ALCS: Yankees vs Astros (Non-Yankees Fan Version)

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My husband just came in and told me about it and I started screaming at him for his insensitivity. He has retreated to his den, closing the door behind him. Why did David have to do that, dammit?
3 World Series rings. Papi could don a Jeter jersey for the next few decades and get a Yankee logo face tattoo and I would still grin ear to ear when I see that legend on TV.
 

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Here's the problem with any imagined scenario in which the Astros win. There is not one single person on or associated with that team who actually believes they can win, except for Kate Upton and Hinch's mom. And Kate actually doesn't really care that much. Most of it is pretend.

There was a moment when the Astros believed they could win. It happened right after Castro's error. It lasted about 8 seconds. They allowed themselves to believe, stared into that abyss, collectively pooped themselves, and it was gone.

Poof. Fucking Abra cadabra. Poof.
Yeah, but it was a happy 8 seconds.
 

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My husband just came in and told me about it and I started screaming at him for his insensitivity. He has retreated to his den, closing the door behind him. Why did David have to do that, dammit?
And on your birthday too..........that's it, no cake for him.

Happy birthday anyway, sorry about the game result.
 

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My husband just came in and told me about it and I started screaming at him for his insensitivity. He has retreated to his den, closing the door behind him. Why did David have to do that, dammit?
I know, right? My deepest pearl clutches tell me it's a reverse hex for one (or some mix) of the following: A) Yankees need one win of two remaining games this series, so they won't get either, hence the twice. B) Because it's David, two wins for Houston. By emphasizing the Yankees, pressure them through Jedi mind tricks to get really Houston those two wins.

Best of birthdays, much as it can be, ITP! Hopefully, we can all get you a belated birthday gift from the city of Houston to you by the end of the weekend.
 

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Ells is their last Albatross. He seems to be their line in the sand. They handled Chapman well. They traded him for assets then got him rightback, recognizing that bullpen is where you spend when you have a 90 win team.
If only Cherington had the foresight to do this with Andrew Miller after trading him for a Eduardo Rodriguez.
That extra 1 million a year though, gotta stick to your guns when it comes to Miller apparently
 

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funny reading your comments let say Houston wins game 6 how will they win game 7 Cle was 2x tougher all the pressre will be on LA and unless Jeter gets Chapman u are looking at 3 Yankees world series wins in the next 5-6 years

if there any good thing for u u still have the pats
 

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I'm not sure how I lasted through the B3 without projectile vomiting when Joe Buck (after Judge's hit) began a long love poem to the New Toilet. See, now teams FEAR coming there to play (just like they did (supposedly) in the last park*) and how it is finally getting good and gritty and is no longer nice and pristine because some rowdy fans are tossing cups of beer around because their team is so freaking great. It was fucking embarrassing and ridiculous and nauseating.

(*: Cue Mirabelli saying "It still smells like champagne in here" on Opening Day 2005.)
 

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Sabathia's gonna get a 1 yr 15 mil or so contract from someone next year the way he's pitching - obviously NY if they're interested.
The way Tanaka is pitching I don't see how he doesn't opt out. He's been pitching fantastic and if he has any concerns at all about his elbow over the next few years it would be silly not to opt out and get a 5/100 deal at least one would think. He's throwing great splits and painting 95mph fastballs. Doesn't look like there are any issues with his arm, at least down the stretch.
 

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Are the Yankee pitchers doing that much different that they're able to shut the Astros down while the Sox' pitchers got battered from pillar to post? Or is this all just small sample size crap? Because it seemed like every single mistake the Sox made, Houston hit it out of the park. And in this series, I cannot believe that the Yankee pitchers haven't made some mistake pitches.
 

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Are the Yankee pitchers doing that much different that they're able to shut the Astros down while the Sox' pitchers got battered from pillar to post? Or is this all just small sample size crap? Because it seemed like every single mistake the Sox made, Houston hit it out of the park. And in this series, I cannot believe that the Yankee pitchers haven't made some mistake pitches.
Specific to Altuve, they're barely feeding him fastballs and he's looked like a complete sucker for first pitch breaking balls and sliders out of the zone. I think it's more of a mental issue with him right now than anything but the formula is as obvious right now as it was for Judge last week.
 

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Altuve is still hitting reasonable well in this series -- it's the other players (like Reddick and his 0-for-17) who aren't picking up their end.
 

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Just the eye test here, but I think CC and Tanaka in particular have both been very good at taking advantage of Houston pressing and getting a little tight. Reading what the umpire is giving them and exploiting Houston's aggressiveness, especially with breaking stuff just off the plate. Their ability to put balls where they want them has been huge. No pressing from them. Kudos to Sanchez too.
 

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I am rather enjoying the national media fawning over Justin Verlander in Game 6 and treating Severino as an afterthought.

Frankly, I would much rather have the Yankees pitching set up in both of these upcoming games: Sevy v. JV and CC v. The Kitchen Sink.
 

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I am rather enjoying the national media fawning over Justin Verlander in Game 6 and treating Severino as an afterthought.

Frankly, I would much rather have the Yankees pitching set up in both of these upcoming games: Sevy v. JV and CC v. The Kitchen Sink.
I concur. It’s a winnable series for Houston by any measure but expecting Verlander to CGS again is a tall order, and that’s what it sounds like people think will happen. That bullpen is complete trash.
 

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it is crazy just how poorly our SP did in the ALDS. God damn it, I will be pissed if the Yankees win the WS and then go on to win the AL East for the next few years, as we watch Xander "blossom" into a mediocre SS, JBJ get old and leave, Price opt-in and suck, and Benintendi top out as a 3 WAR player.

That can't and won't happen. The Astros can win two games in a row. This Yankees team is not this good. If that fails, the Dodgers can beat this Yankees team. Clayton Kershaw is still the best pitcher in the league. Yu Darvish is better than CC. Rich Hill can be dominant.
 

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I concur. It’s a winnable series for Houston by any measure but expecting Verlander to CGS again is a tall order, and that’s what it sounds like people think will happen. That bullpen is complete trash.
Tito went to a Game 7 last year and was on the verge of winning it all by riding a good bullpen. Yes, he manily used Miller but there is a lot more to it.

This year the Yankees built a good bullpen and then got reinforcements at the trade deadline.

The Sox had a good bullpen, and reinforced it with Reed. They could have pulled it out vs Houston despite the starting pitchers screwing up (if Kimbrel was himself in Game 4 you never know what happens in Game 5).

The formula is bullpen. That is the main reason the Yankees pulled out these 3 games and if they win this series it will be because of the bullpen. The fact that Tanaka and Sabathia have pitched out of their minds and the Astros have not pounded any mistake like they did the Sox's also helps. But knowing that after 5 innings you have 4 pitchers that can take care of business is the key. That is why Houston has very little chance and so do the Cubs (that's for another thread but seeing Maddon have to ride David for 48 pitches while he had to do the same last year with Chapman... that may be the difference).
 

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It stated with the late 80’s A’s and the idea of specific roles after the 6th inning, then the 96-01 Yankees took bullpens to the next level. Bullpens have continued to evolve and teams that have embraced it like the Royals, Giants, Cardinals and Red Sox have been rewarded with multiple championships/pennants.

Bullpens win in October. Whatever you get from your starters is a bonus.
 

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It stated with the late 80’s A’s and the idea of specific roles after the 6th inning, then the 96-01 Yankees took bullpens to the next level. Bullpens have continued to evolve and teams that have embraced it like the Royals, Giants, Cardinals and Red Sox have been rewarded with multiple championships/pennants.

Bullpens win in October. Whatever you get from your starters is a bonus.
I don't think you're implying this but it really takes both. There aren't many teams who win world series with starters laying eggs. You can't consistently win if you give up 4 runs before the bullpen comes in.

To diminish what the Yankees starters have done in the postseason (and all season, really) is a mistake. You might say they don't always go 6-7 innings but nobody can say they give up a ton of runs. Nothing has changed about that, including Tanaka who had a bad year but really inflated his era and whip with a couple of truly awful starts.
 

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It makes me want to vomit to say this but if the Yankees go on to beat the Astors, then somehow beat LA (I don't think they will, but hell, I didn't think the MFY would beat Cleveland), that would be pretty fucking impressive. They would have beaten three 100 win teams in straight series. I can't recall that ever happening. Like I said, it makes me want to vomit, but if they can do that, then I tip my hat to them. They will have earned it.

Now, someone please, make that not happen.
 

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It makes me want to vomit to say this but if the Yankees go on to beat the Astors, then somehow beat LA (I don't think they will, but hell, I didn't think the MFY would beat Cleveland), that would be pretty fucking impressive. They would have beaten three 100 win teams in straight series. I can't recall that ever happening. Like I said, it makes me want to vomit, but if they can do that, then I tip my hat to them. They will have earned it.
That is what I've been thinking as well. It's actually making their run less painful to watch, if that makes any sense - it's not like the Yankees have reached the point of being one game away from the Series thanks to some fluke plays and bad calls in their favor. They outplayed the Indians in four out of the five games in the ALDS and they've been competitive in every game in this series. You do have to tip your cap to Girardi and the veterans for what they've done in getting this Not Ready for Prime Time team this far.
 

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That is what I've been thinking as well. It's actually making their run less painful to watch, if that makes any sense - it's not like the Yankees have reached the point of being one game away from the Series thanks to some fluke plays and bad calls in their favor. They outplayed the Indians in four out of the five games in the ALDS and they've been competitive in every game in this series. You do have to tip your cap to Girardi and the veterans for what they've done in getting this Not Ready for Prime Time team this far.
For me it's simply the fact that both Sabathia and Tanaka have pitched in otherwordly fashion. As has been pointed out before, neither of them have been even close to this good throughout the year.

If they pitch close to their lines this season Cleveland probably takes the series. Not to mention Houston suddenly hitting like crap after making Sox pitchers look like little leaguers.
 

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For me it's simply the fact that both Sabathia and Tanaka have pitched in otherwordly fashion. As has been pointed out before, neither of them have been even close to this good throughout the year.

If they pitch close to their lines this season Cleveland probably takes the series. Not to mention Houston suddenly hitting like crap after making Sox pitchers look like little leaguers.
It's all about getting hot at the right time. Sabathia and Tanaka, I concur, are the two biggest reasons the MFY are where they are. It's astonishing how well they've pitched
 

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CF Springer
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2B Altuve
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1B Gurriel
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golf
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Purchase Nintendo Switch
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no surprises in Yanks lineup.

1. Brett Gardner, LF
2. Aaron Judge, RF
3. Didi Gregorius, SS
4. Gary Sanchez, C
5. Greg Bird, 1B
6. Starlin Castro, 2B
7. Aaron Hicks, CF
8. Todd Frazier, 3B
9. Chase Headley, DH
 

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I'm not sure how I lasted through the B3 without projectile vomiting when Joe Buck (after Judge's hit) began a long love poem to the New Toilet. See, now teams FEAR coming there to play (just like they did (supposedly) in the last park*) and how it is finally getting good and gritty and is no longer nice and pristine because some rowdy fans are tossing cups of beer around because their team is so freaking great. It was fucking embarrassing and ridiculous and nauseating.

(*: Cue Mirabelli saying "It still smells like champagne in here" on Opening Day 2005.)
Yeah, I heard that nonsense too; right, the MFY's are beating the Astors because of the park and how loud it is and how the escaped mental patients who inhabit it are banging on the padding along the walls; has nothing to do with timely hitting, two starters who are pitching out of their minds and a lights out bullpen, it's the new toilet that intimidated the Astors.....................
 

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Harold Reynolds (yeah, I know) was saying on mlbn that the Yankmees made an adjustment to Keuchel the second time they faced him. They all moved up in the box, so that they were quicker to the pitch. He showed image after image demonstrating this. If this is true, that is a sign of a good team, alas! Now, will they have come up with a comparable strategy to facing Verlander?
 

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That is what I've been thinking as well. It's actually making their run less painful to watch, if that makes any sense - it's not like the Yankees have reached the point of being one game away from the Series thanks to some fluke plays and bad calls in their favor. They outplayed the Indians in four out of the five games in the ALDS and they've been competitive in every game in this series. You do have to tip your cap to Girardi and the veterans for what they've done in getting this Not Ready for Prime Time team this far.
You're right. But I'll be damned if I tip my cap.
 

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The best three young players on the same team at the same time Frank Thomas has ever seen. The CORE of great Yankees teams for 10 to 12 years. Well, that's that. We're toast.
 

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Are there GM metrics? Perhaps ratio of value produced (at market rate per WAR) to money spent for free agents, and actual surplus value divided by draft slot expected value for players under team control.
 

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The best three young players on the same team at the same time Frank Thomas has ever seen. The CORE of great Yankees teams for 10 to 12 years. Well, that's that. We're toast.
Which three? Judge and Sanchez, I'm sure. Who was the other one between Severino, Bird and Gregorius?
 

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I am calling on the ghost of Jose Cruz Sr. to guide his descendants to the promised land.

..,. or at least to the land where you lean WAY over the plate in an effort to get on via HBP. (What the hell kind of pose is this, anyway?)