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Joel Sherman tweets "nothing imminent tonight so go to sleep already", heh.
 

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There's not even an actual deal rumored yet, Cashman definitely has room to keep sweetening if this is the guy he most wants (I said it before, CLE was never sending Kluber to NY if there is any other reasonable alternative) and make it hard for Brodie and Denbo to say no.

I would say I'm not going to sleep but you guys know this is my prime time anyway.
MLB on Sirius did a quick report on the rumors, only a few seconds. Nothing different than what's been reported but they're more likely to have live info than MLBN at this point.
 

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MLB on Sirius did a quick report on the rumors, only a few seconds. Nothing different than what's been reported but they're more likely to have live info than MLBN at this point.
Actually I think if anything happens MLBN will go live again, they are all set up and that is the reason they are all there, I think they'd be elbowing each other to get on.
 

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Numbers in NY for Eovaldi and Gray shockingly similar, also people forget (me too) that Gray pitched very well in NY's game 4 2017 ALCS comeback win (down 4-0, 2 in the 7th and 4 in the 8th thanks to the magic of Ken Giles) over HOU to tie the series at 2-2. Gray had a one hit shutout in a scoreless game through five, then a walk and a catcher's interference by Sanchez and he was pulled.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA201710170.shtml
 

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I cant imagine the Mets wanting Andujar as a primary piece here. He can't play 3b and their top prospect is a 1b. I think Andujar's value is really limited by his complete inability to play defense, it just really limits his ceiling. Thor is 25 and had 3 years left. If they were actually going to trade Syndegaard, why not reach out to the Dodgers? A deal centered around Verdugo would be more attractive than anything around Andujar no?
 

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I cant imagine the Mets wanting Andujar as a primary piece here. He can't play 3b and their top prospect is a 1b. I think Andujar's value is really limited by his complete inability to play defense, it just really limits his ceiling. Thor is 25 and had 3 years left. If they were actually going to trade Syndegaard, why not reach out to the Dodgers? A deal centered around Verdugo would be more attractive than anything around Andujar no?
Realmuto would be the primary piece for them here, they have been trying to get him without including some combo of Rosario/Nimmo/Conforto and this would allow them to do that.

LA is a better match with CLE than NYY is (even before factoring in CLE’s presumed preference to trade to the NL), but Verdugo is a young LHH corner OF and the Mets already have two of those in Nimmo/Conforto plus Cespedes is supposed to be back at some point, if any of those four could be an adequate defensive CF, then that changes things.
 

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I'm sure Cashman is drooling over the prospect of taking a rookie GM to the woodshed, but I can't imagine this will happen.

Why the hell would the Mets trade their #2 starter who is also probably one of the top 10-20 SP's in major league baseball when healthy? This is a team that is trying to contend quickly and they're gonna trade Syndergaard?

Does not compute. Especially when you're dealing with a GM who always refuses to give up his top youth in trades.
 

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I don't disagree with you that this is unlikely for a few reasons, but...

Especially when you're dealing with a GM who always refuses to give up his top youth in trades.
Cashman just sent 22 year old top 50 prospect Justus Sheffield to SEA, literally their #1 prospect. I think Gleyber is off limits but any other youth, from Andujar to Florial to Clint Frazier to any and all pitching prospects, would be on the table for the right SP.
 

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Valid point forgot about Sheffield duh.
Still can’t imagine they want Noah making a potential cy young push with the Yankees
 

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Brandon McCarthy was on this team? Who knew?

Seriously tho – what that tells me is that Cashman goes for big name guys when it comes to pitching and about two-thirds of them don’t work out.
True, but what player(s) has Ca$hman given up have gone on to success with their new ball club?
 

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True, but what player(s) has Ca$hman given up have gone on to success with their new ball club?
Since that list begins in 1999, the Yankee prospects that have been on the move include Homer Bush, Ed Yarnall, Drew Henson, Jackson Melian, Brian Reith, Jason Arnold, John-Ford Griffin, Yhency Brazoban, Branden Weeden, Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro, Ramon Ramirez, Eduardo Sierra, C.J. Henry, Jesus Montero, Hector Noesi, Vidal Nuno, David Phelps, Dustin Fowler, Jorge Mateo, James Kaprelian, Billy McKinney.

That's not entirely fair, because some of those deals came packaged with established major leaguers (like David Wells in the Clemens trade, or Brandon Drury in the Happ deal, Melky for Javy Vazquez, or Vazquez himself in the Randy Johnson trade). And since this is built on that tweet, it ignores trades they've made for hitters, and some of those names were always intended to be filler. Jury's still out on Fowler, Mateo, Kaprelian and McKinney, but most of these guys haven't so much as sniffed the majors, and among young players only Nick Johnson, Phelps, and Navarro have had useful careers (and I guess Melky if you count him).
 

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Since that list begins in 1999, the Yankee prospects that have been on the move include Homer Bush, Ed Yarnall, Drew Henson, Jackson Melian, Brian Reith, Jason Arnold, John-Ford Griffin, Yhency Brazoban, Branden Weeden, Nick Johnson, Juan Rivera, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro, Ramon Ramirez, Eduardo Sierra, C.J. Henry, Jesus Montero, Hector Noesi, Vidal Nuno, David Phelps, Dustin Fowler, Jorge Mateo, James Kaprelian, Billy McKinney.

That's not entirely fair, because some of those deals came packaged with established major leaguers (like David Wells in the Clemens trade, or Brandon Drury in the Happ deal, Melky for Javy Vazquez, or Vazquez himself in the Randy Johnson trade). And since this is built on that tweet, it ignores trades they've made for hitters, and some of those names were always intended to be filler. Jury's still out on Fowler, Mateo, Kaprelian and McKinney, but most of these guys haven't so much as sniffed the majors, and among young players only Nick Johnson, Phelps, and Navarro have had useful careers (and I guess Melky if you count him).
That's an extraordinary list. Comports with my recollection. I remember folks in the media used to refer to other teams' itching to get one of those "vaunted Yankees prospects" but the reality has been that Cashman et al. have had an incredible success rate in what vaunted prospects they've held onto versus which ones they sold off in exchange for established and sometimes elite MLB talent.
 

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That's an extraordinary list. Comports with my recollection. I remember folks in the media used to refer to other teams' itching to get one of those "vaunted Yankees prospects" but the reality has been that Cashman et al. have had an incredible success rate in what vaunted prospects they've held onto versus which ones they sold off in exchange for established and sometimes elite MLB talent.
It is certainly a skill.
 

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Pump and dump! It's certainly a great, coordinated effort to be able to emphasize and showcase these kids' best skills and downplay the things that will keep them from ultimate MLB success.
 

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And something that I don't think Cashman gets quite the magnitude of credit he deserves. I'm surprised he hasn't gotten the Danny Ainge treatment from other GMs, who are hesitant to do those kinds of deals with him for fear of getting fleeced.
I want to give Cash credit but there’s some built in risk when teams acquire prospects. The fail rate is exceptional. See: Yoan Moncada

Edit: to clarify, Moncada has been a disappointment at this stage in his career. Has shown some signs but overall doesn’t look like the number 1 prospect “can’t miss” superstar that was traded for Sale.
 

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No surprise here. Yanks willing to deal Andujar.

No surprise at all. It was obvious after the WS that we should be willing to move him for the right piece knowing that Machado was available.

There isn't a Yankee fan on the planet who would be upset to get Syndergaard and Machado at the cost of $ & Andujar.
 

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Am I the only person wondering why an NL team would want Andujar so badly? Doesn't his profile scream "DH?"
Yes, but he is only 23 and has a special bat, and can probably (probably) be converted to a left fielder or first baseman if needed. If you think of him as a Gary Sheffield or Alfonso Soriano level bat (and I think this is legit if he stays healthy), you begin to see the appeal.
 

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Nice to see this hasn't been shot down yet, 12 hours later. Syndergaard isn't a sure thing, like Paxton he's had injury concerns, but this really seems like the move to go all in on and overpay with prospects if needed. Go Brian!
 

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I think what Rosenthal means is that Andujar would go to Miami, Realmuto to Mets and Thor to Yankees.
There is another rumor that NY would get Realmuto to keep him and use him/Sanchez as C/DH while making Stanton the primary LF. I think there is zero chance this will happen, NY can't really afford to give up their trade chips for a second catcher.
 

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No surprise at all. It was obvious after the WS that we should be willing to move him for the right piece knowing that Machado was available.

There isn't a Yankee fan on the planet who would be upset to get Syndergaard and Machado at the cost of $ & Andujar.

I love Andujar, but to me, it was obvious after the Boston series that he had to go.
 

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Yeah, that's not happening. If that somehow did happen, NY would move one of those guys in a deal for a top SP, it's just a poor use of resources (although I have been saying since last offseason that they should upgrade backup C).
 

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I want to give Cash credit but there’s some built in risk when teams acquire prospects. The fail rate is exceptional. See: Yoan Moncada

Edit: to clarify, Moncada has been a disappointment at this stage in his career. Has shown some signs but overall doesn’t look like the number 1 prospect “can’t miss” superstar that was traded for Sale.
Interestingly, the Ringer looked at this very phenomenon yesterday and discovered that, yeah, most of the top prospects who get traded turn out to disappoint.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/12/10/18133919/baseball-trades-prospect-rankings-top-50-busts
 

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Interestingly, the Ringer looked at this very phenomenon yesterday and discovered that, yeah, most of the top prospects who get traded turn out to disappoint.

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/12/10/18133919/baseball-trades-prospect-rankings-top-50-busts
Good article. Thanks for posting that. I know Sherman said there was tension between the Marlins and Yankees' front offices, but with Denbo in Miami, the information gap (as discussed in the article for those who haven't clicked) has to be a good bit smaller than with most teams. I wonder how much of a difference that makes in working out a deal.
 

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Jeter becoming and owner of the Marlins and sending the Yankees Stanton and Thor is truly truly unbelievable can't script stuff.
 

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Federico writes about NY year round, he knows more about the minors than the majors (I repost his stuff a lot in the minor league thread), but he is right sometimes and wrong sometimes like anyone else. That being said, there are definitely pieces missing in that proposal.

There are a couple of key elements behind this deal possibly happening: Brodie seemingly being dead-set on getting Realmuto (his old client) and not another catcher, and Denbo/Miami knowing the Yankee system better than they know anyone else's. It still seems unlikely, though.
 

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Otherwise known as the "Blow smoke up my ass" tour. LOL
I think not as much in this case, this one will be at least partly the 'explain your occasional lack of hustle and dirty play before we give you $300M' tour.