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How can any golf fan watch this and say they shouldn't bring this back? Two legends, playing Pebble, mic'd up and shooting darts. As a viewer, you get to see it all and see parts of the course you don't get to see on normal tournament broadcasts. What's not to love?
 
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There's nothing at stake, the productions are edited to within an inch of their lives, most of the miked-up pros try too hard and sound excessively jocular, and in this day and age the results of each match will probably be known on Twitter weeks or months before they go to air. When Shell's Wonderful World of Golf first aired back in the 1950s and 60s, prize money was so pitiful and golf on television so rare that there was something at stake and there really was a competitive edge to the matches. Nowadays...do you really want to watch Spieth vs. Thomas or whomever get all bro-tastic for however long it takes them to finish an exhibition? It would be the equivalent of a journalistic puff piece. (To be fair, after the first few Skins Games - when the format was fresh and there seemed to be a genuine edge to the competition - I've been completely out on watching exhibition golf of any kind between October and January.)

I could make two exceptions to the above: I'd definitely watch a match on a really good course that is never on television and that I'd like to get to know more, and I *might* be interested in watching a match between bitter rivals where I thought they really did want to beat the crap out of each other and they played like the pride and honor at stake was more important than any prize money. Otherwise, in general I'd just rather watch sport that matters than sport that doesn't matter.
 
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CP makes some valid points, but the video of Nicklaus and Watson (which I only watched 5 minutes of but will finish later) is fascinating for a number of reasons.

First, the video was shot in 1995, but one of the things that struck me is that Nicklaus was still using a persimmon 3-wood. Also, the distances on their irons compared to today is simply ridiculous. (151 to the hole on 1, and Watson is hitting 7-iron. Today's pros would hit a 9 or a pitching wedge.). So this is essentially a time capsule filmed just before the transition to newer clubs that have changed the game so much, and in that sense it's interesting to me, at least.

I'm not sure that I'd enjoy today's pros this much, but I'd still watch. And in 20-30 years, it would be a Interesting to see how much the game had changed (and how much remained the same) much like this match.
 
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First, the video was shot in 1995, but one of the things that struck me is that Nicklaus was still using a persimmon 3-wood. Also, the distances on their irons compared to today is simply ridiculous. (151 to the hole on 1, and Watson is hitting 7-iron. Today's pros would hit a 9 or a pitching wedge.). So this is essentially a time capsule filmed just before the transition to newer clubs that have changed the game so much, and in that sense it's interesting to me, at least.

I'm not sure that I'd enjoy today's pros this much, but I'd still watch. And in 20-30 years, it would be a Interesting to see how much the game had changed (and how much remained the same) much like this match.
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FWIW, I get the same effect from watching old major championships. (I'm still working my way through the old Masters broadcasts from the 1990s.) And that's competitive golf, not exhibition stuff.
 
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CP makes some valid points, but the video of Nicklaus and Watson (which I only watched 5 minutes of but will finish later) is fascinating for a number of reasons.

First, the video was shot in 1995, but one of the things that struck me is that Nicklaus was still using a persimmon 3-wood. Also, the distances on their irons compared to today is simply ridiculous. (151 to the hole on 1, and Watson is hitting 7-iron. Today's pros would hit a 9 or a pitching wedge.). So this is essentially a time capsule filmed just before the transition to newer clubs that have changed the game so much, and in that sense it's interesting to me, at least.

I'm not sure that I'd enjoy today's pros this much, but I'd still watch. And in 20-30 years, it would be a Interesting to see how much the game had changed (and how much remained the same) much like this match.
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Here you go :)
 
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New schedule is out for next season.

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/24053851

They shortened the playoffs to 3, they will rotate the Northern Trust between TPC Boston and the New York venues. Better than losing it all together, but still a bummer.
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Will that bump attendance at the Travelers in CT in the years there is no tourney in Boston? Will people go to CT to get their PGA tour fix, or just not go at all?
 
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It’s funny. I don’t think it’s struggled at all. Every time I went to the TPC fo an event it was always packed and well done.
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My club borders TPC. We snuck through the woods last year after playing 18 w beers and watched. It was awesome.

Bummed that will only be an every three year situation now.
 
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It’s funny. I don’t think it’s struggled at all. Every time I went to the TPC fo an event it was always packed and well done.
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Agree that the event at TPC has done quite well, but the New England Classic at Pleasant Valley got crap fields for 20 years before it was mercifully cancelled in 1998. New England also lost the LPGA event at Canton after 1997 and the senior event at Nashawtuc after 2008, does not have anything on the Web tour, and has not had a big tour major championship since 1988 (though of course also had Ryder Cup 1999 and US Open is back in 2022). We do alright with getting lesser tier USGA events, at least.
 
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The final round of the Scottish Open tomorrow at Gullane is definitely one to watch - an unfancied Swede, Jens Dantorp, leads by one shot over six players (including Rickie Fowler), and 26 players are within four shots of the lead. The final group tees off at 10:45 ET, so the back nine should be a great watch after the World Cup Final is done.
 
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Barbasol finishing up today...6 players currently tied for the lead, including Hunter Mahan who hasn’t top 10’d in any event since 2015 and has fallen to 704 in the OWGR.

Anyways, Ryder Cup teams starting to really take shape following the Open. One last major where someone could shoot up with a win, but I think the current rankings are pretty close to what the teams will be.

US

Koepka, DJ, Reed, JT, Bubba, Spieth, Rickie, Webb are the current qualifiers.

DeChambeau, Phil, Schauffele, Kuchar, Kisner, Finau are 9-15. Tiger is 20.

Webb, Phil and Bryson are pretty close in points- I think all 3 are in (1 will qualify, the other 2 are captains picks). If he wants it (and I think he does) Tiger gets a pick 3. That leaves 1 spot for Kuchar, Xander, Kisner, Finau. Maybe inside track to Kuchar due to experience.

Europe

Molinari, Fleetwood, Hatton, Rose, Rahm, Noren, Rory, Casey are the 8 qualifiers.

Poulter, Sergio and Stenson (if he is health; guess he was playing with a bum wrist this week) probably get 3 picks. That leaves Fitzpatrick, Knox, RCB and maybe a few others jockeying for the last spot.
 
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I would love to see Xander on this team. He was extremely impressive yesterday, bouncing back from a tough start to hang in there for the entire day. But Kisner, Kooch, and Finau have been around for a long time, it'll probably go to them above a young guy like Xander.
 
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Barbasol finishing up today...6 players currently tied for the lead, including Hunter Mahan who hasn’t top 10’d in any event since 2015 and has fallen to 704 in the OWGR.

Anyways, Ryder Cup teams starting to really take shape following the Open. One last major where someone could shoot up with a win, but I think the current rankings are pretty close to what the teams will be.

US

Koepka, DJ, Reed, JT, Bubba, Spieth, Rickie, Webb are the current qualifiers.

DeChambeau, Phil, Schauffele, Kuchar, Kisner, Finau are 9-15. Tiger is 20.

Webb, Phil and Bryson are pretty close in points- I think all 3 are in (1 will qualify, the other 2 are captains picks). If he wants it (and I think he does) Tiger gets a pick 3. That leaves 1 spot for Kuchar, Xander, Kisner, Finau. Maybe inside track to Kuchar due to experience.

Europe

Molinari, Fleetwood, Hatton, Rose, Rahm, Noren, Rory, Casey are the 8 qualifiers.

Poulter, Sergio and Stenson (if he is health; guess he was playing with a bum wrist this week) probably get 3 picks. That leaves Fitzpatrick, Knox, RCB and maybe a few others jockeying for the last spot.
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I'd guess DeChabmeau would need to be a qualifier to make it. I'd guess Tiger/Phil (and the current top 7) are locks, and Kuchar a near lock, so the rest of the guys (Webb, Bryson, Kisner, Xander, etc) would be best served to qualify on their own.
 
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Interesting article about the anticipated expansion of golf gambling, especially “live” betting following the Supreme Court’s ruling this term:

https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2018/07/25/gambling-golf-las-vegas-pga-tour-betting/

The article only briefly touches upon the potential for shenanigans from the players, including what I guess would be called “shot shaving.” I’ve always thought that golf would be ripe for this kind of activity. For one, most golfers gamble, and I would expect that many tour players are acquainted with professional gamblers. For another, it’s pretty easy for a golfer—especially a marginal tour player who doesn’t make much money relatively—to throw a bet. For example, a lot of the current bets offered are matchups between two players in a round. It’d be pretty easy for a guy like Rob O. (obviously not suggested he would personally do something like this) to make sure he loses by a shot or two on a Sunday when he’s already likely going to collect the minimum payout for making the cut. And if they start offering bets on things like whether Golfer A may make par on a certain hole, it becomes all the easier.
 
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Checking my fantasy team throughout the round today. Wesley Bryan is cruising along, hovering around even, saw him at -1. Then I look again and he's at +7. WTF?

That's what happens when you take a 12 on a par 5. No idea what happened.
 
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Looks like 3 tee shots OOB right, 4th got in play (7th shot), then his approach went OOB again. Got his 10th shot on the green, 2 putts.

He tripled the next hole too after blowing a tee ball OOB right again.
 
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DJ has birdied 5 of the first 6 holes. The way he's playing, and with the way this course is set up (there are 3 par 5's on the back nine), there could be something historic on the horizon.
 
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Eh, he’s up 3 with the 3 par 5’s left. He hasn’t sniffed a bogey yet today, though he may be in a bit of trouble on 12.
 
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Also, the Tiger-Phil $10 million match seems to be a go, being played Thanksgiving weekend at Shadow Creek in Las Vegas.
 
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Last 2 weeks of Ryder Cup qualifying. Here’s to hoping DeChambeau or someone else (Phil/Kisner/Xander/Bryson/Kuchar are closest) can do some damage and sneak into the 8 spot so we aren’t forced to take Webb to France.
 
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Yeah. I don’t like Webb, and he ended up being benched last time he was on the team. The only thing he has going for him is he can tolerate playing with Bubba.

DeChambeau still played well despite the blowup, and the handshake thing was overblown IMO.
 
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no lie - i am listening to DMB radio on sirius right now and as soon as Tiger stepped to the tee, Phil Collin's In The Air Tonight came on....getting pumped
 
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cshea said:
Yeah. I don’t like Webb, and he ended up being benched last time he was on the team. The only thing he has going for him is he can tolerate playing with Bubba.

DeChambeau still played well despite the blowup, and the handshake thing was overblown IMO.
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I want Schauffele on the team, in the same way I wanted JT on the last team.
 
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