back up the piggy bank to sign him.

Malone was on the set during SL yesterday talking about how his team understands they need to commit a focus to defense to take the next step. So he signs Isaiah. Lol.
 
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Jeremy Lin is a nice get for the Hawks as an expiring deal allowing them to finally rid themselves of Schroeder and his ongoing off-court issues that will likely result in an NBA suspension once he pleads out of his battery charge. It's tough enough to come into a lottery situation as a one-and-done......adding a quality character guy in Lin to replace Schroeder can only help Young. If Lin is healthy and has a big year you'd be able to maybe get a pick for him at the deadline for a contender who needs backcourt bench depth.
 

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Jeremy Lin is a nice get for the Hawks as an expiring deal allowing them to finally rid themselves of Schroeder and his ongoing off-court issues that will likely result in an NBA suspension once he pleads out of his battery charge. It's tough enough to come into a lottery situation as a one-and-done......adding a quality character guy in Lin to replace Schroeder can only help Young. If Lin is healthy and has a big year you'd be able to maybe get a pick for him at the deadline for a contender who needs backcourt bench depth.
Agreed. That Schroeder contract is absolutely toxic. They should just pay him to stay away from the team.
 

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Marks continues to do a good job of using the Nets' cap space to acquire assets for the rebuild. Denver continues to make a corresponding bad move for each good one.
 

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Marks continues to do a good job of using the Nets' cap space to acquire assets for the rebuild. Denver continues to make a corresponding bad move for each good one.
Denver moved $44M in dead money this off-season in an incredibly tight cap market. I can think of a few other teams that should have been moving $.

While I didn't love the quick trigger Barton deal, getting a healthier IT4 a year removed from a top 5 MVP finish for $2M is a no-brainer. Malone has coached IT before so he knows the kid. Maybe occasionally uses a zone to hide ITs defensive deficiencies, like the Mavs would do with Barrea on the floor.
 

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like the Mavs would do with Barrea on the floor.
Only somewhat related. But who the hell thought that JJ Barrea would have a 12+ year NBA career? I saw him play while at Northeastern, and while a very good player, I never once thought to myself that he would even play a minute of NBA ball.
 

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Denver moved $44M in dead money this off-season in an incredibly tight cap market. I can think of a few other teams that should have been moving $.

While I didn't love the quick trigger Barton deal, getting a healthier IT4 a year removed from a top 5 MVP finish for $2M is a no-brainer. Malone has coached IT before so he knows the kid. Maybe occasionally uses a zone to hide ITs defensive deficiencies, like the Mavs would do with Barrea on the floor.
I have no problem with the IT deal (that goes in the good column).

Moving Chandler for a seconded rounder is not ideal from a winning perspective but understandable in the context of their tax situation and the relatively low cost.

The bad column includes, dealing Nurkic for Plumlee, then signing Plumlee to 3 year 41M deal when he was an RFA with no other suitors (Bartelstein is amazing), which along with signing Will Barton to a market/slight above market deal means they have to give up a 1st so their billionaire owner can avoid paying a modest tax bill for one year.

Not sure how we get to 44M in dead money. Chandler can still play. Faried and Arthur are due 21M this year and then expire.

Finally, the cap market is not actually all that tight for dumping purposes. Chicago, Atlanta, NJ have been open for business (the Kings should be as well). The market is really tight for free agents because a majority of the teams with actual space, don't have any interest in signing guys, precisely because they want to keep it open and get an asset for taking on bad money.
 

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Finally, the cap market is not actually all that tight for dumping purposes. Chicago, Atlanta, NJ have been open for business (the Kings should be as well). The market is really tight for free agents because a majority of the teams with actual space, don't have any interest in signing guys, precisely because they want to keep it open and get an asset for taking on bad money.
Yeah, this is what happens when the teams with cap space are largely the dregs of the league. The sorts of guys that will generally sign with you aren't guys you can build around, so there's more profit in acquiring draft picks in exchange for cash than in signing roleplayers.
 

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Denver had to back up the piggy bank to sign him.

Malone was on the set during SL yesterday talking about how his team understands they need to commit a focus to defense to take the next step. So he signs Isaiah. Lol.
Back up the Tonka truck!
 

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Well, based on his contract, he certainly will be a poor man's something (relatively speaking).
Ouch.

I'm struggling to recall how effective the Microwave was on the defensive end but if IT can approach his former health, which I fervently hope, then he can be more productive than Vinnie ever was...which was still a hell of a lot of fun to watch (when I could take off my green tinted spectacles).
 

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Ouch.

I'm struggling to recall how effective the Microwave was on the defensive end but if IT can approach his former health, which I fervently hope, then he can be more productive than Vinnie ever was...which was still a hell of a lot of fun to watch (when I could take off my green tinted spectacles).
I'm hoping that Nuggets fans will be seeing another Michael Adams (off the bench this time).
 

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Ouch.

I'm struggling to recall how effective the Microwave was on the defensive end but if IT can approach his former health, which I fervently hope, then he can be more productive than Vinnie ever was...which was still a hell of a lot of fun to watch (when I could take off my green tinted spectacles).
He didn't really have to be effective as he was either playing against a 2nd unit guard or hidden on the opponents non-scoring startinf guard, which was easy to do back then. You can't hide guys nearly as easily in today's game.
 

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I have no problem with the IT deal (that goes in the good column).

Moving Chandler for a seconded rounder is not ideal from a winning perspective but understandable in the context of their tax situation and the relatively low cost.

The bad column includes, dealing Nurkic for Plumlee, then signing Plumlee to 3 year 41M deal when he was an RFA with no other suitors (Bartelstein is amazing), which along with signing Will Barton to a market/slight above market deal means they have to give up a 1st so their billionaire owner can avoid paying a modest tax bill for one year.

Not sure how we get to 44M in dead money. Chandler can still play. Faried and Arthur are due 21M this year and then expire.

Finally, the cap market is not actually all that tight for dumping purposes. Chicago, Atlanta, NJ have been open for business (the Kings should be as well). The market is really tight for free agents because a majority of the teams with actual space, don't have any interest in signing guys, precisely because they want to keep it open and get an asset for taking on bad money.
My bad, $34M not $44M ($21M Arthur/Faried + $13M from Chandler). The $21M move did save them $43M in payroll+ luxury tax for the owner

Wilson Chandler is an older, poor man's MaMo at twice the price. Unloading him at 31 with a 2nd rounder works really well if they can turn around and buy a quality 2nd rounder next season for $3-4M (like GSW).

Denver likes their young core a lot and feels Barton is a big part of it. They realize they slightly overpaid there. They also think their youngsters Trey Lyles, Malik Beasley, Hernangomez and Tyler Lydon will play more minutes this season. Those guys along with Millsap will replace Chandler's minutes/production.

the Plumlee trade a couple seasons back was horrendous, only to be topped by an even more horrendous contract signing. Then they compounded it more by playing Mason major minutes last year down the stretch.

Denver finished 3 games out of the third playoff spot in the West. The return of Milsapp will help, they are my favorite team to root for out West. IMO they are a top 4 team if they played in the East.
 

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Denver continues to make a corresponding bad move for each good one.
What was Denver's corresponding bad move here? Signing IT or dumping Faried and Arthur's contracts?

Edit: I see you answered this a bit in a follow up post, but it still seems like you're criticizing past moves rather than either of these recent ones.
 
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I'm hoping that Nuggets fans will be seeing another Michael Adams (off the bench this time).
Those Nuggets teams of the 80s were fun to watch. As a kid growing up in Colorado, they formed some of my earliest memories of basketball.

Ironically, this current Nuggets team is somewhat similar, at least collectively.
 

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My bad, $34M not $44M ($21M Arthur/Faried + $13M from Chandler). The $21M move did save them $43M in payroll+ luxury tax for the owner

Wilson Chandler is an older, poor man's MaMo at twice the price. Unloading him at 31 with a 2nd rounder works really well if they can turn around and buy a quality 2nd rounder next season for $3-4M (like GSW).

Denver likes their young core a lot and feels Barton is a big part of it. They realize they slightly overpaid there. They also think their youngsters Trey Lyles, Malik Beasley, Hernangomez and Tyler Lydon will play more minutes this season. Those guys along with Millsap will replace Chandler's minutes/production.

the Plumlee trade a couple seasons back was horrendous, only to be topped by an even more horrendous contract signing. Then they compounded it more by playing Mason major minutes last year down the stretch.

Denver finished 3 games out of the third playoff spot in the West. The return of Milsapp will help, they are my favorite team to root for out West. IMO they are a top 4 team if they played in the East.
They might be a top 4 team even in the west. As you correctly point out, they were close last year.

They need the young core to take another step forward and get a healthy IT and/or Porter Jr.
 

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Per Woj Chicago is preparing an offer sheet to Jabari Parker. They could open about $20.6MM if they renounce Vonleh and release Zipser and Stone. That would be a very tough match for Bucks given that they are hard-capped.
 

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Ignorant question on the intricacies of cap rules: hard capped means you can’t match an offer to your own rfa? I thought if you had bird rights you can spend as much as you want?
 

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Ignorant question on the intricacies of cap rules: hard capped means you can’t match an offer to your own rfa? I thought if you had bird rights you can spend as much as you want?
It was covered earlier in this thread, but basically it has to do with timing. If you use the larger full MLE instead of the lower taxpayer MLE your team is hard-capped. That exception is only available to non-tax teams. If you have a player or players that remain unsigned when you use the full MLE you essentially lose the right to pay whatever you want, even if you posses Bird rights. This to prevent teams from circumventing the cap by using all their exceptions then signing their own players with Bird rights.

Most teams would just employ the lower taxpayer MLE in anticipation of this to avoid the hard cap. However in rare situations, like Detroit last year or Milwaukee this year, they wittingly (or perhaps unwittingly) put a lid on what they could spend.
 
Jeremy Lin is a nice get for the Hawks as an expiring deal allowing them to finally rid themselves of Schroeder and his ongoing off-court issues that will likely result in an NBA suspension once he pleads out of his battery charge. It's tough enough to come into a lottery situation as a one-and-done......adding a quality character guy in Lin to replace Schroeder can only help Young. If Lin is healthy and has a big year you'd be able to maybe get a pick for him at the deadline for a contender who needs backcourt bench depth.
The Hawks fan reactions I've seen are pretty negative about the Lin signing, FWIW - that's a lot of money and a lot of cap spaced used up for 2018/19 on a player whose best asset might be his ability to mentor to Trae Young. But I have no idea at this point.
 

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Those Nuggets teams of the 80s were fun to watch. As a kid growing up in Colorado, they formed some of my earliest memories of basketball.

Ironically, this current Nuggets team is somewhat similar, at least collectively.
Yeah I remember when I was a kid I looked at the statistical leaderboard to see Bird's place and said "who the heck is Alex English?"
 

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The Hawks fan reactions I've seen are pretty negative about the Lin signing, FWIW - that's a lot of money and a lot of cap spaced used up for 2018/19 on a player whose best asset might be his ability to mentor to Trae Young. But I have no idea at this point.
Well, it was a trade and the Hawks are awful;, this still has them below the cap floor and they got something, even if it wasn’t great, for it. NBA if you don’t spend to floor, you just pay he remaining guys extra. I’m not seeing the downside.
 

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given today's NBA, i wonder if DEN would rather have Nurkic on his contract or Jokic on his?
This answer should be obvious. Jokic is way more skilled and fits today's game. There's a reason he was maxed and Nurkic got what he got.

The Nuggets were right to draft both, and were right to choose Jokic and trade Nurkic. The bad move was where they traded him, what the got in return, and above all, extending Plumlee for what they did.
 

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This answer should be obvious. Jokic is way more skilled and fits today's game. There's a reason he was maxed and Nurkic got what he got.

The Nuggets were right to draft both, and were right to choose Jokic and trade Nurkic. The bad move was where they traded him, what the got in return, and above all, extending Plumlee for what they did.
I'm still not convinced Jokic could stay on the floor in a playoff series against GSW or Boston.
 

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I'm still not convinced Jokic could stay on the floor in a playoff series against GSW or Boston.
Jokic could play Al and Dray. He's 6'10' and not a complete oaf. He hit 40% of his 3s and 85% of FTs last year, he can shoot from the perimeter and distribute.

Nuggets have a bunch of underrated players. Gary Harris is a terrific defensive player that can shoot. Murray and Barton can score. Trey Lyles is going to break out this season. Beasley can defend and will have to playing next to IT.

Plumlee is the anchor on this team, just awful, and for some reason, Malone puts him in at the end of games.

But all in all they are fun to watch, Pepsi Center gets loud.
 

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Plumlee is fine. He defends and rebounds well and is one of the best passing big men in the game. He's a perfectly serviceable starting C. It's just that the Nuggets already have an excellent center and don't have the cap space to pay him to be a backup. It's a misuse of resources.
 

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Plumlee is fine. He defends and rebounds well and is one of the best passing big men in the game. He's a perfectly serviceable starting C. It's just that the Nuggets already have an excellent center and don't have the cap space to pay him to be a backup. It's a misuse of resources.
Exactly. Just cause he's overpaid doesn't mean he's not a useful player. It's also problematic that Malone plays Jokic and Plumlee together way too often, which somewhat negates Jokic.

Plumlee should be Jokic's sub and play sparingly with him.
 

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What? Jokic is the best modern center. His passing, shooting, and rebounding make him a mismatch for any opposing center.

His only weakness is ISO defense.
Jokic is a massively plus offensive talent, but that "only weakness" is the one that gets you played off the floor against an elite team with spacing and top-end iso players. Honestly I hope I'm wrong, since I enjoy watching him (and the Nuggets in general) play, but I'm not super optimistic.

This is something that can only be found out in the playoffs. In the regular season, teams just don't gameplan specifically enough, or have the talent to exploit isolated flaws.