Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 (the Year of the Swap)
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Miami beats the dysfunctional Bulls in Chicago for their 6th straight win.
No one is close the Brooklyn now.
No one is close the Brooklyn now.
I knew they were going to be bottom three at best but I never would have guessed it would be over so soon.
Miami wins again and are basically out of the woods entirely. Nets are a full 6 back of Phoenix and 6.5 back of LAL. I'd argue both of those teams are about 5 wins away from being out of reach, even if you assume some unsavory tankwork from the latter especially.
Without Lin, this is simply who the Nets are, as they're otherwise pretty healthy.
Without Lin, this is simply who the Nets are, as they're otherwise pretty healthy.
How would the Lakers even tank though? I guess they could trade/sit Williams and Young but all their players are young. You can't sit Randle, Russell, Ingram, Zubac, etc.
It looks like the Nuggets are starting to separate from the pack so every Western Conference team being in the playoff hunt is coming to an end. Maybe more teams try to tank but all the bad teams are young outside of the Mavs. The Nuggets are a great offensive team and are one of the deepest teams in the league. If Jokic is the real deal, the 8th seed is all but locked up.
edit: Also, while the Nets are a pretty terrible team, every other team is on pace to win around 30 games. There aren't any awful teams outside the Nets, just some run of the mill bad ones. We thought the Miami Heat were the clear 2 not long ago and they are on a 7 game winning streak. Dallas plays pretty good D, the Suns have Bledsoe, Booker and some decent young offensive talent that can score with the best of them. The Suns could easily finish with the 2nd worst record or the 10th worst. The Orlando Magic could end up with the 2nd worst record in the NBA and no one has even mentioned them.
It looks like the Nuggets are starting to separate from the pack so every Western Conference team being in the playoff hunt is coming to an end. Maybe more teams try to tank but all the bad teams are young outside of the Mavs. The Nuggets are a great offensive team and are one of the deepest teams in the league. If Jokic is the real deal, the 8th seed is all but locked up.
edit: Also, while the Nets are a pretty terrible team, every other team is on pace to win around 30 games. There aren't any awful teams outside the Nets, just some run of the mill bad ones. We thought the Miami Heat were the clear 2 not long ago and they are on a 7 game winning streak. Dallas plays pretty good D, the Suns have Bledsoe, Booker and some decent young offensive talent that can score with the best of them. The Suns could easily finish with the 2nd worst record or the 10th worst. The Orlando Magic could end up with the 2nd worst record in the NBA and no one has even mentioned them.
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It's not too often my prognostications are proven correct, but I couldn't be happier that I was spot on about this team over the last two years. Heard a lot about how they'd be outpaced by other teams tanking on purpose, but rosters don't lie.
Amazingly, if Embiid were healthy we'd be looking at a 2nd worst finish last year in addition to this year's league worst effort. Not that I'm concerned about missing out on a higher pick as of now. Jaylen is outplaying Ingram—not the fairest comparison given one has been thrown into the fire on a bad young team while the other is getting a full education but I'll take it.
Amazingly, if Embiid were healthy we'd be looking at a 2nd worst finish last year in addition to this year's league worst effort. Not that I'm concerned about missing out on a higher pick as of now. Jaylen is outplaying Ingram—not the fairest comparison given one has been thrown into the fire on a bad young team while the other is getting a full education but I'll take it.
I dunno. The Nets always built up big half time leads and then lose by 20.
Edit: And they blow a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter in 2 minutes and are currently down by 1 with 5 minutes and change to play.
Edit: And they blow a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter in 2 minutes and are currently down by 1 with 5 minutes and change to play.
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LiAngelo is the senior, LaMelo the sophomore. Lavar, the dad, must have good genes.
If Ball was only a top 10 pick his brother coming next year could be a reason for him to stay another year, but he would be crazy not to come out this year. Matt Leinart style.
If Ball was only a top 10 pick his brother coming next year could be a reason for him to stay another year, but he would be crazy not to come out this year. Matt Leinart style.
Not to be a hater on a HS kid, but he cherry picked for much of the game. And the other team played zero D.
Don't get me wrong the kid can play, but his shot is sort of funky like his brother's. Too bad the dad didn't know how to teach shooting form. The kid is tough to keep in front off the dribble.
Clearly talented but I think he's going to get toasted on defense at the college level. Way too much showboating but a good college coach can correct that. Level of competition looks pretty weak to me. Those highlights looked like a glorified pickup game.
The dude is a sophomore. Not sure how you can project his college level defense by any stretch.
A high school was 143-125 (or close)---don't they play 8 minute quarters? Yikes.
I'm not projecting ANY defense.
It's amazing how bad the HS coaching can be. If you watch HS basketball around here (CMass/EMass) the defensive effort is so much higher. There's an actual system, kids get back on D, kids step up in the lane, etc. And with much less talented players. Now this isn't the case at every HS around here, but for most part kids play much harder than that.
I don't know if the coaches are afraid the players might leave/quit, but they are doing the kids a total disservice.
You can project that's behind the curve because his team clearly doesn't play any. And he's very frail looking. Sure, he'll get bigger and stronger but I don't see an elite athlete here. Passing and shooting skills are clearly there.
Body won't be the issue. He hasn't learned how to play defense and doesn't look very interested in it either. This is a kid who took a half court shot in a game just for shits and giggles. His next coach will have his work cut out for him.a frail looking 15 year old. the horror
It was an exhibition game, wasn't it? It'd be fun to see Steph Curry shoot some 3's from half court in an all star game.
So this is pretty funny. I found the Nets Daily post from draft day 2013 when the big trade went down. The comments are hilarious. "The picks are going to be in the 25-30 range." "I hope we don't give up Toko Shengelia to Boston." Very entertaining.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2013/6/27/4472938/nets-acquire-garnett-pierce#comments
http://www.netsdaily.com/2013/6/27/4472938/nets-acquire-garnett-pierce#comments
I'm not really going to be. Even in the worst case scenario there will be a very good PG available at #4. Fultz would be nice, but there just isn't a huge drop-off from #1 or #2 like there is most years.
There may not be but I'm a big Fultz fan, much more so than Ball, Jackson, and the others.
The amazing thing is how patient Danny has been as a GM:
- The Brooklyn pick in 2018 will almost certainly be in the top 10.
- They have a 1st from Memphis that could be as high as #10 in 2019, #8 in 2020, and unprotected in 2021.
- The Celtics get an extra 1st from the Clippers in 2019 or 2020 (if the Clips make the playoffs either year).
- The two oldest guys on the current roster are 30 and 31 years old.
- They have the 5th best record in the league and one of the best young coaches.
- Oh and they also have two foreign big men stashed overseas.
Some of the comments lauded King for unloading Gerald Wallace's contract. I wonder how much more value Ainge was able to extract by taking that contract.
The decline of Brooklyn was totally foreseeable at the time of the trade. Maybe not to this extent, but at the time it was reasonable to think the 2016-2018 Nets would be mid-to-low lottery, maybe where Dallas is right now as a franchise. The only way this trade was not going to be a disaster was if they could somehow turn Brooklyn into a hip destination for free agents so they could replace Pierce/Garnett/D-Will with younger star players and keep those picks in the 20s. Things didn't work out that way, of course. The unexpected thing that really put the deal over the top was the rise of the Celtics; this year's pick swap looked more or less like a wash when the deal was made; nobody thought the Cs would end up in the top 5 or 6 in the NBA.
Anyway, we're to the point where the Nets are projected to finish the season with fewer wins than every other NBA team has right now. May the lottery gods (finally) be merciful!
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds
Anyway, we're to the point where the Nets are projected to finish the season with fewer wins than every other NBA team has right now. May the lottery gods (finally) be merciful!
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds
Lets not all forget the real winner of the trade...Keith Bogans who ended up getting a rasie from 890k to 5.1 million just to make the salaries match to complete this deal.
Imagine a rival employer luring a top exec from your company and to make #s work they give you a 5x payraise and tell you to hang out at home? Jackpot baby!
Imagine a rival employer luring a top exec from your company and to make #s work they give you a 5x payraise and tell you to hang out at home? Jackpot baby!
With the Suns blowing out the Lakers and the Nets losing yet again, they're about to go "up" nine in the win column with 26 to play. The race to the bottom is all but over.
Everyone thought they would be bad, but not this bad compared to every other team. They are only projected to win as many games the 2nd worst team already has.
Tankathon is probably losing a lot a page views this year. Last year I know I was on that thing every morning.
Tankathon is probably losing a lot a page views this year. Last year I know I was on that thing every morning.
Yeah when they started like 4-4 or whatever it was, figured it was going to be a tight race all year like last year but nopeeee