Yeah, this is going to end really well. He’s clueless if the goal is to play for a smart organization.
Are the Giants a smart organization?Yeah, this is going to end really well. He’s clueless if the goal is to play for a smart organization.
Generally yes. They likely will find a band of idiots — all it takes is one — willing to extend him at top dollar, and if they do and they can get value, he’ll be dealt.Are the Giants a smart organization?
Generally yes. They likely will find a band of idiots — all it takes is one — willing to extend him at top dollar, and if they do and they can get value, he’ll be dealt.
In that scenario, however, Beckham lands with a smart organization and plays on a team with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations. I think there are plenty of other teams with potential and salary cap space who could afford to take on Beckham where he, independent of money, may be better off than he is in New York (49ers, Rams, Titans (to a much lesser degree than the other two)). If he could land with one of those teams and make more money, to me, that's a win-win.If I were Mara, I'd make him someone else's problem. If they are rebuilding, why do they want to pay a WR $18-$20 million per year? I do know one coach who would call his bluff and see if he wants to stay off the field during a contract year. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Patriots aren't going to pay Cooks what he wants either so they should entertain a deal. Beckham-for-Cooks and a 3rd round pick. Then, the Pats pick up a 3rd rd comp pick for him in 2019.
In my scenario, he plays 1 year in a winning organization while putting up big numbers. If he doesn't have any antics, he'll be setting himself up for a big payday from one of the teams you were saying.In that scenario, however, Beckham lands with a smart organization and plays on a team with legitimate Super Bowl aspirations. I think there are plenty of other teams with potential and salary cap space who could afford to take on Beckham where he, independent of money, may be better off than he is in New York (49ers, Rams, Titans (to a much lesser degree than the other two)). If he could land with one of those teams and make more money, to me, that's a win-win.
While the Giants have OBJ over a barrel, I see no reason why reports that he will sit out the season are shocking. To me, that's standard stuff for players whose fifth year option has been picked up. Further, there's nothing about playing for the Giants this year and/or signing with them long-term that seems more appealing than signing with virtually any other team in the league. As an outside observer, the only reason for optimism that I can see with that team is their high draft pick but I don't think one or two players fixes that team or makes them competitive within their division.
I think he's probably better off elsewhere.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/odell-beckham-market-heats-prospect-giant-trade-real-article-1.3896518ORLANDO — This is about to explode.
John Mara’s hard line Sunday on Odell Beckham Jr.’s behavior and tenuous future with the Giants, combined with Beckham’s promise Monday morning to hold out if he doesn’t receive a long-term contract extension, has set the table for fireworks to go off here at the Ritz-Carlton Grande Lakes Orlando.
The Giants are officially open to fielding offers for OBJ. This is a fact. And NFL owners, GMs and coaches all are convened here into Wednesday, rubbing elbows and talking shop and feeling out their counterparts and strengthening existing relationships.
In fact, the Daily News has learned that the price in a prospective Beckham trade is starting at a first-round pick plus. The “plus” is the negotiable part, but the meaning is that it likely won’t require two first-round picks to get it done.
The Giants, of course, are in the driver’s seat to drive up the price. They essentially have invited GMs to make their bids and now can sit back, figure out who wants to buy into this high stakes sweepstakes and who doesn’t have the capital. Then they can play teams against each other all the way up to the NFL draft in late April before dealing.
Remember, though, too: any team that trades for Beckham is going to have to spend a lot of money signing him to his long-term contract extension. He refuses to play until he gets paid. So given that pending mammoth financial investment, there is plenty of reason for Beckham suitors to only go so far in a trade price back to the Giants, too.
Easily Suh/Donald in my book. Rams’ ends are going to clean up this year.Better combo: Suh/Donald or McCoy/JPP?
Donald/Suh, by a lot.Better combo: Suh/Donald or McCoy/JPP?
This was a helpful post. One possibility I'd add for the "don't see the need" teams could be packaging one of their existing WRs with lesser draft capital. Amari Cooper or Stefon Diggs or Robert Woods could be packaged up with a first -- you'd figure the Giants would want a starting-level WR to pair with Shepherd for Eli anyway.Just screwing around at work. Looking at teams with the cap space and draft capital to trade for OBJ.
Browns - Lots of cap space, lots of draft capital, Tyrod Taylor/TBD at QB, Landry & Corey Coleman at WR. I doubt they trade for and sign two WRs to big contracts in the same off-season. That being said, they could absorb the cost it would take to get it done. Doubtful.
Colts - Lots of cap space, lots of draft capital, Luck at QB, Hilton and Grant at WR. They could absorb the cost, but they don't really need OBJ. Their GM seems to be doing things the right way, but Isray could always step in and force the issue. Doubtful.
49ers - Lots of cap space, good (not great) draft capital. Jimmy G at QB, Goodwin & ? at WR. I could see them making a trade but only if the price is right. I wouldn't expect them to give up the haul of draft picks that the Seahawks gave for Percy Harvin, and I think that's probably what the Giants want. Maybe.
Rams - Decent cap space, not the best draft capital. Goff at QB, Woods, Austin, Kupp, Reynolds at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
Bears - Decent cap space, middle of the road draft capital. Trubisky at QB, Meredith and ? at WR. Maybe.
Vikings - Decent cap space, middle of the road draft capital. Cousins at QB, Diggs & Thielen at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
Dolphins. Decent cap space, good draft capital. Tannehill/TBD at QB, Parker Stills & Amendola at WR. I don't see a team that just let go of two high priced players trading draft picks to acquire another high priced player. Doubtful.
Raiders. Good cap space, good draft capital. Carr at QB, Cooper & Nelson at WR. I don't see the need. Doubtful.
I suspect that Giants are going to ask for more in return for OBJ than any other team is going to be willing to give up for him. I bet he grumbles all off-season, skips optional work-outs but ultimately plays for the $8 million. Then next year, they franchise tag him and do the same song and dance for the off-season next year. Then after he leaves two years from now, the press releases way more reports of his problem behavior than they've reported on before.
Can he kick with his left foot????Oakland with the surprise cut of Marquette King:
One possibility... to save $2.75MCan he kick with his left foot????
Wow, that's a surprising move. Any idea why?
The Rams are going to be really, really good, barring a regression by Goff.Easily Suh/Donald in my book. Rams’ ends are going to clean up this year.
Their D and running game should protect him a bitThe Rams are going to be really, really good, barring a regression by Goff.
I smell some kind of drunk driving, spousal abuse, etc coming down the line...Can he kick with his left foot????
Wow, that's a surprising move. Any idea why?
They don’t have plenty. Factoring in the coming Mack extension, they are strapped. King drew 2 15 yard penalties and called a couple fake punts on his own. Gruden likely decided he wasn’t worth the headache for a punter and the cash savings helps.Well, of course, but OAK has plenty of cap space and just releases a top five punter because the new coach didn’t like his personality? That’s stupid. If we weren’t tight, I’d love to see them dump Allen and pick him up. I’m going to guess he will see more than $2.75M on the market.
Agree it’s a bonus. He’s a headache of a player. And I think they are still looking to upgrade at WR so the cash may help.Over the cap says they have $16.5M open after the cut, with Mack already on the books for $13.85M. Even considering an extension for him, they could have kept a $2.5M punter if they wanted to. They have a ton opening up next year, albeit with a lot of holes to fill.
Edit: anyone decent is going to cost close to the same, I just doubt this was about cap space.
Sounds great now but what happens when Mack wants to train with Guerrero?Am I crazy to say I'd be thrilled to trade #23 and #31 AND pay Mack big dollars? Isn't he exactly the kind of athletic playmaker this team could use? Never gonna happen, but it's fun to dream...
Are you including Gronk in that deal?Am I crazy to say I'd be thrilled to trade #23 and #31 AND pay Mack big dollars? Isn't he exactly the kind of athletic playmaker this team could use? Never gonna happen, but it's fun to dream...
Just heard he changed his mind about the HoF. He thought it was still segregated.Richie Incognito retiring; says he wants to be in the HoF