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Three10toLeft

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A bit hyperbolic, but I can't help but feel like this much turnover really closes the book on this run.

"That's how the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper." Kinda how this feels.
 
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I'd have that feeling if Josh was staying. That would have indicated that at minimum, to a select group inside that building, the term on how long BB is staying is a small and finite number of years. As long as BB is in place and he's got 45 years in the NFL, the search for competent coaches familiar with his philosophy and expectations isn't going to be a long one. It may not meet our coaching depth chart, but I'd like to think he knows what he's doing. It's going to be different, but it will be fine.
 

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A bit hyperbolic, but I can't help but feel like this much turnover really closes the book on this run.

"That's how the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper." Kinda how this feels.
Yeah, I am not feel terrific about this turnover, either. Something just seems off about all of it.
 

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Honest question: how is this different than 2004, when Weis and Crennel left as OC and DC? There's the obvious. BB and TB are 14 years (!) older. That's not insignificant. Scar is Exhibit A of the impact one coach can have on one unit in BB's staff.

But there's talent on the offensive side of the ball. We've still got the GOAT at QB and (for now) a phenomenal, uniquely skilled TE in Gronk. Ernie Adams is still here. As long as BB and his remaining staff are willing to put in the work as GM, the Patriots will be in the hunt.

It'll end someday. Brady will retire. Gronk might retire first. BB will rest. But until they do, I'll take our squad.
 

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This is total speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be completely surprised to see someone like Nick Caserio get involved in the coaching staff again. He seems to have a very unique role relative to other GMs and has been involved previously.

Given the amount of turnover, I am just expecting something out of left field from Belichick.
 

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So we know for sure that the Pats need to fill Offensive Coordinator and Defensive Coordinator, plus Assistant QB coach.

Speculation is that we may also have to fill ST coach (Source is Minihane).

More speculation that Fears (Source: Giardi) and/or Scar might retire.

Still more speculation about Schiano coming in, perhaps with Rob Smith.

And yet more speculation by many that BB himself is leaving.
 

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This is total speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be completely surprised to see someone like Nick Caserio get involved in the coaching staff again. He seems to have a very unique role relative to other GMs and has been involved previously.

Given the amount of turnover, I am just expecting something out of left field from Belichick.
To your point, Ryan Hannable speculates that Caserio could be the next OC.

http://www.weei.com/blogs/ryan-hannable/josh-mcdaniels-officially-leaving-new-england-indianapolis

FWIW
 

Three10toLeft

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Honest question: how is this different than 2004, when Weis and Crennel left as OC and DC? There's the obvious. BB and TB are 14 years (!) older. That's not insignificant. Scar is Exhibit A of the impact one coach can have on one unit in BB's staff.

But there's talent on the offensive side of the ball. We've still got the GOAT at QB and (for now) a phenomenal, uniquely skilled TE in Gronk. Ernie Adams is still here. As long as BB and his remaining staff are willing to put in the work as GM, the Patriots will be in the hunt.

It'll end someday. Brady will retire. Gronk might retire first. BB will rest. But until they do, I'll take our squad.
The age of the main players is the biggest reason.

Yes, given another 14 years, and a way to completely stop the aging process, I'm sure TB and BB could get another group together of stars on the field and in the coaching ranks for this team.

But in reality it's maybe 3 years max. A lot can happen in three years. But the odds of us cultivating another Josh McDaniels on either side of the ball is slim. Add that to what the offensive line looked like without Scar... That's a lot of turnover to absorb and battle back from while you're also fighting off father time.
 
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Honest question: how is this different than 2004, when Weis and Crennel left as OC and DC? There's the obvious. BB and TB are 14 years (!) older. That's not insignificant. Scar is Exhibit A of the impact one coach can have on one unit in BB's staff.

But there's talent on the offensive side of the ball. We've still got the GOAT at QB and (for now) a phenomenal, uniquely skilled TE in Gronk. Ernie Adams is still here. As long as BB and his remaining staff are willing to put in the work as GM, the Patriots will be in the hunt.

It'll end someday. Brady will retire. Gronk might retire first. BB will rest. But until they do, I'll take our squad.
Few would disagree with you - I know I certainly wouldn't.

But this won't be an easy task.

I think most are in agreement that Belichick can transition the reigns to a defensive leader in a more fluid-fashion.

But replacing Josh is not a layup. This is a dynamic offense with a couple of all-time talents that are a piece of it.
 

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Honest question: how is this different than 2004, when Weis and Crennel left as OC and DC? There's the obvious. BB and TB are 14 years (!) older. That's not insignificant. Scar is Exhibit A of the impact one coach can have on one unit in BB's staff.

But there's talent on the offensive side of the ball. We've still got the GOAT at QB and (for now) a phenomenal, uniquely skilled TE in Gronk. Ernie Adams is still here. As long as BB and his remaining staff are willing to put in the work as GM, the Patriots will be in the hunt.

It'll end someday. Brady will retire. Gronk might retire first. BB will rest. But until they do, I'll take our squad.
The difference is time. We’re 14 years in from then and don’t have a lot left.
 

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In regards to Bill Belichick's future, I feel that if he doesn't leave now, he's in it as long as it will take to replace Brady with the next Jimmy Garoppolo and also to set his sons up for future coaching opportunities of their own. Several writers have stated that it's important to Belichick that he leave the Patriots in good shape when he does finally step down.
 

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I have no doubt that McDaniels is a quality NFL coach (and I am as guilty as anyone of having made idiotic game thread comments to the contrary over the years), but I'll predict that the offense will continue to hum along just fine next year (barring catastrophic injury or massive personnel turnover, of course), just as it did from 2009-2011. Brady can pretty much function as his own OC at this point, and even if $, Lewis and Burkhead all depart, any competent offensive mind should be able to create mismatches given an offense with Cooks, Edelman, Gronk and White.
 

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So we know for sure that the Pats need to fill Offensive Coordinator and Defensive Coordinator, plus Assistant QB coach.

Speculation is that we may also have to fill ST coach (Source is Minihane).

More speculation that Fears (Source: Giardi) and/or Scar might retire.

Still more speculation about Schiano coming in, perhaps with Rob Smith.

And yet more speculation by many that BB himself is leaving.
Seems 100% that Judge is gone as the ST coach.
 

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In regards to Bill Belichick's future, I feel that if he doesn't leave now, he's in it as long as it will take to replace Brady with the next Jimmy Garoppolo and also to set his sons up for future coaching opportunities of their own. Several writers have stated that it's important to Belichick that he leave the Patriots in good shape when he does finally step down.
I think he does want to leave the franchise in great shape, which is why, I think, the JG trade took the wind out of his sails. It’s going to be harder now, and longer too.

I think BB is here as long as it takes, as long as he is able and — critically — as long as the Krafts honor what has been the deal for 18 years, with one notable exception in Brady — he is the dictator. If they try to claw back any personnel power, I think BB will be gone so fast their heads will spin. He is not putting up with that at this stage.

In that connection, I did not like the vibe of certain Kraft remarks during SB week: Bob’s remark about keeping egos in check, Jonathan’s spiking the football over TB getting to decide when he retires. I think and certainly hope I am reading too much into it. In any case, from a leverage standpoint, in case it is needed, Bill has the Krafts by the balls.
 

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I think he does want to leave the franchise in great shape, which is why, I think, the JG trade took the wind out of his sails. It’s going to be harder now, and longer too.

I think BB is here as long as it takes, as long as he is able and — critically — as long as the Krafts honor what has been the deal for 18 years, with one notable exception in Brady — he is the dictator. If they try to claw back any personnel power, I think BB will be gone so fast their heads will spin. He is not putting up with that at this stage.

In that connection, I did not like the vibe of certain Kraft remarks during SB week: Bob’s remark about keeping egos in check, Jonathan’s spiking the football over TB getting to decide when he retires. I think and certainly hope I am reading too much into it. In any case, from a leverage standpoint, in case it is needed, Bill has the Krafts by the balls.
I think this is spot-on. Honestly, I don't think we'll read a better post all day. Great job.
 

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I'm not that shaken up by the coaches leaving. It will set them back a bit, but I trust BB to get good guys in place fast. As someone else pointed out above, the O is in very good hands with TB as mini-OC and all the talent they've got. The defense sucked with MP, so change here has the potential to be a good thing (though I think it's about talent more than MP's scheme).

The dynasty rests firmly on the shoulders of BB and TB. Once one of them leaves, the picture changes drastically. Once they're both gone, the salad days are over. Enjoy it now. That window is closing.
 

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I wonder who they look to add in the defensive staff. Assuming Flores gets the DC job.
Do they look to bring Pepper back? Saw some reports that think that is unlikely.

Sciano says he's not coming. Do they hire someone similar? Who else might fill the role of veteran coach with outside experience and perception?

Or do they promote from within and hire a young assistant coach type.
 

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I wonder who they look to add in the defensive staff. Assuming Flores gets the DC job.
Do they look to bring Pepper back? Saw some reports that think that is unlikely.

Sciano says he's not coming. Do they hire someone similar? Who else might fill the role of veteran coach with outside experience and perception?

Or do they promote from within and hire a young assistant coach type.
They probably promote one of the coaching assistants aka Brian Belichick
 

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Watched some of the Patricia PC. Lots of umms in there. Didn't seem all that comfortable. Not all that surprising. I'd be fairly surprised if he has a lot of success. Not because his D sucked Sunday or whatever. Strikes me as more of a career coordinator type. Hope for his sake and the Lions he proves me wrong.
 

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Watched some of the Patricia PC. Lots of umms in there. Didn't seem all that comfortable. Not all that surprising. I'd be fairly surprised if he has a lot of success. Not because his D sucked Sunday or whatever. Strikes me as more of a career coordinator type. Hope for his sake and the Lions he proves me wrong.
Link to Patricia presser here:
I'm watching now to see if he's asked about poor performance in Super Bowl. Would agree with T4W that he seems a little nervous, but I find it kind of charming.

Some notes:
Trimmed his beard and at one point expressed pride in not screwing it up. Trims it once/year.

"You know what's good about being head coach? Anytime you want to call, you get to call it." (Smiles)

Was asked about what he would and would not take with him from his time with BB -- Patricia didn't take the bait.

On history of Belichick assistants not being successful: whatever anybody's done in the past doesn't have anything to do with me. [He was clearly prepared for this one.]

To the questioner who asked for a one-word answer to whether or not Jim Bob Cooter would be back as OC: "I'm Italian, so I have a little problem with one-word answers"
 
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You guys are a tough crowd. Noone really cares about a couple of "umm's" during a press conference. The beard is apparently a bigger issue among Lion fans.
 

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So, timeline on Pats DC? I'm assuming it's Flores, and I'd guess they'd want to move quickly.
 

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Saw pic on twitter of Kraft and BB sitting together at restaurant last night, probably laughing about th Colts.
 

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Not if it’s a HC interview.
I don't think they can say no for any promotion so for Flores I don't think the Pats could refuse him interviewing for a DC job.

Edit: Though I guess the Colts already have a DC don't they.
 

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I think Flores would see through the 'payback' angle and would decline unless a compelling case were made about why he wasn't a candidate before and suddenly now is...he's no idiot.
 

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Flores has got to be the pro tempore for the eventual HC job if Josh falters or resigns, right?

Or is it Brian?
 

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The Patriots have yet to finalize their 2018 coaching staff, but the fact that offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia keeps showing up at the office -- as he's done regularly since Super Bowl LII -- appears to be a positive sign regarding his plans for the upcoming season. At this point, I'd be surprised if Scarnecchia isn't back with the club.
 

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The Patriots have yet to finalize their 2018 coaching staff, but the fact that offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia keeps showing up at the office -- as he's done regularly since Super Bowl LII -- appears to be a positive sign regarding his plans for the upcoming season. At this point, I'd be surprised if Scarnecchia isn't back with the club.
Or, maybe he’s helping find and transition to a new guy? I like your take better for sure.
 

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Interesting note from Indianapolis: Former Arkansas head coach Bret Bielema is at the NFL Scouting Combine as a representative of the Patriots, per source.
It looks like he coached under Kirk Ferentz at Iowa - Ferentz was Belichick's OL coach in Cleveland. Other Patriots connections: Bielema would have been HC for Flowers and Wise at Arkansas and for James White at Wisconsin.
 

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It looks like he coached under Kirk Ferentz at Iowa - Ferentz was Belichick's OL coach in Cleveland. Other Patriots connections: Bielema would have been HC for Flowers and Wise at Arkansas and for James White at Wisconsin.
He coached some LB in Iowa. Kirk could have replaced him when he arrived in '99 but didn't

Maybe coming here to be LB coach if Flores takes DC?