Brady vs. Rodgers - Tale of the Tape

DJnVa · Oct 31, 2018

Brady said Rodgers would throw for 7000 yards in NE.

Lose Remerswaal · Oct 31, 2018

Interesting that Tom has a lower TD/INT ratio than Aaron

tims4wins · Oct 31, 2018

Lose Remerswaal said:
Interesting that Tom has a lower TD/INT ratio than Aaron

Somewhat a product of Brady's first 6 years. 5.9% TD / 1.5% INT from 2007 on. Have to remember it was a different league back in at least the 2001-2004 timeframe, if not longer.

Van Everyman · Oct 31, 2018

My preference for Brady continues to based on one thing: health. His style of play and, yes, physical limitations are better suited for the NFL game of football -- and the primary reason that he stayed upright for all but one of his 17 seasons.

I love Rodgers -- but if I had to choose one guy, I choose Brady every time.

Was (Not Wasdin) · Oct 31, 2018

Rodgers' career stats get knocked down because he sat for 3 full seasons behind Favre, and that will be tough to make up. With even below-average production for say 2 of those 3 years, he's likely closing in on 50,000 yards and 400 TD's. Still well behind Brady, but would put him up into the stratosphere with only a few others for comparison.

I think Brady 2009-2018 vs. Rodgers 2009-2018 is a very appropriate comparison, and it looks very similar to the full career comparison with Brady leading on the counting stats and Rodgers having a slight edge in the rate stats. Brady made 4 super bowls in that span, winning 2, while Rodgers made and won 1. And Brady had already had one Hall of Fame career by 2009.

terrynever · Oct 31, 2018

I love the respect Brady showed Rodgers this week, saying he watches Green Bay games when he can, just to see Rodgers operate. Rodgers’ quick release is beautiful to watch, even for the greatest QB ever. Can’t wait to see this game.

singaporesoxfan · Oct 31, 2018

I wonder how much 49ers fans ever kick themselves for passing on two great QBs who grew up 49ers fans and lived/played college ball in the Bay Area

bankshot1 · Oct 31, 2018

Rodgers is the more talented passer, and can make throws Brady probably never could (age aside) but Brady is the better QB/field general.

Their comparisons is akin to Unitas and Starr in the 60s, with the big exception that Brady is also a very talented passer, and closer to Rodgers than Starr was to Unitas.

YMMV.

terrynever · Oct 31, 2018

bankshot1 said:
Rodgers is the more talented passer, and can make throws Brady probably never could (age aside) but Brady is the better QB/field general.

Their comparisons is akin to Unitas and Starr in the 60s, with the big exception that Brady is also a very talented passer, and closer to Rodgers than Starr was to Unitas.

YMMV.

Sonny Jurgensen was similar to Rodgers, great arm, quick release, didn’t win much.

DJnVa · Oct 31, 2018

terrynever said:
Sonny Jurgensen was similar to Rodgers, great arm, quick release, didn’t win much.

Rodgers doesn't win much? He's 97-51-1 (top 20 all time) and every season he's started more than 9 games he has double digit wins.

Ed Hillel · Oct 31, 2018

Van Everyman said:
My preference for Brady continues to based on one thing: health. His style of play and, yes, physical limitations are better suited for the NFL game of football -- and the primary reason that he stayed upright for all but one of his 17 seasons.

I love Rodgers -- but if I had to choose one guy, I choose Brady every time.

I think Brady is far and away ahead of him in leadership and team-first qualities, as well. Ty Montgomery isn’t getting traded in New England and Brady isn’t making his contract a public issue (that’s not something he did before Giselle either).

Mystic Merlin · Oct 31, 2018

Bruschi made a similar point today. He also thinks - and he didn’t put it this way but I am - that Tom is a maniac in terms of his obsessiveness with working at the craft and winning.

That’s not a knock on Rodgers, of course.

terrynever · Oct 31, 2018

DrewDawg said:
Rodgers doesn't win much? He's 97-51-1 (top 20 all time) and every season he's started more than 9 games he has double digit wins.

I was referring to Jurgy. Lack of clarity on my part.

snowmanny · Oct 31, 2018

Rodgers looked like the greatest QB ever against Dallas in the 2014 playoffs but not that great the next week against Seattle. In 2015 he wasn't very good against Arizona except for the hail mary. In 2016 he blew out the Giants, then had that great game and finish against the Cowboys, had everyone declaring him a God, and then disappeared for a half against Atlanta.

To be fair, Brady disappeared for a half against Atlanta too.

Seels · Oct 31, 2018

I think stats do a poor job with Rodgers. On one hand, his passer rating is certainly inflated due to his playstyle. He sacrifices when a play breaks down, and very often has sacks or short meaningless runs that don't convert.This isn't reflected in passer rating where other passers will throw it out or try to force it or something else. It is reflected in his injury history and in average adjusted yards or any advanced stat.

That said, Rodgers would certainly win more if not for McCarthy. That guy sucks. I wonder how often mediocre coaches are let be mediocre on teams because they have certain elite other talent. I don't know what McCarthy actually does right, aside from assist in the creation of Rodgers. Same with Sean Peyton, really.

dcmissle · Oct 31, 2018

Lovefest week.

Rodgers says Brady’s 5 rings end most discussions.

BB can’t say enough good things about Rodgers.

Marciano490 · Oct 31, 2018

On the field, I see Rodgers do things and make plays that Brady can’t. I don’t think the reverse happens often.

It’s entirely possible and likely that Brady doesn’t have to make those plays because he executes more quickly or diagnoses the defense better at the line of scrimmage.

Brady is also a much better leader and teammate, for whatever that’s worth.

DeJesus Built My Hotrod · Oct 31, 2018

Marciano490 said:
On the field, I see Rodgers do things and make plays that Brady can’t. I don’t think the reverse happens often.

It’s entirely possible and likely that Brady doesn’t have to make those plays because he executes more quickly or diagnoses the defense better at the line of scrimmage.

Brady is also a much better leader and teammate, for whatever that’s worth.

ORLY?

BigSoxFan · Oct 31, 2018

Seels said:
I think stats do a poor job with Rodgers. On one hand, his passer rating is certainly inflated due to his playstyle. He sacrifices when a play breaks down, and very often has sacks or short meaningless runs that don't convert.This isn't reflected in passer rating where other passers will throw it out or try to force it or something else. It is reflected in his injury history and in average adjusted yards or any advanced stat.

That said, Rodgers would certainly win more if not for McCarthy. That guy sucks. I wonder how often mediocre coaches are let be mediocre on teams because they have certain elite other talent. I don't know what McCarthy actually does right, aside from assist in the creation of Rodgers. Same with Sean Peyton, really.

The McCarthy point can’t be overstated. Rodgers has a career 99.4 passer rating in the playoffs.

And his playoff record is 9-7...

ManicCompression · Oct 31, 2018

Seels said:
I think stats do a poor job with Rodgers. On one hand, his passer rating is certainly inflated due to his playstyle. He sacrifices when a play breaks down, and very often has sacks or short meaningless runs that don't convert.This isn't reflected in passer rating where other passers will throw it out or try to force it or something else. It is reflected in his injury history and in average adjusted yards or any advanced stat.

That said, Rodgers would certainly win more if not for McCarthy. That guy sucks. I wonder how often mediocre coaches are let be mediocre on teams because they have certain elite other talent. I don't know what McCarthy actually does right, aside from assist in the creation of Rodgers. Same with Sean Peyton, really.

I get the hate on Mccarthy. The GB offense is infuriating to watch. It’s unimaginative and the only thing separating it, scheme-wise, from the Giants offense is Rodgers.

That being said, McCarthy has done a good job developing players, which is a pre-requisite for a team that does not sign free agents. Their offensive line rarely has high picks on it and it’s always one of the leagues best. The wide receivers are often mid round picks or undrafted FAs and they seem to make it work. They’ve gotten good results from a plethora of developed d-linemen and CBs.

There’s a nature vs nurture argument here, but we can look around the league and spot a bunch of awful coaches who ruin talented young players. I don’t think Mccarthy is that guy.

Sean Payton is much the same. There’s a reason they churn out offensive talent every year.

DourDoerr · Oct 31, 2018

Rodgers is the superior runner. When things break down he's a real threat to get a big gain. Brady not so much. Brady has 570 carries for 997 yards, 1.7y/a, and a career high run of 22 yards. Rodgers goes 543 carries for 2786, 5.1y/a and a longest run of 35 yards. That said, I still prefer Brady for his leadership and ability to figure out what the D is showing and making the quick adjustment - tough to quantify, of course, but he gets spectacular results despite a lack of athleticism.

Interestingly, Pro Football Reference had these nicknames for Brady: Tom Terrific, Touchdown Tom, The Pharaoh, Comeback Kid or Sir

Rodgers had none. Depending on how you feel about those nicknames (I'm intrigued and mystified by The Pharaoh and its origin), point Brady.

Marciano490 · Oct 31, 2018

Rodgers seems like the kinda guy who would try to force his friends to call him something cool like Maverick or the Duke and they’d just refuse. He’s got some Peyton in him that way, with seemingly less concern about what people think about him though.

SMU_Sox · Nov 1, 2018

If you’re grading by physical traits Rodgers wins. I don’t think that answers the question on who is better but if we’re talking pure physical traits that you’d want in a QB it’s Rodgers. I don’t know how to quantify the trait gap between Brady and Rodgers. Brady isn’t chopped liver, but Rodgers is a generational talent.
Traits don’t mean dick if you can’t execute and both of these guys execute at an elite level. I’d give the edge to Rodgers because he can match Brady and then do things Brady can’t. I’d still say Brady is the GOAT. It’s also a close call here and splitting hairs between two all time greats.

Edit: Intangibles. Huge edge to Brady here. He is a crucial cog in the machine. If he doesn’t buy in at the level he does none of this happens. He sets the example.

DourDoerr · Nov 1, 2018

Marciano490 said:
Rodgers seems like the kinda guy who would try to force his friends to call him something cool like Maverick or the Duke and they’d just refuse. He’s got some Peyton in him that way, with seemingly less concern about what people think about him though.

I agree with the bolded. Rodgers strikes me as someone who's somewhat like Ted Williams. A very gifted athlete who's a little squirrelly and has a monstrous chip on his shoulder.

Spelunker · Nov 1, 2018

DourDoerr said:
Rodgers is the superior runner. When things break down he's a real threat to get a big gain. Brady not so much. Brady has 570 carries for 997 yards, 1.7y/a, and a career high run of 22 yards. Rodgers goes 543 carries for 2786, 5.1y/a and a longest run of 35 yards. That said, I still prefer Brady for his leadership and ability to figure out what the D is showing and making the quick adjustment - tough to quantify, of course, but he gets spectacular results despite a lack of athleticism.

Interestingly, Pro Football Reference had these nicknames for Brady: Tom Terrific, Touchdown Tom, The Pharaoh, Comeback Kid or Sir

Rodgers had none. Depending on how you feel about those nicknames (I'm intrigued and mystified by The Pharaoh and its origin), point Brady.

"The Pharaoh" was none other than wise kook Brandon Spikes.

snowmanny · Nov 1, 2018

DourDoerr said:
I agree with the bolded. Rodgers strikes me as someone who's somewhat like Ted Williams. A very gifted athlete who's a little squirrelly and has a monstrous chip on his shoulder.

Well he supposedly got pissed off and stopped talking to his entire family so maybe.

reggiecleveland · Nov 1, 2018

To me this is like Wilt and Russell. If Red's machinations work and Wilt goes to a NE college, he ends up with the greatest career in NBA history. It can be argued Wilt's ego and Rusell's fire were innate and Wilt would not have fit in with the Celitcs.

Brady and Rogers are closer in talent that Russ and Wilt, and the modern NFL would not have the same terrible level of coaching Wilt suffered, so Rogers' coaches are closer to Belicek than Wilts's were to Red.

But, hypothetical is not the discussion, and Russell and Brady have had better careers.

NortheasternPJ · Nov 1, 2018

SMU_Sox said:
If you’re grading by physical traits Rodgers wins. I don’t think that answers the question on who is better but if we’re talking pure physical traits that you’d want in a QB it’s Rodgers. I don’t know how to quantify the trait gap between Brady and Rodgers. Brady isn’t chopped liver, but Rodgers is a generational talent.
Traits don’t mean dick if you can’t execute and both of these guys execute at an elite level. I’d give the edge to Rodgers because he can match Brady and then do things Brady can’t. I’d still say Brady is the GOAT. It’s also a close call here and splitting hairs between two all time greats.

Edit: Intangibles. Huge edge to Brady here. He is a crucial cog in the machine. If he doesn’t buy in at the level he does none of this happens. He sets the example.

If you're playing a pickup football game of NFL players you'd take Rodgers 100/100 times. He's much better than Brady in raw ability, improvising, running etc. but Brady is extremely talented compared to most, he works his ass off and is more prepared than probably any other QB, his reads are better etc. but Rodgers is a much better raw talent.

FredJones · Nov 1, 2018

ManicCompression said:
I get the hate on Mccarthy. The GB offense is infuriating to watch. It’s unimaginative and the only thing separating it, scheme-wise, from the Giants offense is Rodgers.

That being said, McCarthy has done a good job developing players, which is a pre-requisite for a team that does not sign free agents. Their offensive line rarely has high picks on it and it’s always one of the leagues best. The wide receivers are often mid round picks or undrafted FAs and they seem to make it work. They’ve gotten good results from a plethora of developed d-linemen and CBs.

There’s a nature vs nurture argument here, but we can look around the league and spot a bunch of awful coaches who ruin talented young players. I don’t think Mccarthy is that guy.

Sean Payton is much the same. There’s a reason they churn out offensive talent every year.

There's an iceberg effect here that negatively impacts the perception of McCarthy (and to a lesser extent, Payton). We watch the games Sunday and we see his vanilla offense and mindnumbing conservatism and think, "Holy god, how is this guy coaching in the NFL, Rodgers is carrying him hard." I do it every time I see a GB game, now that I think about it. But as ManicCompression points out, we don't really notice the constant progression in development his offensive players make. And McCarthy's cumulative record in GB needs to be assessed with the backdrop of Ted Thompson perplexing aversion to free agency; the talent on his teams through the years up till recently was all developed in-house. Given these factors, there's definitely a strong case to be made that MM is actually a good to great teambuilding coach held back by his own dismal game day performances.

*Edit:* Heck, I didn't really read the back half of ManicCompression's post. He said the same things I did. Whoops.

DourDoerr · Nov 2, 2018

Spelunker said:
"The Pharaoh" was none other than wise kook Brandon Spikes.

Thanks for that! I really like the nickname - it also has allusions to Brady's age as in "as old as the pyramids" - but it never took, it seems.

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