Beast Mode in New England?

[RedOctober3829]

Jeff Howe‏ @jeffphowe 7s8 seconds ago
Marshawn Lynch update: He has privately expressed interest in playing for Patriots if talks break off with Raiders. Keep an eye on that.

Jeff Howe‏ @jeffphowe 54s54 seconds ago
Lynch to Pats may be viewed as a long shot. But the sentiment exists.

 

[ifmanis5]

This has been a weird offseason.

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

I'd prefer to pass.

 

[EdRalphRomero]

I'd prefer to pass.

Hold on, time-out, time-out. Are you saying that with one of the great running backs in NFL history available, you're just gonna pass? This could be an opportunity to win a Superbowl. And you're gonna pass? I think you gotta at least give Lynch a chance here.

(ok I'm done now. Thanks).

 

[Jungleland]

This intrigues me a lot more than AP. For one, though health is a question he didn't really look done when he walked away. For two, he's among the most fun players in the league, and would be an easy guy to root for.

 

[Curt S Loew]

I'd prefer to pass.

And take away a 6th ring for the Patriots?

 

[doc]

I'd prefer to pass.

Apparently so wouldn't Pete Carroll.

 

[Spelunker]

The rending of garments that would result from the 12s here in Seattle would make this worth it. I'm a 100% behind this.

 

[Devizier]

I'd prefer to pass.

I laffed.

 

[Stitch01]

This makes a little more sense than Peterson, but skeptical this goes anywhere either. I expect the Pats to value a 31 year old running back who has been out of football for a year appropriately and doubt it matches up with Lynch's contract expectations.

 

[Curt S Loew]

Apparently so wouldn't Pete Carroll.

Yeah. Me too.

 

[dcmissle]

What would you do if in Lynch's position? Creating leverage with Oakland might be one option. Click bait Howe.

 

[mwonow]

You have to think ML's value to Oak (including marketing) is higher than to the Pats, but if 'I want a ring' (or in his case another ring) is a key decision factor, then the NEP would be a desirable destination...

 

[Bowhemian]

Hold on, time-out, time-out. Are you saying that with one of the great running backs in NFL history available, you're just gonna pass? This could be an opportunity to win a Superbowl. And you're gonna pass? I think you gotta at least give Lynch a chance here.

(ok I'm done now. Thanks).

Oh man, I know he has done pretty well, but I am not so sure I would say that.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LyncMa00.htm
His yards per carry average through his career is 4.3. Respectable, but not spectactular
His rushing yards per game average through is career is 71.7

 

[The Needler]

Seriously. He has one all-pro season. Amazing what a good nickname and a quirky personality can do for a reputation.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

What would you do if in Lynch's position? Creating leverage with Oakland might be one option. Click bait Howe.

Zolak actually said it on the radio first and put it out there. Looks like Howe had the info but wasn't going to disclose it yet but as soon as Zo made it public Howe released it. I could be wrong but that's a possibility.

 

[Kliq]

I never thought he was one of the three best RBs in the league in his prime; always found him to be super-overrated. He had a good highlight reel and a fun nickname but I don't think he is one of the ten best backs since 2000.

 

[BigJimEd]

Zolak actually said it on the radio first and put it out there. Looks like Howe had the info but wasn't going to disclose it yet but as soon as Zo made it public Howe released it. I could be wrong but that's a possibility.

I heard Zo. His comments were pure speculation based on fact that Lynch and Sherman are friends. Sounded like a big reach to me.

I'd have very little interest in Lynch. Take a look with no or very little guaranteed money and an incentive laden deal. Doubt he has much left.
Prefer to bring Blount back if they are still looking for a vet.

 

[BigSoxFan]

I never thought he was one of the three best RBs in the league in his prime; always found him to be super-overrated. He had a good highlight reel and a fun nickname but I don't think he is one of the ten best backs since 2000.

He was quite good from 2011-2014 and often while playing behind shit OL. I don't think he has much left but who knows. I'd probably prefer AP to Lynch if we're going with past-their-prime guys.

 

[Pandemonium67]

Some of these posts are under-estimating Lynch. He is one nasty mofo to tackle. LGBT does not compare. Few do.

 

[InstaFace]

The Pats are 60s-80s-era Boston Celtics right now. If Belichick wants you, that instantly raises your profile with 31 other teams. Nobody would trade with Red after the 1980 Parish deal either. The Patriots are the thing that goes bump in the night that everyone silently fears.

You have to think ML's value to Oak (including marketing) is higher than to the Pats, but if 'I want a ring' (or in his case another ring) is a key decision factor, then the NEP would be a desirable destination...

But that much more than Oakland? They've got to be second-favorites in the AFC, and have a personal convenience to Lynch that he surely values even more than the average NFL player.

 

[Oppo]

You guys are acting like you'd only want to add a top 3 back to this team. Get real. Bring him in, see if he'll take an incentive laden deal with the expectation of 10-15 carries a game and a good shot at a SB. What's the harm in kicking the tires?

 

[Stitch01]

Id probably rather they draft a back than pay for an older one given the backs/contracts on the roster Carrying five backs seems a bit much (Im not counting Bolden) and getting rid of White or Lewis doesnt really seems smart to me, so it seems like a bit of an either/or decision.

That said if Lynch would take an incentive laden deal for less than Burkhead took or something like Blount's last contract, fine, kick the tires, but I doubt he's looking for that.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Ummm, about that "incentive-laden deal":

But it could be an expensive and complicated process to get Lynch in the Flying Elvis helmet. Lynch would still be under contract with the Seattle Seahawks if he truly decides to unretire. His 2017 salary would be $9 million, and he has two years left on his contract.
If Lynch unretires, the Seahawks then would have to decide to keep him, trade him or release him. If there’s interest from the Oakland Raiders or Patriots, then it wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense for the Seahawks to let go of Lynch for free.
So, acquiring Lynch would possibly require the Patriots to not only give up compensation for the running back but also pay him $9 million in 2017.

http://nesn.com/2017/04/acquiring-marshawn-lynch-could-be-costly-complicated-for-patriots/

 

[BigJimEd]

Some of these posts are under-estimating Lynch. He is one nasty mofo to tackle. LGBT does not compare. Few do.

He was. Tough to say he is still is when he hasn't played in a season and a half.

 

[Reggie's Racquet]

This would surely get it done.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Ummm, about that "incentive-laden deal": http://nesn.com/2017/04/acquiring-marshawn-lynch-could-be-costly-complicated-for-patriots/

Except there have been multiple reports of Seahawks do "right" by Lynch and release him if he plans to play elsewhere.

Still think this is a longer shot than trading JG/trading for Sherman but it's certainly very intriguing.

Let's not forget that unlike Peterson, Lynch is a terrific pass catcher and an above-average pass blocker.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

This would surely get it done.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

You guys are acting like you'd only want to add a top 3 back to this team. Get real. Bring him in, see if he'll take an incentive laden deal with the expectation of 10-15 carries a game and a good shot at a SB. What's the harm in kicking the tires?

NONE. Takes him away from a potential SB contender, shores up a position in need, brings a different dimension to what you already have, etc. etc. What's not to like?

 

[E5 Yaz]

Except there have been multiple reports of Seahawks do "right" by Lynch and release him if he plans to play elsewhere.

Why would the Seahawks "do right" by him, though, if as Kyed points out there might be multiple suitors? Particularly suitors who might see the need to keep him away from the other team.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

I bet he wouldn't be one of those players who talks out of turn to the press

 

[Hendu for Kutch]

Ummm, about that "incentive-laden deal":



http://nesn.com/2017/04/acquiring-marshawn-lynch-could-be-costly-complicated-for-patriots/

That seems like a non-issue. If Lynch comes back, Seattle has to either pay him $9M or release him. It looks like they've got about $5M in cap space accounting for the draft pool. They'd have to start cutting other areas of the team to do anything but release him.

I can't imagine anyone giving them anything for the right to pay an RB who missed last season that kind of money. And I don't think Seattle has the ability to wait the situation out either.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Why would the Seahawks "do right" by him, though, if as Kyed points out there might be multiple suitors? Particularly suitors who might see the need to keep him away from the other team.

Logically, sure. I did listen to a podcast (MMQB or The Ringer) where they're talking about how the Seattle FO operates a bit differently. That certainly doesn't mean Lynch will be released outright.

 

[Stitch01]

NONE. Takes him away from a potential SB contender, shores up a position in need, brings a different dimension to what you already have, etc. etc. What's not to like?

I dont really think RB is a position of need. White and Lewis are back and they gave Burkhead a contract that indicates they view him as a part of the offense. They have Bolden as a break glass in case of emergency option. Decent chance (but not certain) they have another body on the roster at the position, but they could roll into the season with what they have today and be completely find and most of the '17 carries are pretty likely already on the roster.

 

[mwonow]

(re: picking the Pats over the Raiders if you want to win a ring) They've got to be second-favorites in the AFC, and have a personal convenience to Lynch that he surely values even more than the average NFL player.

Yeah. I mean, I think the Raiders are a good and exciting team, and I'm looking forward to watching them in 2017 - and like a lot of people here (at least, of "a certain age"), I feel like the NFL is more enjoyable when the Raiders are a contender.

But if "you are what your record says you are," the Raiders are a team that was above .500 last year, but before that, had no .500+ seasons since 2002, which is also the last year they won a playoff game. I get that Lynch and the Raiders are a more natural fit than Lynch and any other team - both ways - and that they sure look like a contender now, but fwiw, the Raiders have won 60 games since Lynch entered the league in 2007, the Pats have won 126 (plus 13 playoff games and two Super Bowls) over the same period. As they say in the stock market, past performance is no guarantee, etc., but there ought to be a pretty noticeable gap between the two teams from a ring probability perspective.

 

[Marciano490]

Yeah. I mean, I think the Raiders are a good and exciting team, and I'm looking forward to watching them in 2017 - and like a lot of people here (at least, of "a certain age"), I feel like the NFL is more enjoyable when the Raiders are a contender.

But if "you are what your record says you are," the Raiders are a team that was above .500 last year, but before that, had no .500+ seasons since 2002, which is also the last year they won a playoff game. I get that Lynch and the Raiders are a more natural fit than Lynch and any other team - both ways - and that they sure look like a contender now, but fwiw, the Raiders have won 60 games since Lynch entered the league in 2007, the Pats have won 126 (plus 13 playoff games and two Super Bowls) over the same period. As they say in the stock market, past performance is no guarantee, etc., but there ought to be a pretty noticeable gap between the two teams from a ring probability perspective.

They're also a team with a ton of young talent at key positions. I'm not sure why their record 3 years ago has any relevance at this point. And people aren't just looking at last year's record; they're looking at overall roster construction.

 

[mwonow]

They're also a team with a ton of young talent at key positions. I'm not sure why their record 3 years ago has any relevance at this point. And people aren't just looking at last year's record; they're looking at overall roster construction.

Yeah, not disputing that they're a good team on the rise, and I am sincerely looking forward to watching them play next year - but I do think there's still a fair-sized gap between potential for a 2017 ring if you play for the Pats vs, the Raiders. YMMV...

 

[E5 Yaz]

First and goal inside the 10 with the Super Bowl on the line ... for how many plays are the Patriots going to take the ball out of Tom Brady's hands?

 

[Gunfighter 09]

Reggie McKenzie (the Raiders GM) is an asshole in contract negotiations. He supposedly doesn't go over price and hates long term guaranteed money clogging up his cap. This is quality agent work by Lynch's reps, but am not sure I can quite see him living half a winter in New England at this point. I still think it is Oakland or nothing for Lynch, though I didn't realize how likely nothing was until today.

The life cycle of "Marshawn Lynch might want to play here" is pretty interesting to watch move through a second fan base this spring.

 

[Soxy]

First and goal inside the 10 with the Super Bowl on the line ... for how many plays are the Patriots going to take the ball out of Tom Brady's hands?

You'll have to be more specific. Are they on the one yard line? The nine yard line? The five yard line?

And you do realize that they just won a Super Bowl on a running play in a goal to go situation, right?

 

[E5 Yaz]

You'll have to be more specific. Are they on the one yard line? The nine yard line? The five yard line?

And you do realize that they just won a Super Bowl on a running play in a goal to go situation, right?

No, I had no idea.

 

[Soxy]

That it was an attempt at humor actually makes me think less of the original post.

 

[E5 Yaz]

That it was an attempt at humor actually makes me think less of the original post.

I'm crushed

 

[Ed Hillel]

And you do realize that they just won a Super Bowl on a running play in a goal to go situation, right?

To be fair, it was after the play on first down where Brady nearly got picked.

 

[dcmissle]

So what you're saying is, had Malcolm merely broken up that pass and not intercepted it, Beast probably runs it in for TD on the next play? I think so.

The what-ifs will be forever unknowable, and nothing should take away from an A+ play by Butler and superb coaching leading to it. Attention to detail matters so much. But I'm not throwing there, and I'm not throwing 2 months ago where a FG kills us and the one thing you can't do is take a sack. Coaching matters so much.

 

[Bowhemian]

Hold on, time-out, time-out. Are you saying that with one of the great running backs in NFL history available, you're just gonna pass? This could be an opportunity to win a Superbowl. And you're gonna pass? I think you gotta at least give Lynch a chance here.

(ok I'm done now. Thanks).

Oh man, I know he has done pretty well, but I am not so sure I would say that.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LyncMa00.htm
His yards per carry average through his career is 4.3. Respectable, but not spectactular
His rushing yards per game average through is career is 71.7

I would like to note that ERR's joke went wooooooooooooooooooosh, right over my head.
Well played Ed, well played.

 

[Hoodie Sleeves]

You guys are acting like you'd only want to add a top 3 back to this team. Get real. Bring him in, see if he'll take an incentive laden deal with the expectation of 10-15 carries a game and a good shot at a SB. What's the harm in kicking the tires?

I'm not sure he was a top 3 back at his prime.

At 31, after a year of not playing? Chances are very remote.

 

[JokersWildJIMED]

So what you're saying is, had Malcolm merely broken up that pass and not intercepted it, Beast probably runs it in for TD on the next play? I think so.

The what-ifs will be forever unknowable, and nothing should take away from an A+ play by Butler and superb coaching leading to it. Attention to detail matters so much. But I'm not throwing there, and I'm not throwing 2 months ago where a FG kills us and the one thing you can't do is take a sack. Coaching matters so much.

In a vacuum few disagree with that statement. However, would you be throwing it with time running out at the end of the 2nd quarter (in SB 49), where an incompletion probably takes points off the board, or make a risky pass to Jones when an open ten yards are available for a QB run? Neither team would have been in the position to second guess without the mindset that set up those questionable decisions late in the game.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

You'll have to be more specific. Are they on the one yard line? The nine yard line? The five yard line?

And you do realize that they just won a Super Bowl on a running play in a goal to go situation, right?

Not only that. As an epic troll we ran the ball out of the same formation Seattle used to throw the int

 

[Hoodie Sleeves]

Not only that. As an epic troll we ran the ball out of the same formation Seattle used to throw the int

The argument is dumb either way. In OT, the Pats threw from the 2 yard line before running it in. They throw from that range pretty often.