2018 NFL Draft Day Two Game Thread w spoilers

[Jungleland]

The bears will be bad, Rodgers will be back, Cousins is in the division now...very reasonable chance that’s an earlier second than 43, and with it looking increasingly unlikely the future QB position is filled this weekend, I’m pretty content with the bears trade on the basis of loading up the cupboard of picks for next year alone, let alone picking up the fourth.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Next pick is in the 4th.

Don’t they have a comp pick before then?

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

So, here’s the net.

Patriots gave up 43.

Patriots get a second next year, get a late fourth rounder this year, and moved up a bit at the end of round two.

 

[dcmissle]

We’re done for tonight unless they trade up.

 

[Kull]

They must not expect very much from Cyrus Jones

 

[ehaz]

So, the Pats have the Bears pick in the third round?

Nope it's their 4th. Bears dont have a 3rd

 

[mcpickl]

So they dropped down gambling that 1 of 3 corners they liked would be there? And when 2 went right away they gave the addt'l pick back and their only 'profit' is the difference between this years 2nd versus Bears 2nd next year?

And pick #105

 

[mostman]

Don’t they have a comp pick before then?

Nope.

 

[twibnotes]

This is one of the most enjoyable threads, year after year. It’s amazing how the Patriots have been really fucking good for nearly 20 years with as shitty as they apparently draft.

I’m sure this year you guys are all correct.

Are the Pats an elite drafting team? Is anyone?

Complaints are fair bc success rates are modest

 

[dcmissle]

Guice — issues are accountability, showing up on time

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/lsu-football/espns-todd-mcshay-explains-derrius-guice-falling-nfl-draft/amp/

 

[Deathofthebambino]

His best attribute is that he’s not Cyrus Jones.

That's exactly what I was going to post. He's going to take Cyrus' job, and finish the book on the guy once and for all. At least, that's my hope.

 

[ehaz]

They could still use 105 + 143 to sneak back into the third if someone they like is going to get picked.

 

[Reggie's Racquet]

That's exactly what I was going to post. He's going to take Cyrus' job, and finish the book on the guy once and for all. At least, that's my hope.

Does he return punts? I know Cyrus is not very good at that.

 

[shawnrbu]

So, here’s the net.

Patriots gave up 43.

Patriots get a second next year, get a late fourth rounder this year, and moved up a bit at the end of round two.

105 is a late 4th?

 

[ehaz]

Guice — issues are accountability, showing up on time

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/lsu-football/espns-todd-mcshay-explains-derrius-guice-falling-nfl-draft/amp/

Or just blowback for calling the NFL out on their homophobic draft shit? What ever happened to that investigation?

 

[mcpickl]

So, here’s the net.

Patriots gave up 43.

Patriots get a second next year, get a late fourth rounder this year, and moved up a bit at the end of round two.

Is the fifth pick of a round late?

 

[BaseballJones]

So any chance a decent QB is available when they pick next or are they punting that decision to 2019?

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

105 is a late 4th?

Right, sorry. It’s actually high. Taking comp picks into account.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Or just blowback for calling the NFL out on their homophobic draft shit? What ever happened to that investigation?

Ted Wells was unavailable so they didn’t bother

 

[Deathofthebambino]

Does he return punts? I know Cyrus is not very good at that.

Don't think so, but I'm not sure. He's a slot corner. Gilmore/JMac on the outside, and Cyrus was probably the lead guy for that #3 corner role. Hopefully, that's the role that Duke now fills. I don't know enough about Duke to make a judgment on him, so I guess we'll see. Have had mixed results with Gators over the years.

 

[DJnVa]

Are the Pats an elite drafting team? Is anyone?

Complaints are fair bc success rates are modest

Sure, but you wanna compare track records?

 

[DJnVa]

 

[ehaz]

At the very least, it could put an end to the Chung/Rowe in the slot experiment that killed us vs Philly

 

[stp]

Watching a Patriots draft is like being a kid who's told he can open a present on Christmas Eve. You look a big beautiful wrapped present for days only to find on Christmas Eve that the present is gone, and a note has been left in it's place. The note reads: Sorry, you can't have this present, but in it's place you can open two smaller ones tomorrow, and another big one next year.

 

[ZMart100]

So Duke doesn't look good in man coverage, doesn't support the run/tackle well, isn't super athletic, but looks pretty good in zone. Maybe this is a football IQ pick? Second round seems high for that.

 

[Seels]

This draft proved to be even less exciting than last years and we didn't even have a pick til the 4th last year.

Two firsts and two seconds and we get a guard, an injured running back, and a guy who if all breaks right will be a nickleback.

Nothing to address Brady replacement, really anything on defense, and no linebacker help. I'm not one to criticize Belichick drafts but I really, really dont understand this years efforts at all.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Nice. Real solid.

 

[dcmissle]

Or just blowback for calling the NFL out on their homophobic draft shit? What ever happened to that investigation?

Whatever it is did not impact the Redskins. Not one iota. They like him a lot. So much that people freaked out here because there was talk of him going here at 13. Which, considering the state of their defense, would have been batshit insane.

 

[shawnrbu]

We got our Amendola Stopper.

 

[brandonchristensen]

This draft proved to be even less exciting than last years and we didn't even have a pick til the 4th last year.

Two firsts and two seconds and we get a guard, an injured running back, and a guy who if all breaks right will be a nickleback.

Nothing to address Brady replacement, really anything on defense, and no linebacker help. I'm not one to criticize Belichick drafts but I really, really dont understand this years efforts at all.

Two words:

Seven Running backs.

 

[ehaz]

Vikings having a dope draft. Both picks at positions of need, and may have been BAP anyways.

 

[BigSoxFan]

We got our Amendola Stopper.

Now let’s just hope he can cover him for the 15 seconds it’ll take our DL to get to the QB.

 

[Seels]

Two words:

Seven Running backs.

Sure but then why use a first round pick on him?

I mean I'm okay with the pick / picks, really. But you can have 100 running backs if you don''t actually have linebackers on the team. Linebacker felt like the #1 problem coming in to the offseason and hasn't been touched.

 

[bsj]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter
Patriots traded QB Jimmy Garoppolo to the 49ers for what became pick No. 43. They've since turned that pick into: pick 105, pick 117 and the Bears' 2019 second-round pick.

I guess looking at it like this it doesnt appear quite as meh

 

[ZMart100]

It's not unusual. True linebackers tend to be mid round picks.

 

[dcmissle]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter
Patriots traded QB Jimmy Garoppolo to the 49ers for what became pick No. 43. They've since turned that pick into: pick 105, pick 117 and the Bears' 2019 second-round pick.

I guess looking at it like this it doesnt appear quite as meh

The work they’ve done tonight does not make no 43 better or worse.

 

[twibnotes]

It's not unusual. True linebackers tend to be mid round picks.

I hope truly fast linebackers are there bc that’s what we need desperately.

The big, often slow LB approach needs to end.

 

[Kull]

The number 1 problem was that without replacing Solder, Brady was going to be drawn and quartered. That appears to have been resolved,

 

[ehaz]

It's not unusual. True linebackers tend to be mid round picks.

Mayo, Hightower, and Collins aren’t true LBs?

 

[dcmissle]

We got our Amendola Stopper.

Dealing with Gesecki twice a year ought to be a blast. There’s always somethin’

 

[ZMart100]

Mayo, Hightower, and Collins aren’t true LBs?

They are exceptions. There were only two true LBs drafted in the first two rounds this year by my count.

 

[ZMart100]

And I think one can make an argument that Collins was really more of a DE.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

I think the draft chart shows that moving up to 56 and pick 117 was basically fair, so those essentially net out.

I think the simplest way to describe tonight’s action is that the Patriots gave up 2(11) for 105 plus next year’s 2(?).

 

[Super Nomario]

They are exceptions. There were only two true LBs drafted in the first two rounds this year by my count.

what?

And I think one can make an argument that Collins was really more of a DE.

what?

 

[RedOctober3829]

Dawson is versatile having played safety, inside and outside CB. Caserio says he tackles well and is very competitive. If he ends up in the slot, that’s probably an upgrade on Jon Jones.

1st team all SEC.

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

Maybe what you think of the LB situation isn't the same as what Bill thinks. In terms of what the team has. In terms of how the team plans on deploying the LB corps in 2018. He's not perfect, and I'd like to see a linebacker taken too, but BB isn't being intentionally reckless with the roster.

I'm just going to hope this says something positive about what the team believes they have in Harvey Langi and Van Noy, the health of Hightower and Rivers. It likely suggests their evaluation of the players - LB and otherwise - tells them there's a lot of fungible draft prospects, some of whom we'll select tomorrow.

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

Lorenzo Carter to the Giants makes me sad.

 

[ZMart100]

what?


what?

Linebackers whose primary job is to be at the second level, fight through trash and make tackles. Usually dropping into coverage on pass plays, occasionally rushing the passer. I was thinking of Smith and Leonard, I see I missed Evans.

Collins was more of a pass rusher.

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

Would love to see a player from Stanford or other elite schools discussed without the mandatory reference that they’re smart.

My Harvard roommate played several years in the NHL and was described by every announcer, every game, as being smart. He was and is many awesome things, but smart is not among them.

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

@mascho must be beside himself seeing Sam Hubbard still sitting there.