I think Pasta is better, so I think right around that number. Maybe a tad lower since Drai is a C.
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Yeah, I was going to post something snarky along the lines of "another team that doesn't have Adam McQuaid taking up cap space".... but I think you did a better job of expressing my thoughts.
(As an aside, I just took a look at a website called Cap Friendly, which was the first site that popped up looking for salary information.... and man do i hope David Krejci can find some way to finally rebound from his injuries. He still isn't awful, but that cap number is scary high.)
They have ~$10.1 million in cap space at the moment. I think they've planned for a large number here. My guess is he beats Krejci's $7.25 AAV.
FWIW on the bonus/lockout protection angle:
Draisaitl is only getting $14 million in bonuses. It's when the next lockout comes around, but the whole thing isn't bonuses like some of the other deals we've seen.
FWIW on the bonus/lockout protection angle:
Draisaitl is only getting $14 million in bonuses. It's when the next lockout comes around, but the whole thing isn't bonuses like some of the other deals we've seen.
8.5AAV is tough on Draisatl. I don't think the Bruins want to get near that, and there is already chatter of them not wanting to pay Pasta more than Marchand, and Marchand makes $2m less per year than Draisatl.
This looks ominous to me. I have no faith the Bruins sign him, but if you're Pasta aren't you asking for at least $8m per year? I don't see the Bruins paying him that much more than Marchand and Bergeron. Color me pessimistic, but I am not hopeful here.
This looks ominous to me. I have no faith the Bruins sign him, but if you're Pasta aren't you asking for at least $8m per year? I don't see the Bruins paying him that much more than Marchand and Bergeron. Color me pessimistic, but I am not hopeful here.
I think they should pay him a little less than Draisatl. Maybe 500k because he doesn't play center. But if that's the market it is what it is. They still definitely should not trade him. Let him hold out if he wants to.
And by the way I'm now convinced that trade rumor came from Chiarelli. "Hey Brian, were close on Draisatl, don't quote me but I will tell you, after that dumb fuck Neely sees the number don't be surprised if the Bruins trade Pastrnak."
They've budgeted cap space for a large number like this and have publicly indicated their desire to sign him to a long-term deal. I think it gets done. The Sweeney front office is a lot of things, but they've been truthful when talking about player transactions.
Yeah, but my sense is they want him around $6m AAV and that's a fantasy that isn't going to happen. They need him on this team. He's the type of player you sign long term, and they absolutely should pay him what he wants.
But he wants more than their current top players, and someone like Neely may get in the way of that. I want to be wrong. I do. I want them to do what they say they want to, but my gut feeling is they fuck this up. Maybe I've gone full nancy, I don't know, but I have little faith when it comes to this. As they say in Star Wars, "I have a bad feeling about this".
Sweeney said back around the draft/UFA that they would like to enter the season with ~$3 million in cap space. They've got $10.1 million now, so it would seem their plan was $7+ million for Pastrnak, which puts him in Krejci's land as their top paid player by cap hit.
It's fair to be anxious until pen is put to paper, but I think they're lined up to make it work. Sweeney's best work as GM has been getting his own players under contract. They've got around a month to sort this thing out. They should make it happen. If they don't, we're truly fucked.
It's fair to be anxious until pen is put to paper, but I think they're lined up to make it work. Sweeney's best work as GM has been getting his own players under contract. They've got around a month to sort this thing out. They should make it happen. If they don't, we're truly fucked.
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Rugged @QU_MIH defenseman Connor Clifton signs AHL contract with Providence. Arizona 5th round in 2013 opted for free agency
Rugged @QU_MIH defenseman Connor Clifton signs AHL contract with Providence. Arizona 5th round in 2013 opted for free agency
Love this pickup by them. Gives them a right shot dman in providence. He plays a physical game which the Bruins organizations love and he can skate with the puck.
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http://www.bobcatshockeyblog.com/2017/08/connor-clifton-signs-contract-with-ahl.html
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That is well put. I'm nervous but I'm not hammering the Anders Bjork panic button just yet.
Puck Daddy had an interesting stat about the B's:
In 2005, they traded Joe Thornton, when he was 26.
In 2007, they traded Kris Versteeg, when he was 21.
In 2009, they traded Phil Kessel when he was 22.
In 2011, they traded Blake Wheeler, when he was 23.
In 2013, they traded Tyler Seguin, when he was 21.
In 2015, they traded Dougie Hamilton, when he was 21.
They have a recent history of trading good young players for less than their value. Admittedly, the last 5 of those are all on now-departed Chiarelli's plate, but I really hope Sweeney breaks this trend. Pastrnak is a top-20 scorer in this league and will remain so for a while. Teams NEED those assets, not to get rid of them.
In 2005, they traded Joe Thornton, when he was 26.
In 2007, they traded Kris Versteeg, when he was 21.
In 2009, they traded Phil Kessel when he was 22.
In 2011, they traded Blake Wheeler, when he was 23.
In 2013, they traded Tyler Seguin, when he was 21.
In 2015, they traded Dougie Hamilton, when he was 21.
They have a recent history of trading good young players for less than their value. Admittedly, the last 5 of those are all on now-departed Chiarelli's plate, but I really hope Sweeney breaks this trend. Pastrnak is a top-20 scorer in this league and will remain so for a while. Teams NEED those assets, not to get rid of them.
The Kessel trade was not for less than value. Subsequent moves have lessened the overall impact to the Bruins but the value they got for Kessel was amazing. Shockingly, Ryan Lambert's a dumbass and unable to figure that out.
Bruins offer to Pastrnak was 6 years, $36m, per the Herald.
I mean, I like being right, but in this instance I hate it. They are exactly where I expected them to be, and if they think they are getting him for that then they are stoned out of their minds on (now legal) weed. If I'm Pasta, I am looking for at a minimum $7.5 with the Draisaitl contract, and I just don't know if the Bruins will go there considering what they pay Bergeron, Marchand et al.
I mean, I like being right, but in this instance I hate it. They are exactly where I expected them to be, and if they think they are getting him for that then they are stoned out of their minds on (now legal) weed. If I'm Pasta, I am looking for at a minimum $7.5 with the Draisaitl contract, and I just don't know if the Bruins will go there considering what they pay Bergeron, Marchand et al.
The Wheeler trade also brought them a Cup too, so I'm not lamenting that one.
However - the trend there is still stark. They're trading players before they fully mature and play to their full potential. It's not a good look when you take a high level view of it (vs debating each one individually).
I'll be furious if they trade Pastrnak. Absolutely no reason for it to come to this as an RFA. Get it done and move on.
Versteeg doesn't belong on that list. He was traded midseason for Brandon Bochenski. Bochenski had size and was NHL ready having already gotten into games with Chicago. He went on to pot 11 goals in 30 games the rest of the season. He had the look of someone who could fill a top 6 power forward role. He overtrained and bulked up too much during the off season and never was the same. Versteeg turned out to be a good NHL player, but at the time of the trade he was probably about 160 lbs and it was definitely a minority view that he would be a long term contributor at the NHL level. He definitely benefited from going to an organization that had a system that played to his strengths and the NHL trend towards less physical play.
Wheeler arguably doesn't belong on the list either. Trade was done for 2 reasons. 1 to solidify the 3rd line for the cup run. Wheeler was too inconsistent and non-physical to be counted on in the playoffs. We all know how the playoffs ended, so this objective was certainly met. The second was that his ELC was up. They had other contracts to deal with that year and his cost for the questions his game still had was probably going to be too high.
Wheeler arguably doesn't belong on the list either. Trade was done for 2 reasons. 1 to solidify the 3rd line for the cup run. Wheeler was too inconsistent and non-physical to be counted on in the playoffs. We all know how the playoffs ended, so this objective was certainly met. The second was that his ELC was up. They had other contracts to deal with that year and his cost for the questions his game still had was probably going to be too high.
These are kind of lazy comparables to the Pastrnak situation, but I get why it gets brought up.
- Thornton was under contract. Team decided he wasn't the guy they wanted to lead the team, so they dealt him.
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- Versteeg doesn't really belong on this list. He didn't even play a game in Boston. Poor eval by the team/scouts on this.
- Kessel is probably the closed situation to 88. Coming off ELC, B's didn't want to pay him and had some cap challenges at the time. Other issues here.
- Wheeler was an in-season trade. They got Peverley, Kaberle and a cup. Wasn't contract related, though there's a case to be made they couldn't have afforded to re-sign him after that season.
- Seguin was already signed, team just decided he had to go.
- Hamilton- If you believe the Bruins, they offered a similar contract that he signed in Calgary; Dougie just didn't like it here.
To me the issue has been more in eval, development and building a relationship with these players other than contract disputes. Kessel's the closest situation to Pastrnak, but the writing was kind of on the wall with that one, and IIRC they were in more of a cap jam at the time.
How does age affect AAV in this context? Would the Bruins expect to pay more for an 8 year deal? Otherwise, 6, $36 feels like quite the lowball.
It probably goes higher since they buy UFA years.
I don't think 6/$36 million is a lowball. That was market rate. It's a reasonable number based on some other recent contracts. Then McDavid, Johansen and Draisaitl happened. They need to re-adjust to the market.
I don't think 6/$36 million is a lowball. That was market rate. It's a reasonable number based on some other recent contracts. Then McDavid, Johansen and Draisaitl happened. They need to re-adjust to the market.
Chia has never been afraid to spend! They have to go over 7/yr now. 8/60 makes the most sense. If Pasta really wants 8+, just give it to him on a 2 or 3 year deal.
In this situation (Otto?) how do NHL agents value getting to free agency vs a higher total contract but longer time period? If Bruins Pasta agreed to 8 million a year, would the Bruins or Pasta push for the 8 vs 7 yr contract.
Chiarelli didn't trade Dougie Hamilton. Sweeney/Neely did. They've already continued the trend.
As an old timer I'd add Bellows in1982, McCrimmon in 1982, Pederson in 1985, and 1991 Wesley to list of the young, uppity players who felt they were worth more and so needed to be traded. Pederson (for Neely and Wesley) worked out, and Wesley (for first rounders) maybe a draw.
Wesley had a nice career, but it definitely was not a draw:
http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2011/06/01/bruins-continue-to-reap-rewards-of-cam-neely-trade-with-vancouver-25-years-later/
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/06/06/30-years-later-cam-neely-trade-tree-continues-to-grow-thanks-to-neely-himself/
Bellows was never traded; he was never on the Bruins. Sinden decided to Kluzak the top pick in the 1982 draft, letting Bellows go to Minnesota.
Pederson's issues went beyond $$$. He had pretty major shoulder surgery in his penultimate season in Boston, and his scoring dropped off quite a bit after he returned. But, hey, that trade still keeps giving: Zboril and Frederic are still in the Bruins' system.
Well, no need to flip the first and second picks, and Boston got Brad Palmer and Dave Donnelly for not drafting him. And Bellows' ask was the reason. As Will McDonough wrote that morning:
In the past 10 years the Blackhawks have traded Byfuglien, Versteeg, Ladd, Saad, Panarin, and Leddy before they were 25. Probably a few other good players I'm forgetting too. The Bruins made some awful trades, but the salary cap means you can't keep all your good players.
Loving have Joe McDonald covering the B's on the Boston Sports Journal. He took NHL Network to task today for ranking Bergeron 11th (!!!???) in their top 20 centers right now poll.