Is the pay at all comparable between a national team coach, even Germany's, and a superclub coaching job?
Arsenal 2017-18: Au Revoir, Arsene
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Among the realistic candidates. I have no interest in Low and I doubt he wants the job. The guy hasn't coached at club level in nearly 15 years. Arteta needs to manage a lower level club first before a job like Arsenal. Even Pep managed Barcelona B for a year before getting the big job. I actually don't think Rodgers would be the worst appointment but Jardim has proven much more in my view.
Regarding Rodgers and his Liverpool tenure .. when he had Suarez in the squad they were great .. and when he didn't they weren't .. I'd say he had mixed results. Lets just say he'd probably do a good job as long as he has lots of attacking talent at his disposal.
I'm really fucking glad I got done cleaning out my grandma's apartment in time to get to watch a televised funeral.
It's crazy that watching Arsenal Fan tv is more entertaining that watching Arsenal actually play football. I watched the match yesterday and Man City took the foot off the gas in the second half and just played a training match, albeit with less intensity. Arsenal just had nothing to offer. Wenger's lost the dressing room, when, it's hard to tell.
The players on the field, particularly the newer signings are not bargain basement players. Man CIty have outspended, but I think City's real edge is in the strength in depth of the squad, but 11 v 11 Arsneal have spent enough Net or otherwise to give City a game.
Fans of no struggling team are due sympathy, just cos things aren't going well. But Arsenal is a unique situation. All other teams get rid of the manager when results aren't good enough and things stagnate. But not Arsenal. Some of the less intelligent pundits and commentators talk about Wenger's legacy, his past achievements and cry foul at the barrage of criticism from much of the fan base. But, anyone with two eyes can see that the team are directionless, low on confidence, playing well below their collective ability, and are not up for the fight.
Arsenal have a huge working class fan base, who stump up a lot of cash to follow the team. I've lived in Highbury, spent years there - that Club is a huge part of the community. Players and managers come and go. But fandom gets passed down through the generations, and when a fan says Arsenal is our club...it's true.
I don't think I can remember watching Arsenal play with so little fire and intensity and belief (never mind skill and quality and application of strategy and tactics - plans A to B at the very least) as these last two games against City.
There's a way to lose. Rochdale lost 6-1 to Spurs and they gave everything. I've watched Celtic get torn apart in European matches be totally out classed and still, you say the players gave it their best and didnt disgrace the shirt on their backs.
I honeslty half expected Wenger to resign after the match, when he spent so long in the dressing room before his post match duties. And he was utterly delusional.
No idea who comes in to manage. I think it's a much better prospect than taking over from Sir Alex. I do think they need to get some of the ex players into the set up, much like Liverpool with Gerrard.
City have been great this season and in these two matches v Arsenal, but Wigan gave it a shot, Burnley gave it a shot, had a plan, busted their guts executing it. Wenger is a toxic presence at the club now. He has to go ASAP, anyone that says different is as delusional as the current manager.
The players on the field, particularly the newer signings are not bargain basement players. Man CIty have outspended, but I think City's real edge is in the strength in depth of the squad, but 11 v 11 Arsneal have spent enough Net or otherwise to give City a game.
Fans of no struggling team are due sympathy, just cos things aren't going well. But Arsenal is a unique situation. All other teams get rid of the manager when results aren't good enough and things stagnate. But not Arsenal. Some of the less intelligent pundits and commentators talk about Wenger's legacy, his past achievements and cry foul at the barrage of criticism from much of the fan base. But, anyone with two eyes can see that the team are directionless, low on confidence, playing well below their collective ability, and are not up for the fight.
Arsenal have a huge working class fan base, who stump up a lot of cash to follow the team. I've lived in Highbury, spent years there - that Club is a huge part of the community. Players and managers come and go. But fandom gets passed down through the generations, and when a fan says Arsenal is our club...it's true.
I don't think I can remember watching Arsenal play with so little fire and intensity and belief (never mind skill and quality and application of strategy and tactics - plans A to B at the very least) as these last two games against City.
There's a way to lose. Rochdale lost 6-1 to Spurs and they gave everything. I've watched Celtic get torn apart in European matches be totally out classed and still, you say the players gave it their best and didnt disgrace the shirt on their backs.
I honeslty half expected Wenger to resign after the match, when he spent so long in the dressing room before his post match duties. And he was utterly delusional.
No idea who comes in to manage. I think it's a much better prospect than taking over from Sir Alex. I do think they need to get some of the ex players into the set up, much like Liverpool with Gerrard.
City have been great this season and in these two matches v Arsenal, but Wigan gave it a shot, Burnley gave it a shot, had a plan, busted their guts executing it. Wenger is a toxic presence at the club now. He has to go ASAP, anyone that says different is as delusional as the current manager.
How damning is this article?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/02/arsenal-players-arsene-wenger-meeting
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/02/arsenal-players-arsene-wenger-meeting
So who's got kids old enough to be asking why Arsenal are trash?
Cech's kids are 9 and 10. Everyone else's seem too young.
Cech's kids are 9 and 10. Everyone else's seem too young.
LOL
Who's children are gonna cry after we got dunked on by a newly promoted team?
I can't wait to watch Arsenal in the Championship in 2020 with Arsene still as manager.
Who's children are gonna cry after we got dunked on by a newly promoted team?
I can't wait to watch Arsenal in the Championship in 2020 with Arsene still as manager.
Hyperbolic irony is an underused linguistic tool, but it does not mean it does not exist.
His post was the equivalent of a man wearing a Santa Claus hat having crying wank, but without the money shot.
I think you failed to understand my post - the more significant half of it was tucked away in the parentheses.
I'm glad i did not see the wood for the trees. I've been wanting to get crying wank into a post for a while.
The Low rumors are heating up a bit: http://www.espn.com/soccer/arsenal/story/3410004/arsenal-eye-germanys-joachim-low-to-replace-arsene-wenger-sources
I would be fine with him mostly in that I want a change as opposed to nothing. This has lingered for way too long.
I would be fine with him mostly in that I want a change as opposed to nothing. This has lingered for way too long.
Low would be a terrible option. He hasn't managed at club level in 15 years and had a largely undistinguished career at that level beforehand.
International football is child's play in terms of tactics and preparation compared to club football. You see the team every couple months, wave your hands a bit about tactics, but basically just roll the balls out and let them play. Low has done excellently in that role for Germany. But Arsenal need a manager who will actually take the club into the 21st century in terms of tactics and game preparation.
International football is child's play in terms of tactics and preparation compared to club football. You see the team every couple months, wave your hands a bit about tactics, but basically just roll the balls out and let them play. Low has done excellently in that role for Germany. But Arsenal need a manager who will actually take the club into the 21st century in terms of tactics and game preparation.
Jogi Löw doesn´t fit. He should stay where he is and bring us two more WCs.
And besides that, I doubt he is able to handle daily training situations and pressure for 10+months. He gets respected here and I think he is comfortable within that situation. He takes long breaks after summer tournaments, how would he even handle working for half a year? I don´t see it.
If Arsenal is smart about it, throw some money at Thomas Tuchel to bring him back to football. He had a plan. If you don´t get him to Arsenal, the Sheikhs should pick him up to PSG.
And besides that, I doubt he is able to handle daily training situations and pressure for 10+months. He gets respected here and I think he is comfortable within that situation. He takes long breaks after summer tournaments, how would he even handle working for half a year? I don´t see it.
If Arsenal is smart about it, throw some money at Thomas Tuchel to bring him back to football. He had a plan. If you don´t get him to Arsenal, the Sheikhs should pick him up to PSG.
It seems like Tuchel would be a good match. The squad needs a drastic overhaul (fresh chance to mold squad in his vision) but he’s familiar with a few of the players that would still be around.
Since Arsenal just gave an important position to Sven Mislintat, there's like 0% chance of them hiring Tuchel as manager. I doubt either would want to work with the other.
Today's Euro match could be a real beatdown-- Bellerin is out, Monreal is still out, Lacazette is injured, Aubaumeyeng is cup-tied. It's going to be that shambolic defense, nonexistent midfield, and Welbeck as striker for this team in horrible form in an important game on the road.
Today's Euro match could be a real beatdown-- Bellerin is out, Monreal is still out, Lacazette is injured, Aubaumeyeng is cup-tied. It's going to be that shambolic defense, nonexistent midfield, and Welbeck as striker for this team in horrible form in an important game on the road.
Tuchel is my dream hire so that's how you know it'll never happen.
2-0 in Milan with 2 minutes left. Would be a big result if it holds.
2-0 in Milan with 2 minutes left. Would be a big result if it holds.
LOL, that game shows that I know nothing.
What a pleasant surprise. Hopefully I'll get another surprise in the second leg too, since I fully expect Arsenal to Arsenal it up and blow it.
What a pleasant surprise. Hopefully I'll get another surprise in the second leg too, since I fully expect Arsenal to Arsenal it up and blow it.
As soon as I walked into the office today I switched on FS. At that point, when I saw the score ( 88th minute), my reaction was "holy shit, Arsenal are winning by two goals". Was my surprise warranted? I see Gray Eagle was. What were Arsenal fans expecting?
I was very surprised by the talent difference between the two. I guess 6th place in the Premier League is a lot better than 7th place in Serie A. I was expecting the same sleep-walking level of performance, but they handled Milan rather easily.
I'll admit I was looking to an Arsenal beatdown and was very surprised when I saw the scoreline. Looking over Milan's squad though, other than the defenders and Donnarumma, it is utter trash. I thought I read all about Milan's renaissance last summer, but Napoli and Roma seem to be the clubs that have picked up the slack behind Juve. Looking over both those squads and it's less of a surprise to see them being competitive in European competition. To bring it back to your Gooners though, what are the chances they could throw a ton of money at Sarri to bring him over? I know nothing of the man, but the job he has done in Naples is extraordinary.
Just reading ESPNFC, and stumbled on an interesting article. Here's the money quote for youz:
http://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona/story/3412516/barcelona-will-keep-recruiting-from-england-after-marcus-mcguane-debut-chief
This gets debated a lot on the internet and in pubs but no one is ever gonna dissuade me of the idea that the bottom of the Premier League would wipe the fuckin floor with 98% of the world's teams. Your relegation fodder in England is so much better than the dross from other countries.
Milan were undefeated in 2018 in all competitions until yesterday, including wins over Lazio and Roma in Serie A and beating Lazio on penalties in the Copa Italia semifinals. They were surprisingly bad yesterday but I think people are selling them a bit short. Gattuso has had them playing well. And there is some legitimate talent there beyond Donarumma. Bonucci is obviously a top player, Romagnoli is an international, Kessie has been looked at by big clubs, Cutrone and Andre Silva are both talented young strikers, Calhanoglu was one of the better players for Bayer before coming to Milan, Biglia is a longtime Argentine international, etc.
All that said, I make absolutely nothing out of Arsenal's victory. Good to see but anybody with any sense realizes that none of the rest of the season should matter one bit regarding Wenger's future. He needs to go, even if they win the Europa League (which remains a huge longshot in my view anyway).
All that said, I make absolutely nothing out of Arsenal's victory. Good to see but anybody with any sense realizes that none of the rest of the season should matter one bit regarding Wenger's future. He needs to go, even if they win the Europa League (which remains a huge longshot in my view anyway).
Oh, I have no delusions about Wenger needing to go now, or their chances at actually winning the Europa League. I mean random chance is a thing, so maybe they could win it, but the chances aren't good. It would be rather Arsenal-ly if they won the Europa and he stayed for another season though.
Obviously the most Arsenal-y thing they could do is drop the home half of the Milan tie 4-1, but even if they don't I agree with MMS that reading anything into this win is foolhardy. If there's a takeway it's a reinforcement that Ramsey is the only midfielder capable of providing reliable two-way play on the squad right now. I'd love to see a game pairing him with Elneny, stapling Xhaka to the bench, and letting Wilshire play forward alongside Ozil.
The most Arsenal thing possible would definitely be fluking to win this competition and thereby granting the Board and Silent Stan cover to do nothing and further expedite the swirling of the bowl for this club.
This has happened like 3 times already where it looks and sounds like Arsene is on death row and somehow they win something and he stays his execution.
This has happened like 3 times already where it looks and sounds like Arsene is on death row and somehow they win something and he stays his execution.
Since winning Europa gets you into the Champions League, does it qualify as two trophies for the price of one?
Yeah, this...I missed the game on Thursday for family reasons, but when I came home and saw the result, I felt like I do when the Atlanta Hawks (my favorite NBA team) win a basketball game this season.
Or worse. They lose the Europa final but let Wenger see out his contract anyway because, hey, we were so close to winning and, oops, the top replacement choices got sick of the uncertainty and took other jobs in the meantime.
Cech finally saves a penalty! Off Troy Deeney, LOL. Karma!
And Cech also finally gets his 200th career clean sheet in the Premier League. Good day for him.
And Cech also finally gets his 200th career clean sheet in the Premier League. Good day for him.
All the teams that are left are pretty even except for Atletico, at least according to what I could find. Going to Russia does kind of suck, especially right now. Now we just have to hope for an Atletico upset before the finals.
Upon thinking about it further, going to Russia doesn't really matter if they completely stop giving a shit about the league, which they should since there is no hope of making top 4.
Will they play Cech as they get closer to the finals...or will Ospina get all of them. Any chance they have a real forward by the end?
Anyone familiar with the reliability of kicker.de?
Lots of reports that Tuchel has turned down Bayern, and kicker if reporting he'll replace Wenger at the end of this season.
Lots of reports that Tuchel has turned down Bayern, and kicker if reporting he'll replace Wenger at the end of this season.
Color me skeptical. It seems very un-Arsenal to allow be so proactive in finding a new manager and to allow news of Wenger's departure to leak in this manner.
I would rather hire Jardim but Tuchel would be a good choice, assuming he and Mislinstat have been able to put their bad blood behind them. His BvB teams sometimes seemed weak at the back and prone to getting caught out, but he is known for being a tactically forward thinking manager and he really rejuvenated the side at Dortmund, moving out older stalwarts and bringing along young players like Weigl, Pulisic, Dembele, Guerreiro, etc. Arsenal need a similar makeover.
I would rather hire Jardim but Tuchel would be a good choice, assuming he and Mislinstat have been able to put their bad blood behind them. His BvB teams sometimes seemed weak at the back and prone to getting caught out, but he is known for being a tactically forward thinking manager and he really rejuvenated the side at Dortmund, moving out older stalwarts and bringing along young players like Weigl, Pulisic, Dembele, Guerreiro, etc. Arsenal need a similar makeover.